DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Time for Hue to go

Now is the perfect time to get rid of Hue, and it makes the most sense.

There is literally no foundation here to build on. The Browns only have a handful of good players and they are all under contract. There is nothing to blow up. No Macks, Schwartzs, or Gipsons on the horizon. If there is one gift Sashi left the organization is he put them in a situation for the foundation to be laid this upcoming off-season. There is currently no foundation. There is literally no fear of roster turnover that normally comes with a regime change. Other than the handful of good players that are under contract, everyone else is a JAG and replaceable.

There has never been a better time to fire a coach and no other coach has earned it as much as Hue. You go into next season with Hue and he's a lame duck coach and you're just postponing the inevitable.

The QB position needs to be blown up and redone...

Huh? You are joking, right? We have an awesome foundation. We have a ton of great players who are going to (or should) be here for a long time. If you don't believe that then you're not paying attention. We have the most players under contract thru 2020 than any other team. There is no need to blow anything up. We need a QB which is the biggest piece. A couple other players and we could very easily win the division next year and be playoff bound. Yes, it is that simple.

Diam, honest question here.

Where do you stand TODAY on keeping Jackson and Coaches?

I'm on the fence right now. I can see keeping it all and go into next year with a TON more talent in both FA and Draft. And a REAL QB. That could be all it takes.

Mr. Rosen. You come here and start winning and you will be WORSHIPPED by this town.

OR, I could see us getting Jackson and the STENCH of losing out of town.

Even if we do go that route, there's really no player blow up. I don't think a Louis, Higgins, Crowell is anything close to a blow up.

Spot on Bone.

If you look at Shanahan and the direction the 9ers were headed up until they got a QB and how much that transformed that team I think the same thing happens here but 1st we have to find that QB !

Right now ... today ...

I’m with U ... i’m on the fence .... i can see the arguments both ways ....

Every day i get closer and closer to hoping he goes ... i have a hard time rooting for someone i have ZERO RESPECT for .... Hue has lost me over the last couple weeks with his continuous running people over with his bus(ses) ...

I wonder what he will say this week ... it almost seems like he wants to get fired .... i wonder just how well him and Dorsey are getting along behind closed doors ....

Once again Dorsey can look him in the eyes and ask why he went away from the run game after half ... we ran the ball 5 times the entire 2nd half .... one of them was the last play of the game and their were penalties on two others .... so we had basically 2 official runs in the entire 2nd half ....

I’m pretty sure he can’t come up with a more assinine reason than he did last week ... “the holes were to big for me to judge how well we were actually running the ball” is what he actually said ...

How do u top that one ....

Apparently Hue is staying according to the new GM.

We can only hope we bring on an offensive coordinator to give us a contrast of hue.

I was in Hue's corner but now I'm on the fence too. I see too many mistakes that happen over and over. I also now wonder how the players feel about him after this past weeks comments. I like Hue and want him to succeed here. I hope it's not too late.

I was also firmly in Hues corner but I have a hard time seeing where he has executed any type of plan. He told us from day one the player has to “flash” his ability and it’s the coaches job to get those players to perform consistently. Yes the players play hard (credit Hue?). I would think they their effort shouldn’t waiver theyre winless and have some personal pride. Play calling and scheming I have no doubt in Hue’s ability here he knows how to attack a defense and I do believe players have to make plays. I also believe you would see signs of a well coached team,primarily a team that executed or shows they are prepared for in game scenarios. I know we are young and don’t expect perfection but we look blind sided in season openers, end of halves, start of the 3rd quarters. This is a basic trend over two years. We our never ever able to capitalize on opportunities or mistakes other teams make. I do believe it’s coaching that doesn’t not have our players mentally prepared to take advantage. We are a team that is constantly
pressing that leads to mistakes. I know a lot of people think this roster doesn’t have talent and I
Can’t argue against that with certainty but games like the jets, titans, and packers are games a soundly coached team would put away. I have yet to see this team play their “best” game where we executed accordingly to our supposed identity. Yes in any one given play is t w Ok be lack of execution and the players are to blame but the broader body of work the complete picture belongs to Hue and the culture he created.

Hue: "Even Diam could have run through that hole".

If our o-line is opening holes THAT big, then I think we should have kept running it.

Bye Bye Hue! GM get us a REAL coach and a REAL Qb!

Honestly - I feel much pretty total apathy toward the team and Hue right now. Give it till February and the interest and hope will come back and re-emerge. It's the first time I can remember that I have felt this way.

