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Just cut/end any relations with the guy, and let Gordon be somebody else's problem
He isn't anyone's problem. He isn't a problem, issue, distraction, or a factor in anything. He's a non-entity that isn't in the league. We merely own his rights & contract at this point, but it pretty much looks like that will never play out to completion. He doesn't count toward anything - not the roster, nor the salary cap. He doesn't count, period. Basically, it isn't worth the ink or effort to file the paperwork to release him, and it doesn't hurt or impact us in any way to not do so. There is literally no point in even giving it any thought. I don't think its that simple, and that the shadow of Gordon returning has conditioned the WR's decisions... That's the only reason I find for not having drafted/signed a prototypical #1 WR since the problems with Gordon started.
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Just cut/end any relations with the guy, and let Gordon be somebody else's problem
He isn't anyone's problem. He isn't a problem, issue, distraction, or a factor in anything. He's a non-entity that isn't in the league. We merely own his rights & contract at this point, but it pretty much looks like that will never play out to completion. He doesn't count toward anything - not the roster, nor the salary cap. He doesn't count, period. Basically, it isn't worth the ink or effort to file the paperwork to release him, and it doesn't hurt or impact us in any way to not do so. There is literally no point in even giving it any thought. I don't think its that simple, and that the shadow of Gordon returning has conditioned the WR's decisions... That's the only reason I find for not having drafted/signed a prototypical #1 WR since the problems with Gordon started. I don't think that's remotely true. Simplest reason is that it doesn't matter how deep we are at WR, there is no #6 WR that Gordon wouldn't be able to supplant.... and there is no #6 WR that we'd be heartbroken to lose to an upgrade in talent. Based on that alone, I cannot for a second believe that it has affected those decisions. The far more likely reason is simply that we drafted what... three or four WR's last year as well as a few TE's between last year and this one? We're growing guys into the positions, and I believe that we're expecting the combination of Britt & Coleman to cover that "#1 WR" role. Sure, having a guy with Gordon's type of talent back would be great, but it is also highly unlikely and cannot be counted on or planned around. IF it happens, then it is a bonus, and I fully believe this FO is intelligent enough to have looked at it that way.
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Not sure anyone is really considering JG these days. Bonified loser material. A quote from Sashi "But at the NFL Combine in March, Browns head of football operations Sashi Brown left the door open a crack for Gordon's possible return. "Josh, assuming that he'd play at the level we started to see glimpses of last preseason, and certainly when he was in the league before, would be a talent I think no team in the NFL would turn down if he got back in," said Brown. "We're not in a position at wide receiver to turn down a guy like Josh if we feel like he's settled himself.'' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index I think this is the smart way to handle it .. 100% .. The more i see what he's doing and the more he talks ... the more i think we have a chance ... i was not high on him when we hired him ... His actions more than anything but also what he says .... i am starting to believe i was WRONG about him ... He stil has more to prove and there has been a few inconsistencies .. but these guys are starting to grow on me ...  I think the way there handling this is 100% the correct thing to do at this point ... Good job men ... KEEP IT UP ... I'm sure mac will be along soon to tell my how wrong i am .. *LOL* ..
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He can apply for reinstatement in Sept. and has a strong chance to be given another opportunity. The bad for Gordon is that Marijuana use is about to become a bargaining chip for the CBA.
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He can apply for reinstatement in Sept. and has a strong chance to be given another opportunity. The bad for Gordon is that Marijuana use is about to become a bargaining chip for the CBA. yeah, marijuana will be a big bargaining chip ... that's why the owners havent budged on it yet
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I'm sure mac will be along soon to tell my how wrong i am .. *LOL* .
A couple of weeks after Sashi failed to sign Pryor, allowing him to sign with the Redskins, Sashi made a comment concerning the reinstatement of Gordon and the Browns situation at WR...Sashi said that the Browns were not in a position to turn down a guy like Gordon.
I had to grin at Sashi's comment because it was Sashi and Haslam who created the Browns WR situation that virtually forces them to give Gordon another shot. It's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot, then complaining that your foot hurts and you don't know why it hurts.
My position on Gordon returning from suspension...if he is going to play in the NFL, it should be with the Browns.
The Browns are the team that has been hurt by Gordon's suspensions and as long as Gordon is under contract with the Browns, the Browns should reap any benefit that might come from his return. If the Browns were to cut Gordon, there would be a bunch of NFL teams trying to sign Gordon, willing to give him a shot at renewing his NFL career.
