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All those QBs mentioned also had fairly well established teams around them when they were plugged in. I've yet to see a QB flourish from Day 1, when the guys around them were comparable to Isiah Crowell and Ricardo Lewis. Let alone, 21 years of age.

Good post. DK is only 21 with not much talent around him. He really started with a lot of learning to do and not a lot of talent around him to help. He's behind the 8 ball no doubt.

Outside of the dline, what position group is significantly more talented than they were 2 yrs ago? Just Where is this 10x more talent of which you speak?

Take your pick...

QB, WR, TE, LB, S, K...

You do realize that both Hoyer and McCown are playing better than any QB on our roster right now.

That's not what's in question...

McCown and Hoyer are much less talented than Kizer. In fact, I've read posts on here from some who think Kizer is the most talented QB we've had since 1999.

amazing how that not much talent looks like actual talent when hogan is in. That can't be coincidence right?

Physical talent yes! But QB IQ oooohhh hail NOOOOOOO

He is very promising! Lets give him 4 more years and lock him up with a multi million $ package!!

When a different QB was behind center...

[quote=devicedawg]Take your pick...


Every one of those groups was more productive 2yrs ago. Potential doesn't mean squat if the player doesn't perform.

That was kinda the point.

As much as Kizer has played like poo-poo (the technical term), I'm still in his corner. But he has a loooooong way to go.

Haha it went over my head there. I;m a Browns fan, I'm allotted moments like these LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHA! Were we better two years ago because we had better coaching or better players? Why were we more productive two years ago? That is the million dollar question...

This was sarcasm in case you didn't figure that out!

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And dont forget year 1 was tearing down and stockpiling picks ...

Let me ask u guys this ...

When a new fo comes in and completely tears it down ... how much more talented do you expect the team to be 5 games into year 2? .... what should our expectations be as far as talent level on the team goes?

The Browns currently hold the NFL record for worst consecutive 21 game streak ever. 1-20.

No team in the history of the NFL has ever lost 20 out of 21 games.

And the streak isn’t necessarily over yet.

The once dominate Cleveland Browns.

Reduced to the worst team ever - not just this year - but the worst team of all time and it’s happening right now.

And not just suddenly - after 9 consecutive losing seasons.

There is a clear-cut answer.

I’m not sure why, but it’s obviously the team ownership.

As a miserable expansion team staffed with cast-off garbage players and rookies, the Browns won 2 out of 16 games in 1999. We all thought a Super Bowl was inevitable. Reasonably within 5 years.

I’m sorry, what was the question?

What do you mean, AHA! You said we have 10x the talent on our current team without a shred of proof to back up that statement.

10x better?

I just don't think Kizer has what it takes upstairs to be an NFL QB.

The kid just doesn't have it. I think we are all fooling ourselves if we think otherwise.

My original post on Kizer...

Probably be out in 2-3 years with all due respect!!

I think part of the issue is that people see other teams make these miraculous turnarounds and ask, "Why not us?". Those turnarounds are not the norm, but it seems like you hear about them around the league all the time.

Man we really gave away that game. I mean fans every week will tell you, when their team loses, that they gave away the game, but we literally giftwrapped this team a win.

I didn't see a second of the game either, I listened on my way home from Ohio. I listened to Donovan and Dieken call the game. I saw some highlights afterward, but it didn't take eyes to know that Kizer's decision making has got to improve.

And I'm really tired of this defense folding at the worst times. Hue going for it instead of kicking the field goal to tie? I'm all good with that call. You're 0-4 and this isn't the super bowl. The play call? You can debate that all day, but I am totally fine with the call. Even after failing, you have them backed up by their own end zone.



That's embarrassing. To Josh McCown, the same clown who stole a bunch of money from you, and won almost zero games in a few seasons.

I saw a lot on social media bout Hue Jackson "ruining" DeShone Kizer by benching him. Are we serious? If you're "ruined" because you got benched in the NFL, then you were never anything to begin with. What I'm upset about is that the mistakes he made are things we knew we were going to have to live with. We knew ahead of time this was going to happen.

But, Hue Jackson is feeling the pressure, because he has to win games, because the skids are being greased to run the next guy out of town.

This is ridiculous. We're never going anywhere if we don't stick with the plan.

I saw where he said the wind took the second kick. I was at the game and at that end of the stadium, there was no wind at all all day.

Kizer is getting worse. He's holding the ball too long and has little if any trust in his receivers. Take him out until the game slows down.

As for Hogan, he might not be a really good QB, but he does one of the best play action fakes I've ever seen. They should have taken advantage of that at the goal line instead of running Crow straight ahead.

