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Well once I get a reasonable answer to my questions I will answer yours.

This is an America Safety Ban, placing the safety of American Citizens first.

Why would anyone have a problem with that?
Should not America come first?

conservatives would deport dora the explorer if they could.

I will answer your question.. whether or not you consider it "reasonable" is entirely up to you...


Nobody would object to something that made Americans safer.. but the facts are pretty clear that this does almost nothing in that regard. There are still 10,000 more likely ways you will die than at the hands of one of these immigrants. If you had to go outside in the rain, making people wear a 2" thick insulated rubber suit with grounding wires would save more lives than this ban... and I don't see you advocating for that.. banning cars that go over 60 would save thousands more lives than this ban and you aren't advocating for that... there are many many many things we could do that would have a significantly greater impact to make Americans safer than this ban and you don't want to consider any of them... that's why people question your motives..

Ok, so you give me odds that it won't happen but I want to know why you would even risk allowing immigrants from those areas when you don't have too? Even if the odds are one in a million, why risk it at all? Immigration is what makes America what it is but as a Nation, we pick and choose who comes here for the good of the Nation.

If it's about saving American lives and putting Americans first, then let's put all of our options on the table for accomplishing that.. because right now all you've got is a wall on the Mexican border and a ban on travellers from 6 Muslim countries (most of which have NEVER attacked us before)...

Those Nations have never attacked us but the terrorists within would kill us in a heartbeat. Why risk bringing any of them here at all? Why allow an open Mexican Border when millions of illegals have crossed it over the years? Surveillance, technology, Drones, more Border Guards and a wall will make it a whole lot more difficult for large numbers of illegals to sneak into America. Why not do the right thing and stop them?

They are both just geared at protecting your white arse from brown people and black people.. not a single word about how your country or your laws could protect you from other white people.. which by the way, if you are going to be killed, is the much more likely way for you to die...

It is obvious to me that you are an anti white racist.
Learn something new every day.

I live across the street from an Egyptian family, the father is an engineer, his son is an engineering student at UNC Charlotte, they are Muslim.. I assure you, I trust him and his family 10,000 times more than I trust some of the Americans (white and black) that I see in and around Raleigh every single day...

Wonderful story, I live near a family where 4 of their 5 kids are doing time. Individual stories do not a Nation make. Controlled immigration and stopping illegals secures our Nation for its Citizens.

Your attempts to paint this as a safety thing are misguided statistically disingenuous... if you goal is to keep Americans safer, then I'm on board with that.. let's open up the conversation about how we might really be able to make that happen... and the starting point is, how do we protect us from each other.

How about first we secure ourselves as a Nation with controlled immigration and secured Borders, then we begin the internal repairs when it is just We The People?

conservatives would deport dora the explorer if they could.

My daughter loved that show, and the books.

conservatives would deport dora the explorer if they could.

moi bien

Stop avoiding the fact that this is a Muslim ban. You may think it's protecting American's and others may think it's not. But the fact remains, if you're a Muslim from any of these countries you are being banned from immigrating to the U.S. even if you are a refugee of war, woman or a child. While in the USA our leaders do nothing to protect women and children praying in church or at a country music fest from hooligans with tons of guns and ammo purchased legally.

Well once I get a reasonable answer to my questions I will answer yours.

Just curious, if it was a muslim ban, wouldn't he have just banned ALL muslim countries.

Because Saudi Arabia would kick him out of their magic orb club.

Awesome, another women joins the crusade against bigotry, racism and fascism. We need all the help we can get.

ahhhh, cause that makes sense, bigots and racists pick and choose based on that......

what a feeble attempt to deflect the fact that your narrative was just shut down.

We joined they're secret club. We've been through the initiation of 911 and all that crap, we can't back out now.

Just curious, if it was a muslim ban, wouldn't he have just banned ALL muslim countries.........1+1=4 I guess to a lib.

Ok, so you give me odds that it won't happen but I want to know why you would even risk allowing immigrants from those areas when you don't have too? Even if the odds are one in a million, why risk it at all? Immigration is what makes America what it is but as a Nation, we pick and choose who comes here for the good of the Nation.

