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So what's your answer? Start no one? You know everything that's going to happen because you've seen it all before?Why do you even get out of bed in the morning if you know how it's all going to end? This is just more of your "I know we run better to the left then we do to the right because I'm always right" fluff. You're guessing just like everyone else. That's okay, just don't try to sell me your opinion as fact. Or maybe you're just an expert at 20/20 hindsight. I know the Browns suck. I know our quarterbacks suck. I've been watching them suck for a lot longer than 15 years. That doesn't always mean they always will suck so why pretend you have all the answers?

If we are going lose, I'd rather have a good idea of whether or not Kizer can grow and understand what exactly he brings to the table prior to the 2018 draft where we are in a position (again) to draft a top tier QB. I have a feeling that the FO will not making the same mistake THREE years in a row.

I agree, but I think that we can harm Kizer by starting him. I am not saying I am right, but in my opinion, I think it's best that he sits and watches for now, while still being coached up [especially in the film room] a lot.

Does that make sense?

he didnt learner...learn..time for cody?

Browns reinstate Kizer as starting QB for #Titans

https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/920664339387908096

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Good move Hue .... ...

DeShone Kizer - QB - Browns

Coach Hue Jackson named DeShone Kizer the Browns' starting quarterback for Week 7 against the Titans.

There's some speculation the Browns benched Kizer in Week 6 at Houston to avoid a Kizer-Deshaun Watson matchup after the Browns passed on Watson, who is playing at an MVP level, in order to come back and take Kizer 40 picks later. Kevin Hogan was dreadful in his start, and Jackson is going back to the rookie Kizer. Kizer has far more upside as a thrower and runner, but he has to cut down on the turnovers and sacks taken for this Cleveland offense to get off the mat.

My thoughts exactly. Losing is losing, I guess.

Two things:

You got what you wanted.

Who will the QB we draft high next year?

Hahaha watching Kizer is just like Weeden to me minus the scramble ability. 0-16, here we go!

We're so pathetic. I knew this was coming and prepared for it but in all reality, why do I even care? I'm not watching this joke on Sunday anymore.

I was hoping that Hogan would at least get until the bye to round out his sampling. Looks like he got the super-quick hook.

So what happens if Kizer goes out there and stinks it up just as bad?

Kessler is probably warming up the in the bullpen...

J/C

I just don't see how 1 week of watching will make that much of a difference for him. If it was several weeks, then I'd at least understand, but one week makes no sense to me.

It does by looking at one side of the coin.

I've seen QB's fight through the fire and learn by playing. I've seen QB's do better by learning from sitting. I don't believe there is a single answer to the question. I think it depends on the QB as to which way will work best.

As for which will work best with Kizer, I simply don't know.

IT'S HORRIBLE that Hue is trashing Hogan and throwing him under the bus by starting Kizer.... WOW

I've already stated that at this point, it really doesn't make any difference. The end result will be the same.



Does it bother you so badly that you were wrong and I was right that you feel the need to try to move the goal post and make fun of the one who was right this time around? Yeah, that's what I thought.



But I did have the answer, didn't I? And you're right to the point that if they would quit passing on good QB's in the draft, our QB's wouldn't suck. But they did pass on them and they do suck.

I actually think thats an area Hue has improved in ...

Last year he threw CK under the bus ... ran over him and backed it up a few times to run over him again ... *L*

This year ... not sure he could have handled it worse ... but he hasn’t thrown either of them under the bus ...

IMO right now Hue is OVERWHELMED just like Kizer ... putting Kizer tells me he’s not thinking straight ...

I don't understand how one week off or only giving Hogan one week to prove himself helped either QB... This is pure knee jerk reaction to me and tells me Hue is feeling the heat so much that he's beginning to get desperate. That's not good, he's going to lose the team now, watch and see.

I haven't been on the 'fire hue', 'blow it up', 'fire the FO' bandwagons but I'm getting closer by the day on Hue. Time will tell.

I'm ok with Kizer. He's moved the ball well. He needs to take care of it now. Besides we kicked our only Vet QB to the curb in the off season. Big mistake.

I said it before I'll say it again. "You keep your Veteran QB until you have a good replacement" This situation is self inflicted by the Browns FO IMO. Nothing new but the date and time. The beat goes on.

Browns’ QB Kevin Hogan, who started last week, now down to 3rd-string and Cody Kessler promoted to 2nd-string, per @FieldYates and me.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/920685731365998592

Hue knows exactly what he's doing! What's best for players and the team! LMAO.

