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What about the FO? Isn't it hard to keep the FO intact when they have made so many moves that have led to our poor record?

You guys are beyond obvious.

I am not sticking up for them.

The deal is they aren't stuck with records like a coach.

I am not talking about fair. I am talking about how it is.

I am not defending anybody here at the moment. We are now in season. The eyes are on the coach. I feel bad for Hue. He's in a bad position, no doubt.

It is what it is.

Our division has historically laid out a blueprint for success:
1 - Pick your HC and stick with him through thick and thin
2 - Build your roster through the draft
3 - Find a QB who can make all the throws and is durable

I'm sure I can add more, but our FO has done these things.

Of course #3 is up in the air right now, but they did bring a guy in who at least looks the part. :shrug:

You can make that argument, but I think it is unreasonable.

I don't care who the coach is, the record would suck!!! The FO and owner signed up for this dumb ass plan and firing coaches isn't going to change things.

Look, I don't want anyone in the FO fired, but you guys drive me nuts w/this stupid ass talk about firing the coach for a problem that is not his.

Whatever............this organization sucks.

Do you think Hue's doing a good job given the players he has available?

So if it is a dumb ass plan, why stick with it? That seems pretty goofy. No??

I know you think I want to see Hue fired. I don't. I just know that change always starts with the head coach. When was the last time you saw a FO fired at the bye? Not saying it hasn't happened, but it is usually a coaching change.

I don't know.

I think the Titans have way more talent than we do and we took them to OT. Can you do that w/bad coaching? Maybe.

What I do know is that Hue is a respected coach in NFL circles. Guys who know way more than dummies like me hold him in high regard.

I also know that "the plan" has been scoffed at by many NFL people.

Blaming Hue seems dumb to me and I don't think changing coaches will do anything other than to set us back.

This is the same FO that passed on Wentz and the rookie QB tied for the NFL in TD passes (who's not even top 25 in pass attempts for that matter).

This FO has failed miserably on the most important aspect of their job...finding a quarterback!!

I think everyone is on the chopping block.

The thing is....Hue was brought here to help solve the QB problem.

peen, you are a pretty smart guy.............and I am sure you remember me saying the following two things:

--losing a ton of games leads to the blame game and guys getting fired.

and

--once we adopted the plan, the best course of action is to stick w/it.

Most of you loved the plan. I got ridiculed over and over and over again for saying that it wasn't the best of plans because losing so many games in the first couple of years of a regime change is tough on everyone. The fans, the media feeds on it, the coaches, the FO, the players, the owner, etc. It's hard to overcome, peen. That is why I say it's dumb.

However, we chose that plan knowing that we were going to lose a huge number of games these first 2-3 years. Now.......think about this...........we have a very young roster w/some talent. We have a ton of picks. We all talked about patience, as did Haslam. Stay the course.

If they fire guys, the plan will indeed be proven to be dumb. If they stay the course, the plan will most likely work.

The biggest risk of the plan is whether or not they have the fortitude to stick w/the plan or if they listen to all the noise and start blowing things up again.

I think it's pretty clear that neither the front office nor Hue Jackson wanted Carson Wentz. We have pretty strong evidence to suggest that. I think there was a QB in this last draft that Hue Jackson wanted (probably Patrick Mahomes) that we missed on getting. Deshone Kizer was a lottery ticket.

I hope we keep them all.

I've said the same thing several times. I still think things can snowball on Hue Jackson the rest of the season and that could change things.

He's 21, give him a break.

Wait, he's 21 and the starting qb. Out of 32 teams, he's one of 32.

Age doesn't matter. You have a long off season to party all you want.


Get your butt in bed at a decent time. Keep screwing up, the money will dry up also.

I haven't been following this thread for a little while so forgive me if this was already posted.

DeShone Kizer’s late night out doesn’t sit well with Browns
Posted by Charean Williams on October 22, 2017, 6:33 PM EDT

AP
Cleveland’s WOIO Channel 19 obtained video of Browns quarterback DeShone Kizer partying early Saturday morning. Coach Hue Jackson was taken aback when told about it in postgame interviews.

“A guy’s personal time is his personal time, but I still think that’s not what our guys do,” Jackson said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “I think our guys work at what they do, and I would be surprised if that happened. I have never heard of that. I don’t think DeShone has that kind of character or personality that way. That is what it is.”

Kizer was shown with teammates at a downtown Cleveland establishment at 1:30 a.m. Saturday. The Browns had practice Saturday in preparation for Sunday’s game.

“It is not a curfew, but you are right,” Jackson said. “You said it. That is the first I have heard of it. I appreciate you guys sharing that with me. Thank you.”

Kizer’s late night out came hours after he called a players-only offensive meeting Friday. Although Kizer didn’t miss any team activities, his Friday night partying still didn’t sit well with the winless Browns.

“I don’t think I’d be doing that,” wide receiver Ricardo Louis said. “When you’re a young guy in this league, you have to [learn now to prepare]. He’s learning right now. Preparation for success is such a fine line.”

Kizer was pulled in the second half of the team’s 12-9 overtime loss to the Browns after throwing back-to-back interceptions. He returned from a one-game benching to complete 12 of 20 passes for 114 yards and two picks.

