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Hue discussed the safety spot in his presser with Sashi, not his opening day camp presser.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...0d-8469a67fc669

Here's the transcript so you don't have to listen to it:

On who will start at S at the beginning of training camp:
Jackson: “I think (DB) Derrick Kindred will definitely be out there. It could be a toss-up between (DB Jabrill) Peppers… It could be a lot of different people, let me put it to you like that. I say that for this reason: I think when you look at those guys and Gregg (Williams) has so many different packages that he plays in, it is not about a starter. It is not about who walks out there first. It kind of depends on who I put out there on offense first because they are going to match what we do. I think it is unfair to say, ‘Well, this guy is going to be a starter’ and then all of a sudden we are in a different package and you guys start writing and saying, ‘Well, that guy wasn’t out there first.’ I don’t think that’s the right thing to do.”
Brown: “Hue (Jackson) and his staff really have done a nice job making sure that we understand our players well and deploy them to their strengths. All five or six of the guys we have in that safety room bring different strengths to the table, and we are going to put them in situations where they can be successful and impact the game most effectively. As Hue said, you may see (DB Ed) Reynolds II out there or you may see Derrick Kindred, but that may be more situational than it should be an indictment on anyone who’s not out there with a certain lineup.”


Thanks for posting this. I didn't get the feeling that Hue is saying Kindred is the starting FS from that presser. It kinda sounds like Kindred and Peppers are battling for a safety position. And I would guess that would be SS.

Although, like Hue said.......there are going to be many different packages and pairings out there.


Are you concerned, like me, of getting caught in a sub-package with 2 poor coverage safeties when the opposing offense sees it and decides to go no huddle? Just something I was pondering on a whim after looking at this thread.


I haven't watched our defense play at all under Williams, so I can't comment on that.

I will say that I think our safeties are not good at coverage and that does concern me.

I also think our corners aren't very good.

The secondary worries me. I hope they show a lot of improvement and alleviate my concerns. It's early. We'll see.

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Browns S Ed Reynolds to miss “significant time” with knee injury

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...th-knee-injury/

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Browns S Ed Reynolds to miss “significant time” with knee injury

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...th-knee-injury/
It's not an ACL, which is a good thing. But they don't specify the injury. He could be a IR to return candidate.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Browns S Ed Reynolds to miss “significant time” with knee injury

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...th-knee-injury/
It's not an ACL, which is a good thing. But they don't specify the injury. He could be a IR to return candidate.


Kind of a cryptic response..but not being an ACL should be good news.

Maybe some news about what the actual injury is, will be reported in the future. No news about any surgeries needed either..again good news..I hope.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Browns S Ed Reynolds to miss “significant time” with knee injury

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...th-knee-injury/



I felt he was our best free roamer safety on the roster. I hate injuries so much. So much...

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Ed Reynolds was an average FS at best.

But he was by far the best(only capable) FS returning from last year.

Gregg played around 50% of single high safety with the Rams.

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Why is Peppers better suited for SS than FS? ,,,

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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Why is Peppers better suited for SS than FS? ,,,

Anyone?
I don't understand the question.

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SS. He is more of a closer to the LOS type of guy. He is a bit slow to react to play development when in coverage. His reaction time is slower than you would want w/a FS. He also struggles a bit in space.

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Peppers seems to fit the SS type (in Williams' system especially) way more than a ranging FS


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Why is Peppers better suited for SS than FS? ,,,

Anyone?


Because of his experience playing up. That's really about it. People site his issues reading coverage and reacting but it's known that many times his assignment was more of a contain with backside help than a straight zone. When that help didn't arrive he looked bad but it usually wasn't his fault. Anyways what I mean is it's not out of the question that he could play fs and I don't think his tape shows he can't, like many do, but his tape doesn't show that he could either.

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Thanks for the answer guys ... appreciate it gents ...




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Originally Posted By: predator16
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Why is Peppers better suited for SS than FS? ,,,

Anyone?


Because of his experience playing up. That's really about it. People site his issues reading coverage and reacting but it's known that many times his assignment was more of a contain with backside help than a straight zone. When that help didn't arrive he looked bad but it usually wasn't his fault. Anyways what I mean is it's not out of the question that he could play fs and I don't think his tape shows he can't, like many do, but his tape doesn't show that he could either.
The above point was made in this scouting report which was posted several times in the weeks after we drafted him.


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
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Browns S Ed Reynolds to miss “significant time” with knee injury

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...th-knee-injury/


He could be a IR to return candidate.


There is no longer an IR to return anymore. You just put him on the IR and then pull him off after a certain number of weeks (I think it was eight). Also, teams now get to bring two players off the IR instead of one.

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Reynolds injury does open the door to see what we have in Nacua.

I was pleased to see we had picked up him up as a UDFA and many scouting sites spoke pretty well of him. I know many around here are high on him as well.

Hoping he's a diamond in the rough and not just the latest Frisman Jackson/Nick Speegle/Ben Gay/etc,

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One of the tough aspects of draft evaluation is projecting aptitude based on physical skill set and not just on film.

For me Peppers was a tough evaluation because it goes back to the question: how do you know a player can do X if we haven't seen them do it on tape?

Peppers has very limited tape of playing FS maybe iirc about 200 snaps.

But, just because a prospects college scheme didn't use a player in a particular role i.e. Single Post FS doesn't mean the player can't do it.

Peppers has elite physical measurable for a DB. Elite. I say that without exaggeration.

The way he was used in college does match more closely to SS.

But IF he can learn single post FS then why should we pigeonhole him there when the DB room is filled with SS types?

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My thoughts exactly.