The Browns have nothing to lose by doing all they can to help Gordon become the WR he once was.
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LOL.........you're something else, mac.
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It's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot, then complaining that your foot hurts and you don't know why it hurts. Remember it was someone on this board who said, " It's not like we shoot ourselves in the foot now and then; we unload the clip, reload, and start on the other foot."  Ah, ya gotta love being a Browns fan!
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General Reply. Jordan Leslie, vs Jordan Payton. Jordan Leslie has been on 3 teams offseason rosters and failed to make a team, between August and January, and really looked the part in pre-season game 1. Would you as any given Dawgtalker advocate giving him a roster spot ahead of Jordan Payton.? Jordan Payton was a mid rounds draft pick who made the team last sesason but saw little playing time and almost no production. He was However, on the team during the season, meaning he's actually made a team. Would you as any given Dawglalker advocate giving him a roster spot ahead of Jordan Leslie.? I guess I'm for whomever makes the most "real" catches and shows abilities like, getting open, blocking, having hands, knowing what to do, and speed, and actually making plays too. If there were only One spot. Today I'm leaning toward Jordan Leslie, because what do we have to lose; Payton has shown No reason why anybody would miss him, yet!
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I'm thinking;
WR; 5-6
Coleman
Britt
Louis
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Payton
Leslie, Hall, Mullaney, Boyce, other?
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I'm thinking;
WR; 5-6
Coleman
Britt
Louis
Higgins
Payton
Leslie, Hall, Mullaney, Boyce, other? I'm not sure Higgins/Payton both have a spot locked up, especially with the emergence of Leslie, Hall, and Mullaney .. itll be interesting
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Payton is a lock.
The only drafted WR who may get demoted is Hollywood Higgins. I don't think he's standing out enough.
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A question. When people make statements like this.........is it their opinion or do you have some sort of inside information?
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I'm thinking;
WR; 5-6
Coleman
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Payton
Leslie, Hall, Mullaney, Boyce, other? I'm not sure Higgins/Payton both have a spot locked up, especially with the emergence of Leslie, Hall, and Mullaney .. itll be interesting Louis and Higgins have been with the 2's since OTA's and Payton has been getting some reps there of late too. So it's just an educated guess, but one that I feel has a high probability.
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I think you better add Duke into your WR calculations. I have a feeling we'll see him more than everyone under Coleman and Brit. That probably means we free up a spot for the line, RB or a TE.
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A question. When people make statements like this.........is it their opinion or do you have some sort of inside information? Without a 53 man roster being released, it's all opinion.
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Give a pressie route runner like Mullaney !
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I'm thinking;
WR; 5-6
Coleman
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Payton
Leslie, Hall, Mullaney, Boyce, other? I'm not sure Higgins/Payton both have a spot locked up, especially with the emergence of Leslie, Hall, and Mullaney .. itll be interesting After Louis, I see those other guys as all being in the same boat. I think we keep 5 total. Two guys make the team and two guys go to the PS. The separation between them seems minimal.
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with Duke and Devalve as basically WRs, 5 might be the number
Coleman
Britt
Louis
Payton
Leslie
Hall, Mullaney, Higgins possibly on PS?
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I'm thinking;
WR; 5-6
Coleman
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Higgins
Payton
Leslie, Hall, Mullaney, Boyce, other? I'm not sure Higgins/Payton both have a spot locked up, especially with the emergence of Leslie, Hall, and Mullaney .. itll be interesting After Louis, I see those other guys as all being in the same boat. I think we keep 5 total. Two guys make the team and two guys go to the PS. The separation between them seems minimal. Thats how I see it shaking out. We Have Johnson and the TE's who will be involved in many 2 TE packages. Thats why I leaning toward us keeping 4 TE's, because if Telfer was to be lost to injury, then we would have Devalve and Njoku that would have to play inline. Holtz can play there so I put his chance at making the 53, pretty high. I don't think that Njoku will be ready to play inline most of the time, perhaps in the future. Even McNamara has had a good camp. I hope that we can get him on the PS.
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with Duke and Devalve as basically WRs, 5 might be the number
Coleman
Britt
Louis
Payton
Leslie
Hall, Mullaney, Higgins possibly on PS? I don't think that Higgins is in jeopardy off being of that list. He is the best route runner of all the sophomores and has good hands too.
