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Maybe it’s because Hue knows this kid can’t improve, at the very least, not until next season.
And yea based in some of the recent articles out, it might be somewhat safe to assume he didn’t even want Kizer in the first place.
I sincerely believe Hue hasn’t been allowed to pick his QB in the draft. And we got non football guys picking qb’s. Hue Jackson wanted Jared Goff, but the Rams jumped us and got him. It's hard to pin that on anyone. He also wanted RGIII badly because "he felt the ground move beneath his feet" during his workout. There was the whole "trust me" comment about Cody Kessler which was weird and I still don't fully understand it. DeShaun Watson says that Hue Jackson wanted him, Hue Jackson disagrees with him. I think Jackson wanted Patrick Mahomes and that we were going to take him, but the Chiefs traded up for him. I think Kizer was basically a lottery ticket that Jackson got stuck with because all the other QBs were so bad and Kizer at least had potential (he has not developed at all). It is correct that the people running the front office, particularly Sashi Brown and Paul DePodesta, are not football guys. But Hue Jackson should also be held responsible for giving the thumbs up on RGIII and not developing Kizer at all. I don't think I want Sashi Brown and Paul DePodesta selecting a QB first overall in 2018 because I don't trust them to do it on their own. I also don't know if I trust Hue Jackson to develop a young QB. I also know that we can't keep firing people every two years. It's truly a mess.
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LaCanfora: This Kizer situation has reached ridiculous proportions. It's almost impossible to be benched, for productivity reasons and not injury, to a quarterback who was basically considered third-string at best, in Hogan, and then immediately again for a quarterback who had been inactive every week despite being a part of the weakest quarterback roster in the NFL (Kessler). It doesn't happen in the big leagues, folks. Not when you have passed on Goff (coulda traded up) and Wentz and Prescott (they took Kessler over him) and then you pass on Watson to trade down with the Texans (who selected him in that spot) to end up with Kizer in the second round.
Yanking him again, albeit after two ugly picks, in a game you would lose at home, 12-9, in overtime, is insane. I don't care that Kessler wasn't as bad – you just benched Kessler for six straight weeks behind these other two bad quarterbacks. It makes zero sense from player development and basically puts the next Browns regime – yeah, there ain't no way coaches/front office are surviving this - on the clock to select a quarterback with a top five pick in April. Whatever was left of Kizer feeling anyone there had his back is over, and the reality is he threw a ton of picks and made a lot of poor decisions at Notre Dame.
That's what they drafted, yet the winless team wasn't willing to let him try to learn by playing anymore. Even had the Browns won that game, given the way it went down, it's still a loss long-term. This may be a new low for them, which is truly saying something. Nobody does misery like them. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/too-m...-hard-to-watch/I agree with many of the things said above.
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Because you’re question is stupid.
Because somebody goes out at night means they are or aren’t mature?
You not asking anything tough. All you’re doing is attempting to enforce your particular morality to this situation. Its a real shame all U do is look do is look for fights .... thats it ... yout not interested in convo ... 4 or 5 posters have defended U to me in the past .... say your a good guy ... and i believe them and can see it ..,, hence why I think your angry ..... AND THIS RIGHT HERE PROVES IT .... even sadder is the fact I all ready know the BS you’ll come back ... Here’s my one and only post about that, the one U originally replied too ... We keep hearing about his maturity ... thats not very mature ... *L* ...
Lets hope its a one time thing and it never happens again ...
When it rains it pours ... its been raining on us for awhile now ... were all water logged by now ... *L* Wow .... thats pretty harsh ... definetly me showing my kind of morality ... WOW ... that was BRUTAL ... thanks for pointing it out ...  for someone to take that and spin in it to what u have .... SOMETHINGS WRONG ... and it ain’t with me ... Hopefully u get whatever’s bothering u taken care of ...
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For real though, there is a reason you don't see any other QBs out at a bar late a day before a game.
