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LOL..........the WRs are so bad that I didn't even list them under Weaknesses. It's just a "given" that they suck.

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I think Brock starts Week 1 but I don't know how long that will last. He played poorly last night. Inaccurate. A batted ball. I think he only played a couple of series because (1) the dress rehearsal is Saturday and (2) Hue knows Kizer needs more seasoning.

Kizer looks the part at times but holds the ball too long and has a propensity to fall further back from the line of scrimmage after the snap. Even after 7-step drops if felt like he kept going back. That makes throwing the ball very difficult, obviously, and he needs to work on that.

Duke should never be our in-between the tackles RB but I like his ability everywhere else. I'm interested to see Dayes continue to improve. I think the kid has a chip on his shoulder for being drafted so late.

Love the potential of the defense. Fast. Swarming. Relentless. The McCourty strip was a good example of finishing better than the other player. We'll need the defense to provide a ton of turnovers this season. Peppers was great. I like our d-line for the most part, although the Giants running attack isn't anything to write home about, I thought we did alright. Myles Garret may not always make THE play, but he forces teams to account for him. I can't wait to watch him this season.

Schobert played well. Nassib too.

Zeiter needs to to better. Greco didn't look 100%, but I got to give the guy credit, he came back earlier than may thought he would.

This will sound insensitive but did anyone else think OBJ was a bit theatric in his "injury"?

Looking forward to Saturday night!

a bit, but I just took it as being mad that he took that sort of shot in a preseason game when none of it matters; he also may not have realized that it wasn't a deliberate cheap shot.

Yeah, it's been mandated by the league, when tackling a runner or receiver, don't go high. Avoid the upper torso at all costs. He did.

The league also doesn't want DBs hitting guys high because of the head-to-head injury potential.

DBs are in a very tough spot.

Favorite play of the game: screen pass to Vitale; think Kizer's touch on screen passes is great and will be a big part of his game.

Yet had he scored he would have bounced around like it WAS a game with meaning. It's pretty much a game with meaning for guys fighting for jobs. You can't ask one guy to temper his aggression when OBJ would have stuck it in his face had he beat him.

Start kizer week one.

I thought to myself...what a drama queen, put a skirt on him.

i found it interesting that Hue said "No, they're open" when someone asked about WRs not getting receptions. That's all we need to know. He knows all of our QBs are crap.

Our offense is concerning, while our defense is playing good preseason ball.

well coleman was getting open, but where was higgins and them other dudes at?

I really don't know the answer to who is and who isn't open. I do know that Brock was wildly inaccurate 95% of the time and Kizer was wildly inaccurate 50% ... or so it seems

Favorite play of the game was Peppers smack on Marshall near the sideline...I think Marshall got hurt on that play...Peppers hits hard

I don't think OBJ was hurt at all. I think he was mad he took the shot in preseason. It appeared as soon as he knew the cameras were on him he started to act hurt. I doubt he was hurt at all. Diva to the second power.

Until fans stop appreciating flashy hits and start rewarding safe tacking,this kind of stuff will happen.

This wasn't a tackle,it was a hit. Bad fundamentals on the DB, nothing good about this one ,IMHO

Also very sad to see fans that enjoy plays who can easily end the career of a player.

I think it's the right move, but we won't do it because we have the Steelers. If it were anybody else, we'd probably start Kizer.

From what I've seen from Brock, he hasn't changed since last year. He's afraid to go downfield and can't move the ball. Why start him week 1?

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coaches should PROTECT Duke by leaving him in the slot - he doesn't belong at RB up the middle. I like him a lot, but let Dayes do that as you said, or Duke will be injured half the year.

If you watch any of the training camp videos, they are being taught to tackle this way. Taking out the guys legs is an effective way to bring a larger guy down.

Our D is looking good although we need our young guys to still develop. Our O is another matter. The QB and WR's positions are unsettled obviously. I think our O-line is good with solid depth if we stay healthy there. I feel we are good at RB and are o.k. at TE with further development of those players. With our QB position not settled our O will take longer to gel and will be a work in progress.

I was worried about FS and MLB (and still am to a degree), but I'm more worried about Haden now than ever before

One more thought. With Calhoun and Peppers in the secondary, WRs are going to know that the hit is coming. I love that type of intimidation.

That is true. I also think Taylor has shown the propensity to hit too

Made it to about the 4th quarter. Couldn't take it. Preseason football is horrible.

Can I first drop a giant LOL on ESPN for having a collective stroke because of a legal hit on Odell Beckham? If that was one of our receivers, I don't think that's a talking point, that even as I type this, is being regurgitated on ESPN.