Those Nations have never attacked us but the terrorists within would kill us in a heartbeat. Why risk bringing any of them here at all? Why allow an open Mexican Border when millions of illegals have crossed it over the years? Surveillance, technology, Drones, more Border Guards and a wall will make it a whole lot more difficult for large numbers of illegals to sneak into America. Why not do the right thing and stop them?

It is obvious to me that you are an anti white racist.
Learn something new every day.

Wonderful story, I live near a family where 4 of their 5 kids are doing time. Individual stories do not a Nation make.

Controlled immigration and stopping illegals secures our Nation for its Citizens.

How about first we secure ourselves as a Nation with controlled immigration and secured Borders, then we begin the internal repairs when it is just We The People?

Actually, if I had the thought process some people on here do, I could turn your statement into "Kingo calls the supreme court bigots".

Asking why a country is NOT on the list that probably should be is not a whataboutism.. it's a legitimate part of the conversation... I'm yet to hear a reasonable explanation of why these 6 countries were singled out.

right, but yet it's been more than 6 months already.

see, thats the thing. you didn't need to halt immigration from those countries to begin with if all they wanted to do was review and revise the policy.

and even if that excuse somehow flew, its been more than 6 months. why hasn't the review and implementation of new immigration policies for those countries been conducted yet?

everyone and their mom knows this was a middle eastern muslim ban. you just can't call it a muslim ban because that would make it unconstitutional, so they have to roll with travel ban instead.

so while the travel ban is legal, make no mistake about it: this wasn't about a review, it was about halting muslims from entering the country as legally as possible.

which is why it a lot of people have argued it's racist.

people have a hard time grasping just how large the muslim population is. there's even a small percentage of white people who are muslims.

and that's because a lot of people don't really understand ethnic demographics.

for example, depending on what source for stats you want to use, anywhere between 32-38% of muslims here in america identify as white.

but the reality is that here in America specifically, Muslim is closely related to arab or north african ethnicities, even though globally, southeast Asia and Russia have more muslims than the middle east.

so that's the direct answer to your question about why all muslims countries aren't targeted: because there's a difference between an iraqi muslim and an filipino muslim.

or an indonesian muslim and a russian muslim. or a syrian muslim and an indian muslim.

the ban targets arab/middle eastern states specifically.

and then on top of it, the arab states targeted on the travel ban haven't even produced terrorist that have committed acts on American soil.

you get that right? between 1975-2015, from the 6 countries on the travel ban, none have produced any terrorist on american soil.

can you say the same for Saudi? no. Egypt? No. UAE? no.

as a matter of fact, most of the terrorist acts that happened by muslims in this country were committed by American citizens, born and raised here.

no travel ban is gonna change that.

so this argument that a travel ban is gonna keep us safe is false, and what's worse is that people like me only need one point to completely discredit the argument:

if a travel ban will keep us safe, then why isn't the countries that have actually produced terrorism in America been placed on these bans?

and then i look at the obvious thing that all people should consider first: money.

and sure enough, guess what, Devil?

the 3 countries that have produced the most terrorist in America, coincidentally are the 3 countries in the middle east that Trump has business dealings in. He has business dealings in Saudi, Egypt, and UAE.

he has no business dealings in any of the 6 countries on the travel ban.

which makes the point obama making the original list of countries irrelevant, as he ultimately didn't impose a travel ban on those countries; Trump did. Obama slowed down refugee's from iraq, but he didn't ban any visas from those countries, because refugees don't travel on visas.

when you step away from the "omg muslims!!!" fear mongering rhetoric, it's insanely easy to completely destroy this travel ban nonsense.

Ask France and Sweden if accepting refugees from terrorist led countries was such a great idea.

British security services have foiled an Islamist plot to blow up Prime Minister Theresa May, Sky News reported on Tuesday.

conservatives would deport dora the explorer if they could.

How racist.

The fact is that it is insane to accept refugees from countries that openly HATE the USA. I mean who says things like, "Oh, so you hate me? You wish I was dead? Why don't you come live with me then?!"

EXACTLY ... it doesn’t mention there religion and we SHOULDN’T ASSume they were muslims ... they may have been Canadian Christians for all we know ... ...