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After reading and listening to people sharing their views on John Dorsey, there isn't even an average take on him. Everyone absolutely loves him and what he has done in the NFL.
That's very promising. I asked that question earlier in the thread ... i dont see ALL THE TALENT he brought in ... I’m THRILLED Sashi’s gone after the NIGHTMARE at the FACTORY of SADNESS and i am very happy about the Dorsey hire ... i just don’t see what he did at KC that was all that great ... its like Hue being praised as some type of QB WHISPERER when he arrived here ... thats wasn’t there either ...
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I may be alone in this thought, but could this have been the plan all along? In 2016 Haslam didn't hire a GM, but he installed Sashi to strip down the team, and build a war-chest of picks and cap space. He did all the dirty work. This gives us the chance to attract the best available GM. I believe Sashi was the mastermind of this rebuild, and bringing in a real GM after year 2 might have been the plan all along. That the Chiefs fired Dorsey just played into the plan.
Now, this is all speculation, I could be completely off-base. But it kinda makes sense, and fits the non-traditional approach this has been from the beginning. That explanation is as reasonable as any in the bizarro Browns world we follow. Could be? Maybe not? Who knows?
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I may be alone in this thought, but could this have been the plan all along? In 2016 Haslam didn't hire a GM, but he installed Sashi to strip down the team, and build a war-chest of picks and cap space. He did all the dirty work. This gives us the chance to attract the best available GM. I believe Sashi was the mastermind of this rebuild, and bringing in a real GM after year 2 might have been the plan all along. That the Chiefs fired Dorsey just played into the plan.
Now, this is all speculation, I could be completely off-base. But it kinda makes sense, and fits the non-traditional approach this has been from the beginning. I think you give Haslam WAYYYYY more potential credit for being far sighted than I ever could. So in answer to your question - absolutely not. I do not think Haslam can see or plan that far. jmo I think the thief BACKED INTO THIS ... I think they started to talk to Dorsey to ADD him in a convential GM role ... u know, to make up for the MORONIC ASPECT of the last plan ... hey, lets bring in a lawyer to have final say over personal decisions .. BRILLIANT ... i could see him on the phone right after he made that decision calling his doctor to make an appt to get his taxes done ...  .. Then after the NIGHTMARE at the FACTORY of SADNESS we switched gears ...
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I think Sashi's sins go far beyond "not just getting a qb."
--I don't think he did a good job of handling our free agents. I thought he played hardball way too much.
--The rumors of teams not wanting to trade w/him were disturbing.
--Passing on certain players and then choosing guys like C. Coleman and Peppers hurt this roster.
--But, more than the QB thing and all the others, thinking that a "football" team where you only play one game a week can survive monumental losing was a colossal error in judgement. I said from the beginning that the blame game would rear it's ugly head. And it certainly did. I said from the beginning that losing so many games would create a toxic enviornment. It did. In baseball and basketball, you typically have a game the next day or the day after that. In the NFL, you play only once a week. Losing so many games was never a good idea.
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More than fast! So much for an extensive search... Uhmmm, the search has been taking place for some time. Great move by the Browns!!!! We knew something was up when we were talking to Singletary I wonder if that was the Rooney rule...
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--The rumors of teams not wanting to trade w/him were disturbing. The Browns made roughly 20 trades in two years. Stop. A perfect example of wrongly said things in the media to make Sashi look bad. A PERFECT example.
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More than fast! So much for an extensive search... Uhmmm, the search has been taking place for some time. Great move by the Browns!!!! We knew something was up when we were talking to Singletary I wonder if that was the Rooney rule... I can't remember where I read it but I saw something that indicated they had also talked to Hue about the position. If this is true, it suggests he turned it down because he saw it as too much work for one man. He said as much in an interview yesterday but I didn't tie it to the job interview process at the time. Again if it's true, that would also help satisfy the rule taking it beyond one interview just to satisfy the rule. Seems someone out there is trying to stir up controversy over this, but I don't think there's an issue here. Whatever the case, they couldn't possibly be stupid enough to not comply fully with the rule.
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I asked that question earlier in the thread ... i dont see ALL THE TALENT he brought in ...
I think that short phrase needs an additional word to it.
ALL the "YOUNG" TALENT he brought in.
Yes rookies do well all over the NFL but they usually are small puzzle pieces adding in to an already established team.
But when sooo many with little or NO NFL experience is utilized as last year we had what was it 19 rookies on our 53 roster...that is UNHEARD OF IN THE NFL!
There just was an environment here making winning a very difficult to almost impossible task.
Talent yes, but young talent just learning.
Ogbah, Garrett, Corey, Schobert, Kirksey and Shelton one year more as if they were the seasoned Vets...and the list goes on and on. We got talent but the key is YOUNG TALENT for sure.
And it would have been received with much more fan fare if we won more games...back to the circle of truth if only we had a viable QB.