FWIW, merry Christmas to us and thinking draft. I am encouraged by Sashi out, and by Dorsey in, and I would be encouraged by an OC added on for Hue to teach some clock management. The sight of Hue and Kizer after a screw-up jawing each other on the sidelines more than once just galled me. This QB thing needs fixed and it does not involve Kessler or Kizer. Kizer had more truly stupid throw it up bad judgment. Second half was almost always closest receiver.

Hang the final loss on him; he has earned it. This loss hurt. Nassib was horrible for this team.
Kizer truly lowered the bar with his individual production.

Bottom line is we are 1-30 under Hue Jackson. We can blame Haslam for hiring Hue and Sashi and DePodesta and the hires before them. Haslam is not going anywhere. We can put it all on Kiser, a 21 year old QB who was not ready to play this year but but far and away our most talented QB. Hue was hired to fix the offense and find us our franchise QB. Instead the Browns have waisted high draft picks and settled for RG3, Cody Kessler, Oswieler and Kiser. While passing on Wentz and Watson and refusing to offer enough in a trade for Garapolo, How much say Hue had in all of this i don't know but his main job was to get or develop us our QB and fix the offense. I am on the fence as to if I want Hue to return or not. I guess that would depend on who would be his replacement. I have been a Browns fan since 1960. I remember watching the 1964 title game on an old black and white TV. I have a lot of great memories of Browns games. Watching this crap the last 2 years is hard. I have seen a lot of waisted draft picks and watched a lot of bad QBs come and go since Bernie. Is our overall talent really this bad? Our offensive and defensive lines are a strength. Our running backs are decent. We need help in the secondary and wide receiver. I think we are average at linbacker. I agree our QB play has been poor but we are relying on a 21 year old who should be watching and learning. To his credit he is tough. I keep asking myself if i have the confidence in Hue to develop our next QB and get this offense turned around. I have read where a lot of fans think Kiser is damaged mentally from this season. Is Hue damaged as well? I don't know. I know if we do bring Hue back for 2018 his seat will be extremely hot. The pressure to win would be greater than it was this year. A slow start and he would probably be fired. I am not sure if he wants to go through that. Talk about pressure. I just find it hard to be optimistic after the last two years. I know i hate changes and most don't want another coaching change but we are at rock bottom. It can't get any worse than 0-16.

j/c

has anyone heard any rumors?

Yes, matter of fact I have ...

Rumor has it were gonna win next week and go into next year on a high note ....

rumor is, we pass for 350 yds, and 3 td's, plus 150 on da ground.

sooo...for us that means like???? idk...17 points?

J/C

I don't think I've ever been so unenthusiastic about the Browns. Hue Jackson and Gregg Williams need to go. They have singlehandedly fielded the team who plays the worst football of all time. They are historically bad.

I can't wait to see some of these players under real coaches.

like wich players?

I heard from Schlefter that Jimmy and Dee are getting divorced be sold to an NFL holding company until a proper owner can be found.

People seem to forget this team made some huge signings to solidify the offensive line this season. Bitonio is back and better than ever. Tretter and Zeitler have had their moments, but overall they've been quite good. I like what I've seen from Shon Coleman and Joe Thomas will be back next year.

This offensive line is why the Browns have two running backs who average over 4.3 yards per carry. Duke and Crow both average more per carry than the likes of Shady McCoy, LeVeon Bell, Jordan Howard, Melvin Gordon, Leonard Fournette, C.J Anderson, Zeke Elliot... and, well, I'm sure a lot of the other players but those are just guys who are top 10 in the league in rushing.

This team should have one of the best rushing offenses in the league, we just need a coach who literally dials up some runs.

As far as receiver goes, we've got talent. Coleman and Gordon should be fun for any OC. Njoku is clearly talented, albeit young. Duke Johnson is an incredible receiver.

As far as the defense goes, I love Ogbah and Garrett, while Ogunjobi continues to impress and Danny Shelton is who he is. Kirksey was snubbed from the pro-bowl while Schobert is a pro-bowler and Collins is a former pro-bowler/All-Pro. So, three pro-bowl level linebackers - the only one who hasn't been to the pro-bowl is, ironically, arguably our best.

Kindred and Peppers are exciting, and Brien Boddy-Calhoun is oddly underrated on his own team. The kid is a phenomenal corner.

We need more talent, no doubt, but I'm so tired of people pretending these coaches are working with zero talent. There just isn't anything about it that is factual. There is more than enough talent for this to be a competitive roster, they are just consistently used in the most embarrassing ways possible.

Any coach worth his salt would be excited to work with this team. It's why Dorsey jumped to sign before even taking meetings with other teams - like the Giants - because it's clear as day to see the talent that is available, and the assets that exist to continue to add talent.

