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So you think throwing the ball 47 times with a rookie at QB is good play calling? I like Jackson and want him to succeed but that is just stupid. We need an OC calling the plays so we have at least a chance of developing a run game. Especially if we have another rookie starting next season. We NEED to run the damned football and Jackson has shown zero desire to do so. I hope we hire a damned fine OC and let him call the plays. Let Coach Jackson do what an HC is supposed to do. Run the team and make game day decisions. Hopefully, the new OC would know that to win in this division you run the ball.

Not only that, maybe they will be capable of upping the team's effectiveness at running the ball like Kyle Shannahan manages to do (as O-Coordinator)

Hopefully, the days of disconnect in the Brown's organization are in the past.

As far as Flip goes, the Browns ran it fewer times for fewer yards under Flip's guidance than they did this year.

Play calling hasn't been the problem. However, I would like for an OC to come in and handle the duties I described earlier.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...on-john-dorsey/

Offensive coordinator hire could be first pressure point for Hue Jackson, John Dorsey
Posted by Mike Florio on January 3, 2018, 7:59 AM EST

AP
Browns coach Hue Jackson had an offensive coordinator during the 2016 season. Jackson didn’t have an offensive coordinator during the 2017 season.

After the Browns hired G.M. John Dorsey, a report emerged that Jackson will hire an offensive coordinator for 2018. Over the weekend, a report emerged that Dorsey would be hiring the offensive coordinator.

On Monday, Jackson was asked about the report that Dorsey would be hiring the offensive coordinator.

“I really appreciate John’s expertise,” Jackson said. “He has seen a lot of different ways to do things, and I will lean on him for things, but I don’t think John is making a decision on if we are going to have a coordinator or not.”

Jackson also was asked whether hiring an offensive coordinator falls within the responsibility of the coach.

“I would think so, thank you,” Jackson said with a laugh.

That may have been nervous laughter. Jackson may realize that an effort by Dorsey to hire, or at least influence the hire, of an offensive coordinator could mean that Dorsey would have an interim head coach in place, in the event Jackson and the Browns yet again stumble out of the gates. In 2017, the lack of an offensive coordinator meant that there was one less potential in-season replacement for Jackson.

In 2018, the presence of a coordinator means that Dorsey would have someone who could take over, if/when Dorsey finally persuades ownership that, yes, Hue Jackson has significant responsibility for the current state of the franchise. The more influence Dorsey has over the hire, the more likely that the hire will be someone Dorsey envisions as a potential replacement for Hue.

So look for the hiring, or not, of an offensive coordinator to become the first pressure point in the new relationship between G.M. and coach.

I actually like the idea of Ryan from the Texans, feel the work he did with Watson was great, unheard of to come out and produce like that with a rookie QB. Not to mention how he helped with Beckum in New York. The guy seems to have been good wherever he’s been. Not sure if the system would stay the same or not, do the Texans run a similar style offense? This is all assuming that Hue hands him the keys.

Maybe they aren’t working together as much as both have reiterated.

Oh, oh! Trouble in paradise? And so it begins. All on the same page...apparently not so.

I think Dorsey is explaining to Hue how things are going to be from now on.

I didn't think hiring an OC was a maybe proposition. I assumed it was one condition for Hue being kept. Take some of his toys away.

Just...not Zampese. He is a good QB coach but totally overwhelmed as an OC.

I guessing Ryan is a Dorsey choice and Zampese is a Hue choice.

Most likely.

If we hire an offensive coordinator and he has play calling responsibilities, then I think it will be pretty obvious what happened.

I'm not sure having Zampese calling plays would be an upgrade.

If he's hired he won't be calling plays. It will be a face saving hire with no real substance.

J/c

I don't think the media does a good job of explain the actual role of an offensive coordinator. And because the media doesn't understand/explain those roles I think many fans equate offensive coordinator=playcaller despite the fact that an OC has many important responsibilities outside of playcalling that have a huge impact on gameday.

If Sean Ryan becomes the OC it will be a HUGE benefit even if he isn't calling plays.

I agree with all of this and that's not really what I was talking about (I know you weren't necessarily responding to me). It is behind a paywall, but ESPN the Magazine wrote a pretty good article on Greg Knapp in 2011 describing his job as offensive coordinator of the Texans (where he didn't call plays).

http://insider.espn.com/insider/story/_/...h-steelers-game

To clarify my post, I think there is probably, at least a little bit of, a power struggle going on between John Dorsey and Hue Jackson. My bet is that Dorsey wants Jackson to give up some of his front facing duties (mainly play calling) because it will show that Dorsey is truly in charge and Jackson answers to him. Jackson is trying to do the opposite, maintain and/or grab some more power.

I don't know enough to speculate on the rumored power struggle between Dorsey and Hue. Can't comment on it, don't know about it. From what I've read it seems media driven. The media are outsiders looking in.

Hue knows not having an OC was a mistake. Hue said he would think about bringing on OC. Sean Ryan is supposed to be coming in for an interview.