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Benching Kizer left a bad taste in my mouth. I thought it was Kizer's most complete game yet. It's so strange to say regarding a player who had two costly interceptions, but outside of those two throws, he played quiet well on every other attempt. Normally a two interception game denotes someone who looked awful; not someone who looked awful on two throws.
I'm also not overly mad at the second interception. That was an amazing play from the DB. He played the under on a perfectly executed bait and switch. The first interception annoyed me, however. Perhaps not annoyed. To use the parental cliché: I'm not mad, I'm disappointed. He made a great read, he had a game-changing play there for the taking, wide open, and he threw a duck on a pass that wasn't complicated. He just didn't step in to it.
My frustration, however, is that Kessler wasn't any better. He struggled to move the chains just as much as Kizer did. Kizer keeps being benched for quarterbacks who aren't winning the game. We aren't making game breaking plays that Kizer can't make. Who aren't protecting the football. Who aren't delivering desired results.
I look at Trubisky in Chicago. Their gimmick offense is already showing down - so he completed FOUR of SEVEN passes. They won off the back of a monstrous defensive performance and a solid running game. They're prepared to stick with him when he is so bad that they'll only let him throw SEVEN passes, protecting him while he gains experience, but Hue Jackson can't seem to go more than two quarters without benching Deshone Kizer for whoever he decides will be this week's not-hero.
It is disturbing to watch a head coach quit on a rookie quarterback for playing no worse than those whom replace him.
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I touched on this in another thread. I don't care that the kid went out. He's young, he wants to club a bit. Cool. I get it.
I do think that as the "leader", he needs to impose a self set curfew and come 11:30 or so, he needs to make his way home.
As the saying goes: Nothing good happens after midnight.
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As the saying goes: Nothing good happens after midnight.
Yep. My dad always used to say, "there are 2 types of people out that late, cops and drunks". If your famous, add cell phone cams to that list.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
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LaCanfora: This Kizer situation has reached ridiculous proportions. It's almost impossible to be benched, for productivity reasons and not injury, to a quarterback who was basically considered third-string at best, in Hogan, and then immediately again for a quarterback who had been inactive every week despite being a part of the weakest quarterback roster in the NFL (Kessler). It doesn't happen in the big leagues, folks. Not when you have passed on Goff (coulda traded up) and Wentz and Prescott (they took Kessler over him) and then you pass on Watson to trade down with the Texans (who selected him in that spot) to end up with Kizer in the second round.
Yanking him again, albeit after two ugly picks, in a game you would lose at home, 12-9, in overtime, is insane. I don't care that Kessler wasn't as bad – you just benched Kessler for six straight weeks behind these other two bad quarterbacks. It makes zero sense from player development and basically puts the next Browns regime – yeah, there ain't no way coaches/front office are surviving this - on the clock to select a quarterback with a top five pick in April. Whatever was left of Kizer feeling anyone there had his back is over, and the reality is he threw a ton of picks and made a lot of poor decisions at Notre Dame.
That's what they drafted, yet the winless team wasn't willing to let him try to learn by playing anymore. Even had the Browns won that game, given the way it went down, it's still a loss long-term. This may be a new low for them, which is truly saying something. Nobody does misery like them. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/too-m...-hard-to-watch/I agree with many of the things said above. Yeah, I don't think he is wrong here. It's a horrible time and think the Kizer situation has been handled terribly.
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I don't know.
I think the Titans have way more talent than we do and we took them to OT. Can you do that w/bad coaching? Maybe.
What I do know is that Hue is a respected coach in NFL circles. Guys who know way more than dummies like me hold him in high regard.
I also know that "the plan" has been scoffed at by many NFL people.
Blaming Hue seems dumb to me and I don't think changing coaches will do anything other than to set us back. I'm reaching the point where I'm not sure if they respect him or they just "like" him. That could go for the players, too, and it might be part of our problem. Not enough discipline. How many offsides penalties did we have? Protesting after he asked them not to, breaking curfew, Kizer out late, etc. I don't want to blow things up, but we could use someone to lay down the law so to speak. I'm not sure Hue has it in him.
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