I understand people will make excuses for their guy, but Hue Jackson has squandered his opportunity with a roster that is better than he'll ever have the competence to show. He's held this team back for two years. I eagerly anticipate his firing so we can acquire a real NFL coach.

It might be as simple as Hue knows most Cinnci fans want him in Cinnci and he knows most fans in Cleveland want him to go back to Cinnci..

It seems like a win win for the FO and for Hue...Agree to part ways for the betterment of both parties.

How much of the negative turnover ratio is Hue's fault?

I don't believe it's 0 percent, there has to be some thing that can be done.

If the team is way behind in turnovers, the Head coach, should do something, Something, to address Why that is.

I'm not saying Hue didn't address the fact that they are way behind in the turnover ratio,

but if that's where the team was in week 7, or 8, They are still there in week 16 with one game to go.

I wonder if there was a single game in 2017 that the Browns had more tunovers than they gave up?
I know about the streak of 11 games of forcing at least 1 turnover, that the Browns had on their side, which was longest in the league at the time.

Which says even more bad about that they've been way behind in the turnover ratio all year.

... Who knows.

It's the quarterbacks fault, 19 int's, team 25+ turnovers? If So,

What was the teams turnover ratio in 2016, Kizer wasn't around then.

What is Hue's record, for the Browns, in games where the Browns had a turnover ratio advantage? (Or even Even.)

That would be interesting to know?

sorry bdu, but I do not buy it. you just listed a bunch of players we can build with, many of them brought to us the past two years. everybody knows our front office has been run by a bunch of Harvard educated hacks the past two years. everybody knows they have failed to build a team. so there is no way those players can ba any good. sorry...

You don't have an offense if you don't have a QB. We don't have a QB so to me Hue gets a pass.

You don't have to buy it. Facts are facts if we choose to invest in them are not, so it is of little consequence what we think.

This roster is significantly more talented than 1-31. The probability of losing that much is absolutely staggering. It is a historic run of losing. I've watched teams with half as much talent win 10 games over that stretch. There is a reason that teams with less talent have milked out far more wins, and it starts with the coaches.

All the signings in the world don’t matter when there is no QB.

Hue is a big reason we don't have a QB, last year he liked Goff but because Hue fell in love with RG3 the team was willing to let Goff fall to them at #2 but then the Rams made the trade so that left us Wentz but Hue didn't think Wentz was worth the #2 pick. This year Hue wanted Garoppolo but at the time New England was unwilling to trade him and he liked Trubisky in the draft but he liked Garrett better and he didn't like Mahomes or Watson enough to take them #1 over Garrett either, then Mahomes was taken before we picked again at #12 and Hue wanted Hooker over Watson at #12 but the front office made the trade instead. Which is why we have no QB.

+1000% couldn't have said it better BDU. I get the fact that Hue isn't throwing the ball, catching the ball, blocking, tackling, all that stuff, but damn how is it that nearly 20 years later after we come back our record is worse than an expansion team!

It's just time to cut our losses with Hue. Nice guy but didn't make progress with the team and didn't get results. I just know if we keep him for next year and we start out with some losses (bank on it), then he'll be let go anyways and then we're screwed because no viable candidate would be on the market.

If this article is valid then I'm all for bringing him in

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/repo...nCL7?li=BBnba9I

kizer was our best option at QB but everyone knew he wasnt quite ready. Thats fine, we can work with that. Our receivers arent much, thats fine we can work with that.

You resolve both issues by running a lot of two TE sets and leaning heavily on the run game and using a lot of playaction bootlegs cutting the field down in half and just protect the young man.

No lets come out and throw the ball 70% of the freaking time. Then rip the Qb when he makes mistakes doing things the coach knew he wasnt quiet yet ready to do.

Mangini assembled the worst roster I have ever seen and he finished with 5 wins pounding the football with a much much tougher schedule. Romeo's first year, horrible team that won 7 games.

Part of being a great headcoach is adapting to what you have. Hue can be really good if he has a plethora of probowl offensive talent but his failure to adjust to what talent he has is criminal. You have a very good offensive line and a pair of pretty good running backs.

For 15 weeks I have been yelling at the tv, RUN THE DAMN BALL!!!! 15 weeks we have heard the coach sy i probably should have run the ball more. Yea no crap sherlock. Freaking idiot.

It appears that Bruce Arians could be available.

If he leaves the Cardinals I would guess he's done coaching. I don't think any team would see him as a long term option.

It's not like we'd keep him for more than two years.