The rookie told reporters in postgame interviews that he wasn’t “here to talk about my personal life right now” when asked about the video. He vehemently denied, however, that his partying shows a lack of commitment.

“Absolutely not,” Kizer said. “I was out. I was at the facility the next day, preparing for the game and the game right before that. Once again, I am not here to talk about my personal life.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ll-with-browns/

I saw this in another thread. I was the only one to respond to it.

Seems like a pretty big deal to me.

I guess it doesn't jibe w/the "blame Hue for everything" rhetoric.

We keep hearing about his maturity ... thats not very mature ... *L* ...

Lets hope its a one time thing and it never happens again ...

When it rains it pours ... its been raining on us for awhile now ... were all water logged by now ... *L*

I didn't see this in whatever thread you saw it in. But I agree that this is somewhat of a big deal. I didn't expect this out of Kizer and I am very disappointed.

Yep....immature.

Dude called a player's only meeting [which I despise] and then turns around and does that [if true.]

It's not damning, but it's not a very good look.

I don't mind a player only meeting... But then that night your out past 1:30am?

I understand it's his free time but man.... That doesn't gibe with someone who is supposed to be the team leader....

Yep. We already tried the "he's young, cut him some slack" with a partying rookie qb. It didn't work out well.

So nobody here has ever been out late knowing they have to work in the morning.

Ever.

I’m glad a lot of you guys were perfect angels at 21.

He's not making boots at a factory. He's a 21 year old NFL QB, which takes a lot of sacrifice, especially when you consider the circumstances. We just went through JFF hell... Btw Johnny is available... and our QB situation is wobbly...

Dude is getting paid huge money. He called a team meeting and talked about being a leader. He was coming off of a benching. He leads the league in picks despite not playing as many quarters as others. He is a freaking rookie who is extremely young.

I'd say that if I were in that position, there would be no way in hell I would be clubbing so close to a game. I'd be doing my best to prepare for the Titans and relishing the chance to redeem myself.

But, that's just me.

At this point, does it even matter?

Benched twice. Redzone INTs. Much more. Worthless.

Who we drafting?

Did u miss the part where THE PIECE OF CRAP, TRASH ( that’d be me .. *L* ... but u all ready know that since your the one that called me that .... )

Anyhow ... did u miss the part where i said hopefully this is a one time thing ...

Let me guess ... u think this was a mature move? ... ...

I also wasn't making a couple million and leading a professional football team as a rookie, so yeah ManBoy ruined that excuse long ago.

What’s the circumstance?

That we’re once again 0-7?

Did Kessler not staying out late help us win games?

Did hogan not staying out late help him win his first start?

Did the O line not staying out help them block better?

The team is trash. I didn’t want us to draft this bum in the first place, but honestly a 21 year old staying out late on a Friday night doesn’t mean much. He didn’t get arrested, he didn’t break curfew, he didn’t get a DUI. He didn’t hit his girlfriend.

The holier than thou crap is annoying. Y’all free to express whatever but so am I. He was throwing picks BEFORE he decided to go out with the crew. He didn’t stay out late before and he was still throwing picks.

And y’all bringing up manziel but at least his drunk ass won us a game. Glad y’all happy with the choir boys we got while we won one game the last 2 seasons.

You don't know that he wasn't going out late earlier in the year. He just didn't get caught.

Look, it's not a huge deal. I just think that I would not have done the same thing if I were in his position. It's not a damning statement. It's just my opinion.

I hope that is permitted?????????????

Is it permitted? You’re the one who likes playing forum police all the time around here.

All I did was give my opinion on you guys opinion.

You're making it personal. Have a good night.

False.

I’ll try again ... your really really good at avoiding questions ... u REFUSE TO ANSWER them when their to tough .. and by tough ... i mean YOU WON’T LIKE THE ANSWER ...

I’m a stupid PIECE OF CRAP so i’ll Try again ...

Did u think that was mature on his part? ...

Thats your type of peeps swish? ... he PARTIED HIMSELF OUT OF THE NFL ...

No one in the PP forum tonight so u have to come over and be ... well .. who u are ...

Because you’re question is stupid.

Because somebody goes out at night means they are or aren’t mature?

You not asking anything tough. All you’re doing is attempting to enforce your particular morality to this situation.

I want to state straightaway that I don't think Hue Jackson should be fired (at this point, things may change).

What has Hue Jackson done to prove that he should be the head coach to develop the next QB? One may argue that Kizer was forced upon and while that may be true (we'll never know for sure either way), he is the QB he has. Kizer has not improved at all since the preseason. He is doing the same things now that he was doing in the preseason. Also, jerking Kizer in and out of games when he is supposed to be learning on the field seems to be counterintuitive.

Sorry this is an incomplete thought, I am just trying to talk through things without thinking them all the way through.

Maybe it’s because Hue knows this kid can’t improve, at the very least, not until next season.

And yea based in some of the recent articles out, it might be somewhat safe to assume he didn’t even want Kizer in the first place.

I sincerely believe Hue hasn’t been allowed to pick his QB in the draft. And we got non football guys picking qb’s.