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Bill will have a variety of plans, I am sure. So maybe we can get JG, but I am sure NE will want to see the market, field offers, let Bill bend 'em over for a bad deal, and certainly maximize what they feel his worth is. A Brady injury has to be part of this discussion for them. Bill really gets his info together; once the parameters are there in place, value set, we will see. I would like to see JG here, but probably not possible.

I also doubt that Brady has four more in the tank. Just me maybe.

Good Lord. I give up.

I think the question might be "Does Brady have two more in the tank?" Or, three?

Now ... to expound ...

Step 1 - lets see how the season plays out .. i explained that above .. if u need more of an explanation just ask ... with or w/o the sledgehammer I'll reply to ANYTHING FOOTBALL ... ... save your bs for your posse ... i have no desire to go there ...

Its a long ass season a lot could happen ... JG could suffer a season/career ending injury ... u just never know ...

But lets say that the pats decide to keep them both ... it would have to be under the reality that Brady will only play one more year .... then they work out a deal with JG that gives him a HUGE SIGNING bonus on a 5 year contract with a very small base in 18 .... that won't cost them 50 million in a cap hit in 18 and they have them both ... all I'm saying is there's OPTIONS and its not as cut and dry as most think ... just like when everyone said there was NO WAY NE KEPT HIM for this year ...

Witch by the way ... is why i brought it up ... it wasn't to show everyone I'm right and they were wrong ... there was a reason for it that wasn't anywhere near what u thought it was ....

If Brady wants to play 2 or more years ... then there going to have to let him walk cause theres no way I see Bill letting JG walk if he thinks hes a franchise guy .. NO WAY ...

Like i said .. let the season play out and lets see where we land then .. the situation could go in 10 different directions between now and then ...

I see the logic of what you two are saying, but trading Brady is risky as hell.

What happens the first time JG throws a pick? What happens the first time the Pats don't win a game? What happens if they don't win the Super Bowl?

Trading Bledsoe was one thing. Trading the guy that many consider the GOAT is another.

And again...............this is NOT about "right or wrong." It hasn't happened yet. It's speculation.

I think they have a tough ass decision to make. I have never--and still do not have a prediction--on what they will do. I have no idea. That is why it isn't about right vs wrong.

What I want to do is discuss the possible reasons why they might keep him, trade him, etc. That's an interesting conversation and it has nothing to do w/right or wrong. Unless, of course, someone says something stupid like "they both suck and it doesn't matter."

I wonder if they can trade him ... do they do no trades in the nfl contracts ... if so, i bet he has one ...

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My opinion is that if bill thinks JG is a franchise qb NO WAY he lets him go ... NO WAY ... IT MAKES NO SENSE TO KEEP THE 41 year old over the 26 year old ...

When Bill was a NOBODY he cut a c-town legend in Bernie ... im pretty sure hes not going to worry about what happens if he lets Tom go and they lose a few games because of it ... he has blinders and only focuses on what he thinks is best for his football team ...

Like i said ... it'll play out and we'll know then ...

Interesting take on the trade tabber ... another option I hadn't thought of ...

Would Jimmy Garoppolo have taken the Browns to the playoffs this year?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/07/would_jimmy_garoppolo_have_tak.html



By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Would the Browns be headed to the playoffs this year had they been able to pull off a trade for Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo?

At least one of the Garoppolo's former teammates thinks so.

"I played against him every day in practice,'' the former Pat who's still in the NFL told Mike Giardi of CSN New England. "He's all that. He can make all the throws. He can process all the information. He is a gamer. He can slow it down. He can spin it. I'm going tell you this, if he had gotten traded to Cleveland, they're a borderline playoff team. I really believe that."

It's not the like the Browns didn't try. They inquired about Garoppolo on draft weekend, a source told cleveland.com, but the asking price was too high.

The Browns had two first-round picks, but weren't believed to be willing to part with both -- and even that probably wouldn't have been enough.

Instead, the Browns drafted Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer in the second round, at No. 52 overall, and are preparing him to start this season, whether in the opener against Pittsburgh or sometime thereafter.