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Have not read to many posts but I saw yours .. At the risk of being a Debbie Downer , the structure is a serious problem with Haslam involved at the top ! He can't succeed for getting out of his own way!
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--I don't think he did a good job of handling our free agents. I thought he played hardball way too much. Like how he played hardball with Kirksey, Collins, Bitonio and gave Joe Thomas a non-requested bonus?  Why can't you simply state that you disagreed with some FA moves? Why do you have to try and twist what happened into some agenda-based scheme? The guys he supposedly played hardball with were given better offers than they ended up taking elsewhere. He was willing to overpay those guys...and you call that hardball. There were other guys that he believed were simply not worth the $$$ they wanted. That's not hardball... that's decision-making. If you want to question that, fine. But you agenda-twist these things into somethijng they are not...again.
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I hope this guy is GREAT, but before everybody treats him like a Savior over his good draft picks just remember he also drafted Knile Davis 3rd rd Nico Johnson 4th round, Sanders Commings 5th rd, Eric Kush 6th rd, Braden Wilson 6th rd, Mike Catapano 7th rd all in 2013. 2014 Phillip Gaines 2nd rd De'Anthony Thomas 4th rd Aaron Murray 5th rd 2015 Chris Conley 3rd rd Steven Nelson 3rd rd Ramik Wilson 4th rd D.J. Alexander 5th rd James O'Shaughnessy 5th rd Rakeem Nunez-Roches 6th rd You can look at his 2016 and 2017 drafts here https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/draft.htmJust like every GM he has missed on a lot of his picks, and he will miss on some of his picks here as well.
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I hope before next offseason they Bring in an experience team president that all the football guys report to instead of Haslam.. Other than that, excellent hire. Dilly Dilly
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... he will miss on some of his picks here as well.
Yes he will. Just like every other GM, including Sashi. I read that JD will have control over the roster...how will this be any different than Sashi? (And yes, I know the experience factor).
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Shashi relied on the people in the organization for their info he went with the consensus. I believe Dorsey will be more of a guy who listens to his people but then makes his own decision. If he disagree's with those under him he will still go with HIS choice. I don't know that for a fact about Dorsey, it's just my opinion right now.
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Shashi relied on the people in the organization for their info he went with the consensus. I believe Dorsey will be more of a guy who listens to his people but then makes his own decision. If he disagree's with those under him he will still go with HIS choice. I don't know that for a fact about Dorsey, it's just my opinion right now. From what I understand he lives in a dark room watching tape. You're probably right, I'm sure he relies very heavily on his own judgement.
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More than fast! So much for an extensive search... How do you know how long they've been looking? Perhaps they decided to make a change in October and started their search then.. That would make it fairly extensive right?
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It'll be interesting to hear straight from the GMs mouth that Hue is indeed in the plans moving forward. It's a little hard to believe that he'd take the job and not have the power to replace
the HC if or when necessary. I'll bet there's an agreed on timeframe to win or jettison Hue.
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He does have the power to replace Hue. This is from another thread. It comes from Adam Scheftter Head coach Hue Jackson will remain on the job and the expectation is that he will return for the 2018 season, though whoever Cleveland hires as its new general manager also will have a say. I imagine that Dorsey has already said he is good w/Hue returning next week and that is why the Browns said the latter would be back next year.
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More than fast! So much for an extensive search... How do you know how long they've been looking? Perhaps they decided to make a change in October and started their search then.. That would make it fairly extensive right? I would expect that you read about the number of candidates contacted/interviewed...
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--The rumors of teams not wanting to trade w/him were disturbing.
DUDE! I'm not trying to battle here, but serious question... how do you chastize other posters for making stuff up and then post something like this... I mean come on, you have to know you erred here. Just admit it. On top of that, in a post about Rosen being hard to coach and questions about his work ethic with actual quotes from respected high up NFL GMs and talent evaluators, you claim that to be false and criticize posters for falling for such RUMORS! Totally not cool, dude.
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Finally a return to traditional scouting. I won't miss the analytic BS moves this FO made the last couple of years including the jettisoning of veteran talent. Money ball just doesn't mix well with the NFL. Just to many physical scenarios and injuries get in the way of that philosophy.
I'm betting, hoping, and praying we don't trade a single pick this year unless it's an absolute no brainier. Go for a QB with our first pick and then go BPA for the rest! I'm hoping we pick up that franchise QB and a stud olineman this draft for replacing JT when he retires.
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I'm not making it up. I said there were "rumors." Heck, they were posted on this very board. I think they are in the Garappolo thread. Go check it out before calling me a liar.
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--The rumors of teams not wanting to trade w/him were disturbing.
DUDE! I'm not trying to battle here, but serious question... how do you chastize other posters for making stuff up and then post something like this... Totally not cool, dude. I can't name a talented top tier NFL player that Sashi has acquired or traded for?
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--The rumors of teams not wanting to trade w/him were disturbing.
DUDE! I'm not trying to battle here, but serious question... how do you chastize other posters for making stuff up and then post something like this... Totally not cool, dude. I can't name a talented top tier NFL player that Sashi has acquired or traded for?
