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Mr. Kizer is no longer the man for now ...

DeShone Kizer - QB - Browns

Browns coach Hue Jackson thinks benching DeShone Kizer "will benefit" the young quarterback.

"If that is the decision that we make," Jackson said before clearly showing he has already made his decision. "I think it will benefit him tremendously because he would get a chance to get a breather and take a look at it from a different lens and not from that pressure." It is not official, but it certainly sounds like Kevin Hogan will get the start this week.

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal Oct 10 - 10:32 AM

Nice post!

And moronic radio jocks like Rizzo, Grossi, Hammer, Brinda, et al get everyone all whipped up with their frenzied rhetoric. It's sickening. I've had stop listening. None of them has an ounce of credibility. The same experts who pimped you Johnny Manziel.

ESPNCleveland is the worst...when they actually talk sports, that is. Usually they don't.

So bad.

Hue said that Kizer would be a tremendous QB in the NFL. That's not going to happen! He also said that we should trust in him on the ability of Kessler. He personally endorsed him to be an NFL starter because of his tremendous skills. Hue says what ever he needs to say to get through the day. He is trying to learn on the job. He is now telling people that he knows exactly what we have in Hogan and knew all along. What? With Hogan we could have 3-4 wins if he started the season. Now with Hogan, I actually think we can win games now. But it we won't start against the Texans because of Watson. Go Browns!

I'm surprised that with your great ability to see into the future of NFL players that you're not an NFL GM rather than just another poster on a message board. lmao

Another good post.

I'm telling your bro, the number of nauseating posts on here are at all-time high.

I read comments like "this loss is all on Hue," "Hue is ruining Kizer," "Hue's play calling sucks," "Kizer should start," followed by "Kizer will never be a good qb," "Hogan can't be a good qb," "we have a lot of talent," etc, etc.

We are in the early stages of year two of a massive tear-down. People were okay w/blowing things up and are now freaking out and needlessly assigning blame way too soon.

When the plan was first implemented, I said that the tremendous amount of losses would be a problem for all involved and people acted like I was being negative. LOL 21 games in and the blame game is in full swing. Gee, I wonder why???????

I didn't like the plan, but now that we adopted it.......I say stick to it and absolutely do NOT fire anyone else for at least this year and next.

I know that is a pipe dream, though. Hue will be almost certainly be sacrificed by and all those "positive posters" are/will be leading the charge.

Mr Kiser reminds me of Brandon Weeden,big arm and no talent.

I think Kizer is much more cerebral than Weeden.

I am not sold on Kizer. Never was. But, I think he has a chance. On the other hand, I never thought Weeden would be good and I was called clueless by a ton of posters for that opinion.

QWell, I've seen your posts and about 65% of them belong in La La Land!!!! LOL

Its been widely stated that Kessler WAS a Hue pick, remember, the whole trust me deal? yeah. and kessler isn't starting this year because he blows and last year he blew, and in training camp and preseason etc. Thats why he wasn't starting, beside, Hue had a new toy in Kizer. I think if you go back, you won't find JT saying anything different about Hue than the 3000 other coaches we've had. Most professional players aren't going to say anything bad about a coach. If you can remember back in 2011, Hue had his share of follies as well with Oakland. While our predicament isn't 100% Hue, he's had quite the hand in it. He deserves criticism as well as the FO. I've said before, if I was to give anyone a Pass it would be coaching. the FO however i think need replaced, and before they are allowed to make another pick

Based on what? The 21 games their first draft class has played? Or the five games their second class has played? Absolutely ridiculous.

Grossi, is that you?

That notion is somehow eluding people.

The one thing I haven't heard any of you mention is how well those drives looked last week. Yes, the short FG was missed and Kizer botched things up in the red zone both times.

But we were in scoring position three times. I don't really count the long FG that was missed because those don't have good odds of success anyway. And while I don't oppose starting Hogan, everybody refuses to see that while they didn't end in scores, moving the ball down the field didn't seem to be a problem.

Maybe it wasn't the progress some were looking for, but it was progress.

I think we'd probably all be somewhat surprised if we went back to week 1 and re-watched and then watched game 5 ... I bet there is a good bit of progress that might not be apparent and you are right - there were some decent 'long' drives from our 20-30 into the red zone before the wheels fell off and we turned the ball over. I mentioned before - the half time stats were ridiculously and overwhelmingly in the Browns favor (other than turn-overs).

What I would say is that losing games we could and should win because you are developing your QB is bad for the rest of the team. And it's as simple as that - I think Hogan gives us the best chance to win and the positive to the rest of the team outweighs any possible negative on Kizer's development. Just look at the WR's and TE's - Njoku looked much improved and Hogan was throwing passes before or as WR's made their break and Ricardo for one looked better. . . . Be great to discover we have a WR or 2 who is actually better than we thought.