Kizer heads into training camp next week in a three-way battle for the starting job with Cody Kessler and Brock Osweiler. The trio does not have Vegas impressed.
The over/under for the Browns this season is 4.5 victories.


Would it have been significantly higher with Garoppolo, whom sources said Hue Jackson coveted?

Maybe so. The Browns have significantly upgraded the offensive line, they'll presumably have Corey Coleman healthy this year, they've added a stud tight end in David Njoku and plan to use Duke Johnson more in the passing game.

Would Garappolo have been the missing piece to take the Browns to the postseason in his first year as a starter? At least two AFC Scouts seem to think so.

"I know teams called about Garoppolo,'' one told CSN New England. "I don't believe they were ever given a realistic price. Why? To me, the answer is simple: Bill thinks he's got the next great one. I watched his snaps. I think he can be that. (Garoppolo) has a great base, and his mechanics are close enough to [Brady] that you appreciate his willingness to learn and the coaching he's gotten there."

Said another: "I absolutely loved the kid coming out of college. When we interviewed him, [it was obvious] he's got those qualities you want in a QB, as a leader. I begged our guys to take him at the end of the first round. That's how good I thought he was then. He's a hell of a lot better now.

"The job Bill and [offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels] have done with him, the work he clearly has put in, wrap all that up and it makes all the sense in the world to keep him. They can win with him. That's all you need to know -- in my opinion -- as to why they kept him. The moment that Brady guy starts to show cracks, the next guy is in already there, already knows the locker room, the system, the environment. I think it's genius."

In February, former Browns quarterback Josh McCown, now with the Jets, told cleveland.com that Garoppolo could carry a franchise, meaning he might agree the playoffs could've been on the radar this season.

"I saw some things in Derek Carr early on in the 2014 draft that reminded me of Aaron Rodgers and I thought 'this guy is going to be pretty good,'' McCown said. "I see the same things when I watch Jimmy: quick release, strong arm, athletic. I'm not saying he's Aaron Rodgers, but he's got some traits in the same mold, and he's got tremendous upside.''

McCown added, "I certainly see why people would give him an opportunity to come in and be a franchise guy. You can certainly see that and he's making these throws at a high level against NFL talent, so that would get me excited about him for sure.''

If the Patriots want to hang onto Garappolo -- even after signing Tom Brady to a two-year extension in March through 2019 -- they'll have to sign him to a blockbuster long-term contract with the starting point likely being the franchise number it would take to keep him each year. That number was more than $21 million in 2017 and will climb next season.

For his part, Garoppolo, a second-round pick in 2014, just wants to play after sitting behind arguably the greatest of all time for the past three seasons.

"That's the competitor in me," Garoppolo told reporters in June. "I think everyone out here wants to play. We come out here and compete every day for that opportunity and if you go out and earn it, it's yours. ... Nothing is going to be given to you, especially here."

The trading deadline is Oct. 31st, so the Browns can chase the ghost of Garoppolo again if they so choose.

Or, they can hope their own second-round quarterback makes them forget about the Patriots'.

I can understand that logic and that is what I was asking for. The only thing I will say to counter it is that Brady isn't Bledsoe or Bernie. LOL


It might happen. The 49ers got rid of Joe. The Colts dumped Johnny U.

But I don't see how anyone can argue that Brady is still perhaps the best qb in the NFL. He's certainly top 2. It's not like he's fallen off he map like Manning did.

Again, none of us knows how it will play out, but it could be an interesting conversation if we approach it right.

Good article.

I wonder if the player is Collins?

Vers, you and I and everyone else on this board knows we don't need Jimmy Garoppolo. We drafted D.K. and with our history of development at the QB position, we should finally have our franchise QB.

Nice.

Things are getting boring Vers I'm waiting for training camp.

Ah yes, Mary Kay needing that click bait.

I'll be glad when we get more news on our players, vs talking about another teams player.

Who cares what you think? LOL

Garoppolo...OMG. If he was that good, the Patriots would have sign him already to replace Brady eventually...And by the way, I saw him play last season, and couldnt find anything spectacular...

Maybe his looks and Mary Kay have convinced some here?