As far as the actual game...

I'm trying really hard not to get caught up in what I see in the preseason. It's not real football. Coaches are holding back schemes on both sides of the ball. It's not the same.

The one thing I will say, is that Deshone Kizer has handled his reps better than the other two have. He has a lot of learning to do, but you can see the potential in him. I think they really did a nice job of drafting this kid, because he fits the mold of what you want your QB to look like, and what you want him to be able to do. 6"4" and 230+, he's got a pretty big frame on him, and you can see the big difference in arm strength from him to Kessler. I really think a few years under Hue (hopefully we don't fire him) and I think he can develop. A lot of argument about sitting/starting him. I don't think you can put a huge blanket on the issue. Some guys don't need to sit and can come in right away. Some guys require time. I think we can bury the 2-3 year sitting plan that for some reason people think is still a thing. If Kizer needs to sit, a half season to a full season is about all he needs. In today's NFL, the QB needs to be out there, learning. Anything else and you are probably just wasting time. Development on the job is how it goes.

I would not be surprised if Hue names Kizer the starter tomorrow. I think that move also buys him more time. You already know you're losing games with Osweiler, why not lose games while developing a young QB with promise.

Brock Osweiler as we all already knew, isn't a starter in the NFL. Cody Kessler isn't either with his arm strength. You can't survive in the AFCN with his arm. It sucks, because I think he has it upstairs, but he's just so limited.

I really think Duke Johnson is going to be a guy that breaks out this year. He's just too talented, and I think we may have something with him and the Crow.

Myles Garrett looks like a load to deal with. We'll see when it's for real against Pittsburgh, but he is going to draw quite a few double teams. You would think when Shelton is back healthy and it his best, with him and Garrett drawing doubles, that other guys should really take advantage, especially in a Greg Williams style scheme. That's where getting a guy like Peppers, even as a nickel can be valuable because of QB's having to get rid of the ball too early/deflected throws, and all the other chaos that happens when a QB isn't comfortable. You have a legitimate threat for someone to return the ball for a touchdown.

Peppers is talented. I never liked him as a corner, but they will have all kinds of areas where he can be a nightmare.

I'm worried about Joe Haden. I just wonder if he's going to ever be as good as he was his first few seasons. Tall order in week 1 as well.

I can't wait to get this last preseason game over with. I don't count the Chicago game because nobody will be playing in that game, and with Ohio State playing the same night, nobody will be watching either. I really can't stand preseason football.

Unfortunately no. I and others have been saying this for several years.

OBJ is one of the biggest stars in the league. No one even knows our wide receivers names.

Shouldn't Beckham have gotten a flag for unsportsmanlike conduct when he took his helmet off when on the playing field ?

Hmmmmm.....I believe so??

Yes...he also through the ball across the field before removing his helmet.

BSPN and cover of our game was really biased and lame. The OBJ "meltdown" when they kept going back with breathless coverage and left the game on the field stunk. Anybody else injured get that? How about Browns are 2-0 after 1-15?

GRuden was entertaining. The other guy dredging up last year, number of QB's, losses in division, and all the other snarky biased comments did not cover the game in front of them and reflect a hard-core bias against the franchise. We screwed plenty of pooches admittedly. How about fair treatment today for a change? Proof here that "Critics are legless men who teach running" is true for ESPN especially and with no good reason.

Just win, baby and shut the moronic "insights" and "anal(yses)" of the haters down. Command respect.

yeah, he should have had two penalties

Since ESPN is being brought up - I just want to say that I'm GLAD that we don't have any more Monday Night games, and I hope we never have another.

That was a painfully horrible telecast to watch and they have effectively ruined what used to be a great part of the football week.

I would seriously rather have watched/listened to Spero Dedes and Rich Gannon.

J/C,
Justin Currie in 22 snaps had
3 tackles, 1 assist (4 combined).
And looked good in coverage, even if his guy made the catch, he did not allow for any YAC.

I hope his ankle won't keep him out too long.

j/c

i also just realized that we'll kinda be on hard knocks next week!

You bite your tongue!

He was waived (with injury designation) today and the number he wore, #36, was assigned to Christian Bryant, newly signed DB.

MNF has been horrible for years. They get shafted with horrible matchups, the commentating crew has been horrible for over a decade, and they constantly shoe-horn in their own network garbage during some of these broadcasts.

I just wish I understood the thought process when these schedulers decide the monday night games. The Sunday night broadcasts get way better matchups, and that's even before the flex options. You see a lot of the big market/crappy teams on Monday nights. The Jets, the Bears, etc.. get national games regardless of how good or bad they have been the last few years.