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Jamie Collins Sr. is the only one we traded for.
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LOL Tab... Ok On offense?
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LOL Tab... Ok On offense?
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I’ll help tabber ...
Zietler was aquired ... NO? ...
Tretter was aquired? ... NO?
Some folks can’t see the forest through the trees ... and these same folks are praising Dorsey for ALL the TALENT he aquired on an established team he took over and is a 500 team today ...
And i am THRILLED with yesterdays development ... sometimes the crap just gets way to deep for me ...
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When can/will Dorsey take his seat and actually start making decisions in the FO? Are there any restrictions that don’t allow him to take charge until after the season or can he jump right at the end of it?
I’ve googled and I didn’t come up with anything legit.
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I hope this guy is GREAT, but before everybody treats him like a Savior over his good draft picks just remember he also drafted Knile Davis 3rd rd Nico Johnson 4th round, Sanders Commings 5th rd, Eric Kush 6th rd, Braden Wilson 6th rd, Mike Catapano 7th rd all in 2013. 2014 Phillip Gaines 2nd rd De'Anthony Thomas 4th rd Aaron Murray 5th rd 2015 Chris Conley 3rd rd Steven Nelson 3rd rd Ramik Wilson 4th rd D.J. Alexander 5th rd James O'Shaughnessy 5th rd Rakeem Nunez-Roches 6th rd You can look at his 2016 and 2017 drafts here https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/draft.htmJust like every GM he has missed on a lot of his picks, and he will miss on some of his picks here as well. Judging scouts/evaluators is inexact. People have unrealistic expectations and arbitrary standards. They'll have it in the positive for Dorsey because he's a 'football guy' and negative for Sashi because he wasn't. Sashi's drafts: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GarrMy00.htmBrowns 2017 1st Round (#1): DE Myles Garrett 1st Round (#25): S Jabrill Peppers 1st Round (#29): TE David Njoku 2nd Round (#52): QB DeShone Kizer 3rd Round (#65): DT Larry Ogunjobi 4th Round (#126): CB Howard Wilson 5th Round (#160): OT Roderick Johnson 6th Round (#185): DT Caleb Brantley 7th Round (#224): K Zane Gonzalez 7th Round (#252): RB Matthew Dayes Chiefs: 1 (10) QB Patrick Mahomes 2 (59) DE Tanoh Kpassagnon 3 (86) RB Kareem Hunt 4 (139) WR Jehu Chesson 5 (183) ILB Ukeme Eligwe 6 (218) S Leon McQuay III Browns 2016 1st Round (#15): WR Corey Coleman 2nd Round (#32): DE Emmanuel Ogbah 3rd Round (#65): DE Carl Nassib 3rd Round (#76): OT Shon Coleman 3rd Round (#93): QB Cody Kessler 4th Round (#99): LB Joe Schobert 4th Round (#114): WR Ricardo Louis 4th Round (#129): S Derrick Kindred 4th Round (#138): TE Seth DeValve 5th Round (#154): WR Jordan Payton 5th Round (#168): OT Spencer Drango 5th Round (#172): WR Rashard Higgins 5th Round (#173): CB Trey Caldwell 7th Round (#250): ILB Scooby Wright III Chiefs 2 37 Chris Jones DT Mississippi State 3 74 KeiVarae Russell CB Notre Dame 4 105 Parker Ehinger G Cincinnati 4 106 Eric Murray CB Minnesota 4 126 Demarcus Robinson WR Florida 5 162 Kevin Hogan QB Stanford 5 165 Tyreek Hill WR West Alabama 6 178 D.J. White CB Georgia Tech 6 203 Dadi Nicolas
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LOL Tab... Ok On offense? And Njoku is going to be a beast. Mark it down.
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I'm not making it up. I said there were "rumors." Heck, they were posted on this very board. I think they are in the Garappolo thread. Go check it out before calling me a liar. Of course this would be your response. I didn't call you a liar.
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I need some crow medium rare heavy on the hot sauce with a samuel adams to drink.
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The Browns have taken a step in the right direction finally. Gives me hope. As for who our QBs will be next year, Kiser will be one of them but I feel better about Dorsey making the decision on the others than Sashi.
I just want a winner. We need players who can be part of the solution not part of the problem.
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Mahomes,Kareem Hunt, Chris Jones, Tyrek Hill
Garrett, Peppers, Njoku, Kizer, Corey Coleman, Ogbah, Shon Coleman,Schobert, Kindred, DeValve This is not a fair evaluation because you don't follow the Chiefs the way you follow the browns. The Chiefs players you mentioned are household names. Not all of the Browns players you listed are. You know them and think they are good players because you watch them every week. You would need to talk to a Chiefs fan to learn of under the radar players they love.
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Listening to the first question asked to haslam and Dorsey, anybody who thought there was still a chance that Hue gets fired after the season should go ahead and move on.
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