Diam...............this is the kind of post I was referring to when I tried to explain why some others and myself attempted to explain why he might be traded.

Does it make sense, now?

I really really really really wanted JG.

I now feel like, if NE was ever ganna trade him. They would of by now.

I remember when people laughed at me, and questioned my football knowledge, when I said that if Belichick really likes Garappolo, he will keep him, even if he has to franchise him twice.

The Pats have $23 million in cap space for next year as of right now, and they can be creating in making more if they have to.

Jimmy G. will never leave NE. Tom will get traded or retire after this season. There is nothing risky about this for NE. Old QBs get cut no matter how good they are when the younger model that has been groomed to replace them is ready. JG is ready so this is Tom's last season as a starter for NE.

BTW those articles are not saying anything new. They are all just rehashing what was said well before the draft. I know because I posted many, many of them. Just many of you felt the praise was just to help BIll drive up the value. JG is going to be another one of those rare and great QBs so there is no way Bill lets him go.

I live in Pats Territory and hear about Jimmy g. all the time on sports radio and read about him in the newspapers. I have no inside info or anything but from what I've read and heard if I had to make a bet I would say the Pats really like him and want to keep him for the future. JMO I could be wrong but that's the feel I get.

If I am the pats I trade JG for all I can get, heres my 2

1) Unless there is wink / wink.. nod/nod agreement in place where TB walks off into the sunset at years end there is no way the Pats cut the GOAT, the media / fan backlash would be too much.

2) whos to say that JG actually lasts five more years under center? We all know every player is one play away from a finished career. What if he holds the ball split second longer than TB or gets down a little later because he is not TB and gets creamed into a career ender. What if he pulls a Teddy Bridgewater who gets hurt in a non contact drill and may never play again. TB could still be in the league after JG, not likely I understand but the possibility still exists.

3) people seem to act like JG is a plug and play version of TB ... TB is the GOAT do we really think JG will just step in and be the next GOAT or even supplant TB? maybe... maybe 80% of TB three / five years from now is better than 100% of JG.

4) BB is ice cold, he is about winning if he thinks TB gives him the best chance to win even at 50 TB will be the QB. I don't think BB gives a rats ass what he leaves behind when he is done. Do we really think that as he is waling away he turns around and says " gee I wish I could have left them a HOF QB to win with, even if it meant I didn't win"?

IMO JG is traded.

GC. I read that article, from July 21, and my response is.

The Browns wouldn't be sniffing the playoffs if it weren't for better play from the offensive skilled positions. So Either, Njoku, Duke, and Britt, and the others have to actually get the job done like they've played together before, or signing Garoppollo wouldn't matter much anyway.

But, I suspect, that even if they had signed Garoppollo, the loss of an experienced guy like Barnidge, and not retaining a young energetic guy like T.Pryor, or even having some experienced contributors like Benjamin, or Hawkins, or Gabriel, from a couple of years ago;;;
would pay dividends throughout the year to stop the Browns' rebuild from achieving a point where they sniff the playoffs.
And That is not even to mention the fact the Browns have largely avoided upgrading the tailback position, either the #1, #2, or #3 spots with someone with real promise, for the last 2 and a half years.
Now I'm all for giving Duke, and Crowell their "love" but bringing someone as the 3rd guy, who isn't automatically less than or equal to the practice squad fodder they've rotated in and out for the past several seasons, is what I'm talking about.

Enough to say, " oh ya! Adding Garoppolo and the Browns are almost a playoff team!" still sounds like hogwash to me.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'll bet the Offensive Skilled position players will have to overachieve for me to see it.

As we all know and what sickens me the most, is that we could have had JG or D. Carr right now on the roster and our QB problems would probably be solved if we could keep them healthy. It's water under the bridge but every so often I can't help but think of it.

Don't forget, we could also have teamed them up with either OBJ or Mike Evans.

We don't need OBJ or Mike Evans. We have Louis, Higgins, Hall, Boyce and Wright. Out of that group we are sure to get a couple of emerging stars.

LOL....you've been a roll lately.

All they need is a QB who can read a defense and complete a 5-10 yard pass at 75% and they will score points with Crow and Duke running the ball.