Right now the situation with the media/some fans is toxic and they're gonna find things to pick at. But the fact that they are looking at OCs is imho without a doubt a good thing.

Zampese is a reject from Cincy. Hue can't bring in that flunkie. Didn't he get fired after maybe 2 games?


Hue is wanting to buy games. I think if we aren't 2-3 after 5 games, he is done..

https://twitter.com/KeithBritton86/status/948651808947400704



100% agree.

Sashi is gone and he will not be rehired even if the Browns fire Hue.

Hue is going to be the coach next year.

Dorsey and Hue have both said they want to work together.

All of the negative, hateful spin by a handful of posters is not going to change that.

Yeesh. Please tell me Hue Jackson isn't trying to hire an OC in title only while maintaining his own vice grip on the play calling?

He's a total idiot. He surely can't think we're going to be fooled by that?

We'll quickly see by the hire just how much control Hue has over what's happening.

No doubt he will be the coach next year.

I think it is more than a handful of people.

What they have said and what will happen are two different things. We are already seeing pressure points being pushed over this OC hire.

I don't want some flunkie brought in here allowing Hue to call plays through him.

I want a real OC

Agreed. This Zampese guy has already been fired. Word has it he lost all confidence from the Bengal's Offense.


Why would we want that guy? I'd rather have an up-and-comer. Hopefully Zampese is just being evaluated as an assistant or for QB coach or quality control or something

Can you be sure McClain is right about Sean Ryan wanting playcalling duties? It seems like an odd demand for an OC candidate interviewing for a promotion.

Also, getting back to my point about the actual responsibilities of an OC vs the perception. It seems most people are gearing themselves up to be upset if they bring in an OC that isn't the playcaller.

In essence media/fans don't really care about the OC. They just don't want Hue to call plays anymore. And its not the same thing.

Even if Hue remains the playcaller having an OC will be good. But fans in this thread/forum will hate it.

Better yet, he will be rejected.


Hue says he gets it...he needs to get there is a new way of doing business and he is officially on notice.

I hope he makes it, that is good for me, the fan.


Somebody needs to put a number on it for the guy.

Im okay with this. I'd rather him have someone else call the plays, but i'm okay with it.


I just don't know if i like the idea of this guy who got fired two weeks into the season with the Bengals being the candidate Hue selects

I seriously doubt that the new OC will be the play caller. That would be moronic.

I have described what his duties should/will be. Deny my opinion if it suits your perspective, but we'll see who ends up being correct.

I think a handful of you posters believe that the Browns are going to operate like Sashi is still here. He's gone. We have real football people in the FO now. They will not be dumb enough to undermine the HC. I believe they know the importance of working together.

I was just throwing it out there because it was something I saw. Also, McClain is one of the better reporters out there and I don't think he would say something like that flippantly.



Agreed. There are some people I will be more happy about and some less, but in the end I think any person who takes some of the load of off Hue Jackson will be a good thing.



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Agreed again.

Man, for a Hue Jackson thread, people sure love to talk about Sahi Brown.

I thought it was an OC thread?

Wait, I never realized we had an OC in 2016, who was it?

I think he is referring to our passing game coordinator, Pep Hamilton.

Wasn't Pep, passing game coordinator/QB Coach/Assistant Coach or something like that?

That's who I think the author was refering to as well.

I don't think it is going to operate like Sashi is here.

He isn't here. I think it is going to operate like Dorsey is here....a football guy where the GM is over the head coach.

A system where the OC is the OC....the way football guys operate.


If we hire Hue some assistant to follow him in lock-step, how is that hiring a OC.



You coached football. Why would you as a up and commer want a job where you are simply signaling in Hues calls, or running his O for that matter? How do your make your name and mark doing that? Did Hue do that?

We are in different worlds, peen. And that's fine.

Hue got hired because of his offensive prowess. He was the hottest candidate that year and was far and above any of the guys who are available this year.

Hue did not get dumber.

I don't want an OC to come in and call plays. That would be stupid.

I want him to perform OC duties. ed has brought this up. Do some research if you don't believe us.

I did coach football. I was an OC for a Wing Tee offense because that is what my HC ran. I also was an OC for a team that ran the Wishbone. I also was the QB coach for a team that ran more of a pro-style offense.

I ran what they wanted me to run and tried to put my own stamp on things.

I am hoping we are done w/the likes of guys like Farmer, Lombardi, and Sashi and that Dorsey is going to be the guy that will work w/his HC. I think all of the early evidence [despite what a handful of posters are saying] is that these guys are going to work TOGETHER!

And I could give a rat's ass if some of you are going to be butt hurt that we are finally on the right path!

Btw..............Happy New Year, bro!

I agree he was a good coordinator. So was Chris Palmer and Pat Shurmer.

The history of the league is full of great coordinators who failed as head coaches.

Hue is a blocked kick away from 0-32

Man, for an OC thread, people sure love to talk about Sashi Brown.

Do they? Or do they wanna bash Hue? Wanna count them up, Ham?