A thought just hit me on this. Maybe Hue and Kizer weren't focused on Hogan and our O last week, maybe they were focused on how Watson was succeeding. This makes good sense actually.

If Hue and Kizer spent the game dissecting how Watson was able to look like an all pro QB as a rookie; maybe just maybe Kizer did learn some valuable info to apply to his game.

This makes more sense in this light. But I still am confused as to what one week off could have accomplished otherwise.

Kevin Hogan had his ribs X-rayed after Houston loss. Results were negative. Hue Jackson will address if that affects him being third QB when he meets media

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40005833-4

Hogan threw himself under the bus by throwing every sideline pass out of bounds and every pass inside the stripes to the opposing team. Hogan was awful. He’s got no velocity. Making every out route, and curl a potential pick 6.
Kiser may throw interceptions but at least I see a real NFL arm. Hogan is not a starter in this league. Kiser may not be either but he has a far better chance than Hogan.
If we’re going to throw 3 interceptions a game I’d rather watch Kiser doing it knowing there’s maybe microscopically small chance he can improve.

You think he would've given Hogan until the bye week to get a better evaluation of him instead of just yanking him like that. I didn't like the play calling in that game for him at all. Two of the interceptions were flukish. One sailed and got away when he tried to throw over the LB. The other one hit the LB right in the bread basket on the sidelines. The CB caught him staring down the WR and jumped it on the other. Hues coaching seems to ruin the natural ability of our QBs. Plus the complicated offense is ridiculous. Now he trashes Kevin.

Ahh, well that actually makes sense. Kid probably sore and in pain.

I think people are hung up on the QB and unconsciously forget that the offense doesn't have the skill position pieces to support Kizer or any QB (other then established vets) right now.

And even with a vet QB I think Hue and staff need to look at their offense game plan. I don't think the staff has fully accepted the limitations on offense and adapted the playcalling to suit.

This makes no sense unless Hogan is hurt.

People have short memories. No matter how bad Kizer and Hogan have been, it's nowhere close to how bad Kessler was last year. You can't be afraid to throw the ball. It doesn't get more basic than that.

But, but but, with another year in Hues system he's got to be better, right? I mean every player drafted is better in year two, right?

At least that's what many were saying before pre season started.

This is football, you play if you are sore and in pain. He was terrible.

Well it looks like we may have seen the last of Hogan this season (unless injuries dictate otherwise). There is now no way that Hue can go back to Hogan as a starter. I don't agree with the choice, but Hue is the guy pulling the strings...

Was it Hue driving the bus or was it Hogan releasing the parking brake then jumping under it?

Kizer released the parking brake game after game, and got a "chance" at least. Hogan gets burned and axed after one game, but just being real - I do think he's injured.

So Kizer learned what he needs to learn after sitting for one week? Or is he just the best out of a bunch of bad options?

I don't think Kessler is good or will ever be good, but part of me thinks that, if we are trying to win, he would be the best option because he at least wouldn't hurt the team.

(I know the players and coaches are physically trying to win the games on Sunday. I am not sure if that is the overall goal of the team in 2017.)

Something just occurred to me. I've seen something like this before a long time ago with the Steelers. The QB's involved were Terry Hanratty and Terry Bradshaw Bradshaw was the chosen one for sure but wasn't performing well and Noll yanked him for Hanratty.

If memory serves correctly, he made that switch several times and finally the light just went on for Bradshaw. That was the end of Hanratty.

This isn't really the same thing because, again, if memory serves, Hanratty was at least thought of as a good QB... Respected.

But it just made me wonder if Hue is trying to pull a Noll with these guys.

Just a random thought.. Nothing meant by it really.

We've reached the musical chairs at QB portion of the season. A tad earlier than last season I might add.

Why do I hear Yakety Sax when I read your post?

The music stopped and Kizer was the only one left in a chair.

Music might be starting up again before too long after today's press conference....

Nate Ulrich‏
@NateUlrichABJ
#Browns HC Hue Jackson said he won't say DeShone Kizer will start for the rest of this season but he hopes that is the case

My memory may be off here, but I am pretty sure around 1973 or 1974 Noll also pulled Bradshaw and went with Joe Gilliam for a while, so if my memory is correct, Bradshaw had that done to him twice. Noll was not trying to make friends.

I did actually think of a possible positive from Sunday regarding Kizer. From a mental perspective seeing Hogan struggle could make Kizer feel like "hey maybe it is not just me", and he can relax if he is pressing. Every athlete is different and with him being so young one week off could help. Time will tell. And if Kizer plays the rest of the year with no improvement we have a better answer regarding drafting a QB with our first pick.