He's like a golfer who's always pulling his shot: his leg is coming through the impact area too fast and thus has a slight hook. He'll clean that up with experience.
That's all JMHO by the way.

That makes sense. When he was practicing at halftime, all his kicks were wobbling and low. Good enough to get thru, but straining to do so.

[quote=Steubenvillian]Kizer is not ready to start.

Njoku, is going to be a star.

They better sign a kicker this week, if not already.

Should have kicked the field goal and tied the game. Momentum was with us at that point. After they fell short, the defense gave up two huge plays, the momentum was lost.q

The offense changed radically when Hogan came in. The routes were shorter and quicker, and it seemed that he can run the offense better and the offense was opened up somewhat more.

When Kizer was in the routes were noticeably longer, and many time all to the same side of the field. When Hogan was in, it was vastly different.

This game was lost on two INTs in the redzone, and a fumble, and topped off with two missed field goals. Kicker and QB get my blame.

Being at the game let me see things that I've been missing watching on TV

According to this article it was still 10-7. Vers liked your post, though.


"CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns had an opportunity to tie up the Jets in the fourth quarter on Sunday afternoon. Instead, coach Hue Jackson decided to play aggressively and go for it on fourth-and-2 from the Jets' 4-yard line.

Trailing 10-7 in the fourth quarter with 13:03 to go, the Browns had put together an 11-play, 81-yard drive to put themselves in position to at least tie the game...."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/hue_jackson_put_faith_in_his_r.html

How dare he?

You have issues, Mr. Mod.

1976/1977 Tampa Bay Buccaneers... 26 losses in a row! That’s a streak. Browns had a win toward the end of the year last year that broke the losing streak. Browns are a horrible dumpster fire but saying it is unprecedented isn’t true. Lions had 19 straight losses a few years back. Not sure what that number would look like if you start adding 1 or 2 wins here or there if they went 1-22 or something like that. There have been several teams about this bad. Browns are gonna lose a lot more this year though. They weren’t designed to win this year or last year.

J/C

I would like to know these questions:

1. Why is BBC playing behind Taylor?? Is it me, or is every big play we give up Taylor missing coverage completely or getting burnt??

2. Why did it take you 5 games to play Peppers more up to the LOS? He is an athlete and needs the freedom to roam and make plays. Playing him 40 yards off the ball was just bad game planning.

3. Why has Kasen Williams not been given more time? We know what Louis and Higgins are, as well as Britt. Its time we start seeing what these other guys have. Coates I know has been hurt, but I want to see him too. My top 4 WR would be Williams, Higgens, Treggs, and Coates - in no particular order. The rest I have seen enough of.

4. Why do we not get Njoku into the gameplan more? Same with Delvalve. Going off the above, I might even run Njoku and Delvalve and Duke as my 3 WR. lol

5. Crowell looked better sunday, but I still think it is evident that Duke is the better all around back, and needs the majority of touches. I have seen enough of Crow to know that he is not a starting RB.

6. AND THE BIGGEST QUESTION - If Britt is worth the 8 million we are paying him, why the heck was Haden not worth the 11 we were paying him?

I think Zane will be fine, lets not get crazy about cutting him. You all wanted Parkey cut after his 1st game when he missed 3 and then you all yelling we didn't keep him. lol

which is it? give the kid some time, he will be fine. He was the best K in college last year, the NFL is not much different when it comes to kicking. He had a couple bad kicks, no big deal.

j\c The FO is god awful the coaching is god awful Kizer the loser college QB. has played god awful, but what do I know.....maybe that might answer a few of your questions.

All I saw was a few minutes in the 1st qtr ...an option lateral fumble just few yards from a TD. That was all I needed to see. I was really down at that point and just couldn't take watching us blow up again. I turned it off and spent the day doing chores.

Seems to me Kiser blew the game right then and there and never really got over it. Smart to make him sit in the second half to think about taking care of the ball. I expect Hue to give him another shot. But we'll see.

That fumble was all on CROW, I don't know how anyone could put that on kizer, it hit crow in stride right in the hands.

I think Kizer does enough to give him his criticism but that was not on him.

I disagree. The play should not have been called to begin with. Kiser should have tucked it ran it. Poor coaching decision and a rookie mistake of tossing the ball away that close to the EZ. What veteran QB does that anyway? But yeah Crow dropped a poorly tossed shovel/lateral/whatever. That was it for me, game over.

Was it kizer that called the play? And even if it was a the wrong read to pitch it, the fumble still goes to crow, it him directly in his hands, no excuse for that.