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I'm thinking;
WR; 5-6
Coleman
Britt
Louis
Higgins
Payton
Leslie, Hall, Mullaney, Boyce, other? If you go by putting the best 11 players on the field. I think others have gotten to this, but Pretty Sure we're going to have to include Duke Johnson in the discussion, and open a spot for one of the 4 Rb's not named Crowell, Duke, or Vitale. It would be nice to keep 4 tight ends, but Rannel Hall is easier to cut than keep if he's going to look like pre-season game #1, Plus I don't think he's the bigger threat as an athelete, (blocking/or playmaking). I agree 6, ish Kenny Britt, Corey Coleman, Ricardo Louis, ----- ------ ------seems to be in the plans, and Duke Johnson, ----- ------ ------to count against the wideout spots. (open spot)---( Rashard Higgans, or ?) ( open spot)---(Jordan Leslie, or ?) (Jabrill Peppers,------ ------ ----- in spotwork) Given that Duke, was talked as still the #2 RB, that's technically only 5 Wr's, but 7 decent options.
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I think you have to include Payton in that group. I just read where Hue was asked if Payton has moved up in the WR group and Hue said probably that he has good alot of good things.
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I believe that we will keep 2 RB, plus Duke, however he is classified .... 6 WR, 1 FB, and 3 TE. Along with 9 OL and 3 QB, this gives us 25 on offense. That will allow us to keep 3 specialists, and 25 on defense. (probably 8-9 DL, 10 DB, and 5-6 LB)
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I say we keep 6, bc chances are Coleman won't last a full 16.
Britt
Coleman
Louis
Higgins
Payton
Unsure of who would be 6, but I think it would be to our benefit to keep Alford to help with special teams. Dude is a beast.
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I think that Hall might have been one of the WR we kept last year if not for his being injured. I think that he could well make it this year.
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I believe that we will keep 2 RB, plus Duke, however he is classified .... 6 WR, 1 FB, and 3 TE. Along with 9 OL and 3 QB, this gives us 25 on offense. That will allow us to keep 3 specialists, and 25 on defense. (probably 8-9 DL, 10 DB, and 5-6 LB) We're basically in agreement except for if the next Runningback, (Terrance Mcgee/Brandon Wilds currently) or if the next Wr, (Rannell Hall/Jordan Payton/Mario Aford currently), is going make the Browns a better football team by staying. Which is harder to replace? Maybe we'll find another teams waived, or practice squad player.
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I think that if the Steelers cut Justin Hunter, the Browns should bring him in. He's pretty impressive.
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I think that if the Steelers cut Justin Hunter, the Browns should bring him in. He's pretty impressive. He looks the part (and always has) .. but I'm not sure if he'll ever be able to put it together. I thought he'd be a stud in TEN
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Does anyone know Britt's salary implications? What's he guaranteed? What would his dead money be?
Is it possible that we cut him? Maybe we just deem it more important to keep younger guys. It's not like he looks to be a major factor ... or like he's interested in being one
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Britt is in no way getting cut. I don't know what you all are watching but he is not playing bad in his short stints out there. Coleman is the real deal hopefully he stays healthy. Out of the rest I really like Hall a lot.
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worst in the NFL .. I've said it since last season, but I'd take any other team's skill guys. MAYBE not Jets, Niners .. MAYBE
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Tru dat. Overall, the offense is not good.
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Did you expect anything different? Until we start having real appreciation for WR's and stop thinking finding good Wr's is easy, our receiver group will be bad.
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I think judging the receivers is an incomplete till we get more consistent QB play. Not saying we have any great shakes but we need to see the ball getting out there and more accurately and I don't even mean deep. Jerry Rice out there wouldn't have made a difference to some of the passes ...it's like blaming your garage for bad parking. It might leak but that's not the immediate issue...
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Our front office's ability to judge WR talent is going to be on full display this season. These are the WRs they wanted in free agency and in the draft of 2016.
Time for the 4 wr drafted in 2016 to produce and the free agency wrs will need to step up and prove their worth...
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There is truth in that. Then again, there is truth in that the receivers are so bad that it is hard to accurately gauge the QBs. Gonna be a fun year on offense. 
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The tried and tested Ray Farmer mantra. Dwayne Bowe's a free agent, isn't he?
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