Not only that but I truly think that Kizer can benefit by being freed of pressure of starting and preparing to start. . . I am still high on Kizer and think there is plenty of talent there to work with.

I don't think kizer has scored since week one...

TWSS

TWSS ?

That's what she said??

*LOL* ... thanks ...

Purp - are u really that lazy? ...

So has anyone affiliated with the team acknowledged that starting Kizer early was a mistake? Now he needs to sit and learn, but he didn't at the beginning of the season? What changed? Did they not evaluate him properly?

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I think I can proffer a decent theory.

I think the Browns were basking in the glory of a 4 game preseason winning streak.

And Kizer of course looked decent. Even ready. Those preseason games look real.

Kizer has a chance to become a good QB. He just isn't ready to start yet. Hogan has produced where Kizer hasn't. That means Hogan has EARNED a chance to start. No one think Hogan is the next Montana. We just see that he can move the ball better, MUCH BETTER. If hogan fails then it's no big loss because Kizer was already losing us games himself.

At least Hue is showing the team that no starter is safe when they create turnovers. You have to create than mentality and culture where you don't turn the ball over like all successful NFL teams do. Kizer is going to have to learn to process post snap much faster if he truly wants to be an NFL starter. I am not hating the kid but just stating my objective opinion. I think Kizer has potential but until the mental aspect speeds up he will never succeed. Hogan had the same problem last year and has made a HUGE improvement. Kizer will have to do the same.

Has Jackson said why things are different for Kizer than they were at the start of the season?

That's why I always say enjoy the preseason games. Usually? They are the best games of our whole season!

Some people can't admit they may have made a mistake. So what if Hue thought DK was ready to start and he wasn't. He's not the first coach who made a mistake and he won't be the last. DK did look good in preseason and had that strong arm but as we know it's not the same as regular season. Maybe he thought we had another Dan Marino. In any case he corrected himself and in the long run it may be better for DK and the Browns. Right now, for everyone's sake, we need to win some games and KH gives us the best chance.

What?

Uhhhh.... absolutely!

I legitimately want to know what has changed between the time when Kizer was named the starting QB and now.

I'm not sure, but here's my guess.

It is very hard to tell if collegiate qbs from certain offenses can make post-snap reads in the NFL. Many play in the Spread and are not asked to.

We have guys like Cam [very slow] and Mariotta [not too bad] be successful w/those reads. Then, we have a ton of guys who can't make those reads.

I think it is pretty obvious that Kizer's reads in real games when teams are disguising coverages is very slow.

Does that help? Or, do you just wanna trash Hue?

Kizer was the same crappy quarterback during the first 5 weeks of the season as he was during the preseason. I think they thought he would develop quicker than he has... I think hue figured he had the best physical tools of the quarterbacks and we weren't going to win a lot this year so he played kizer. However barely completing 50% of your passes and an 0-5 record have led hue to make the change.

I don't understand why everyone thought kizer was the best quarterback in the preseason. I'd actually say Hogan had the best preseason of all our quarterbacks.

Show me one place where I have trashed Hue Jackson. Just one.

I'll wait.

Stop looking for fights where there are none to be found.

Who is looking for a fight?

Why did you ignore my answer to your question?

I clearly answered it. I'm not saying it is right, but I think it is feasible. Do you?

Or, do you just wanna trash Hue and me?

My bad. It is definitely feasible. I don't think it is the case. I think the team (Hue and Sashi both) forced Kizer into the starter's role hoping for a miracle (kind of like they did last year with RGIII).

To me it was pretty clear in the preseason that Kizer was having trouble making reads. He had trouble with interceptions and completing passes then also.

With all that said, I was an advocate of starting Kizer right away. I think that learning by doing is the best way to improve rapidly (with proper coaching). We were always going to be bad and taking the year to develop Kizer by playing him made a lot of sense.

I think Kizer is the same now as he was before week one. That tells me that starting him from game one was a mistake or benching him is a mistake. Nobody affiliated with the team has been asked which is the case.

Okay, that is very fair. I apologize for being snarky. I may have misunderstood your intent.

If you recall, I was all in favor of starting Brock in a throw-away year and allowing Kizer to sit and work on the things he did not get in college.

I backed off when they made the decision because I don't believe in QB controversies. I am pretty sure I said the decision to start Kizer was "risky."

With all of that said.........it really sucks we just can't find a guy to be our answer. We end up bashing one another and the Browns continue to suck. It's very depressing.