He has the speed for sure, but the question is does he have the instincts and coverage ability.

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Originally Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain
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Why is Peppers better suited for SS than FS? ,,,

Anyone?


Because of his experience playing up. That's really about it. People site his issues reading coverage and reacting but it's known that many times his assignment was more of a contain with backside help than a straight zone. When that help didn't arrive he looked bad but it usually wasn't his fault. Anyways what I mean is it's not out of the question that he could play fs and I don't think his tape shows he can't, like many do, but his tape doesn't show that he could either.
The above point was made in this scouting report which was posted several times in the weeks after we drafted him.


Yep I think I was the 2nd of now 3 people to have posted that. It definitely brings light to his responsibilities.

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But IF he can learn single post FS then why should we pigeonhole him there when the DB room is filled with SS types?


That's basically my thinking. While he has proving to do I would argue we don't have anyone who can even be average at fs currently. SS we have about 3 that can be close if not average

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Possibly its in his future...but right now he is taking steps and not ready to run as per the old adage learn to walk before you run... wink
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Why is Peppers better suited for SS than FS? ,,,

Anyone?


Because of his experience playing up. That's really about it. People site his issues reading coverage and reacting but it's known that many times his assignment was more of a contain with backside help than a straight zone. When that help didn't arrive he looked bad but it usually wasn't his fault. Anyways what I mean is it's not out of the question that he could play fs and I don't think his tape shows he can't, like many do, but his tape doesn't show that he could either.
The above point was made in this scouting report which was posted several times in the weeks after we drafted him.


Yep I think I was the 2nd of now 3 people to have posted that. It definitely brings light to his responsibilities.


That was a good video. However, I suggest turning the volume down and watching his clips w/simply your own eyes. Then come back and tell me about his reads and also his reactions to receivers' moves.

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I'm not sure Peppers can't be a FS. It's just the system that he was in didn't give him a chance to prove that he could.

I heard something about Williams saying that every defensive player was going to learn two jobs. I am hoping that second job would be FS for Peppers.

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Deputy, what do you see in Kai Nacua? I haven't seen him play. I know Nathan Zegura said he was one of the players that has stood out.


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Deputy, what do you see in Kai Nacua? I haven't seen him play. I know Nathan Zegura said he was one of the players that has stood out.


The kid is a flat out ball hawk.

Find ball, See ball, Get ball.


He is the player that I feel most certain about being able to play as a single high FS on the team right now.

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admittedly i've never seen Nacua play ... does someone have his measurements/numbers? is he able to close quickly? does he have the height/size?


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Thanks for the reply and highlight video. He is a player I'll try and watch closely.


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
admittedly i've never seen Nacua play ... does someone have his measurements/numbers? is he able to close quickly? does he have the height/size?


Name: Kaimana “Kai” Nacua
Position: Safety
School: Brigham Young University

Height: 6-foot-2
Weight: 211 pounds

Games played: 38
Total tackles: 165
Tackles for loss: Eight
Interceptions: 14
Passes defended: 12
Forced fumbles: One
Fumble recoveries: One

Combine / pro day
40-yard dash: 4.5 seconds
Vertical: 39 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet, seven inches
Bench press: 15 reps
Three-cone: 6.84 seconds
20-yard shuttle: 4.14 seconds
60-yard shuttle: 11.70 seconds

http://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2017/04/07/scouting-report-byu-safety-kai-nacua/ .


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This windbag thinks Peppers position will be football player ... i don't think u will be able to define his roll with traditional football position terminology ... At least i hope not ...

We shall see ....




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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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He's taller thank I thought


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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With Ed Reynolds out for an extended period with his injury, who would you want to see get reps at the free safety position?

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
With Ed Reynolds out for an extended period with his injury, who would you want to see get reps at the free safety position?



Someone who is not currently on the roster, unless that Nacua guy can play. I can't comment on him because I don't remember him from his college games and I didn't research him.

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
With Ed Reynolds out for an extended period with his injury, who would you want to see get reps at the free safety position?


McCourty...I stated previously that usually my request for position change doesn't come to fruition. But I see the Staff now mentioning McCourty taking reps there..which for me is very satisfying.

He has the experience and intelligence to make the Coverage calls usually reserved for the FS.

He has ball hawking skills and with his eyes on the QB and not manning up on a WR I think will have positive results especially if we get a mad Pass Rush this year.

His Run support I'm not that sure of. But if you have to rely on your FS on make or break for D on the Run...you are up chips creek anyways!

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
With Ed Reynolds out for an extended period with his injury, who would you want to see get reps at the free safety position?



Haden.

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Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
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With Ed Reynolds out for an extended period with his injury, who would you want to see get reps at the free safety position?



Haden.
we'll see if this transpires, even a little bit


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: edromeo
With Ed Reynolds out for an extended period with his injury, who would you want to see get reps at the free safety position?


Kai Nacua


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I remember (I think) when Pryor came out of Louisville he was listed as a FS ... I didn't follow his career with NYJ at all, but clearly he became a box/SS ... and not a good one obviously


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
Originally Posted By: edromeo
With Ed Reynolds out for an extended period with his injury, who would you want to see get reps at the free safety position?



Haden.


He cannot stay healthy at CB, so how is he going to stay healthy when he has to hit more often?


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I'm wondering if there's any chance we see Boddy-Calhoun at safety. Not sure about the tackling, but he has some ball skills.


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I'm wondering if there's any chance we see Boddy-Calhoun at safety. Not sure about the tackling, but he has some ball skills.


Gregg asked everyone on defense to learn two positions, so I bet he's already taken some reps there that went unnoticed, but I bet he'll be corner all the way when the 53 man gets set.

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