DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hue part 3 .. he’s here to stay ...

I've always kind of felt that our 6 divisional games should be the only games we focus on. I figure if we can get competitive enough to handle business here, we'd be able to handle business elsewhere.

At least John Dorsey knows he made a mistake.

That’s a good way to look at it, especially since lately those 3 teams are always getting into the playoffs.

Hue called essentially the same games this season as he did last season. He wen from one win to none. He did not get fired. What impetus does he have to not do the same thing next season?

I wish John Dorsey would just say what he means and then stand by it, even if there is some backlash. The team doesn't have enough good players, he will address that, Hue will have to do a better job coaching than he has, and we should win the division. What is wrong with this?

The other approach is more of a process driven one... e.g. get better every day. I kind of like that better anyway, but if he's going to talk about the future then I don't think second place in the AFC North is what to strive for.

I wish John Dorsey would just say what he means and then stand by it, even if there is some backlash. The team doesn't have enough good players, he will address that, Hue will have to do a better job coaching than he has, and we should win the division. What is wrong with this?[/quote]

He said the team doesn't have "real" players. His excuse was that he is not a wordsmith.

Every team should be trying to get more good players, but saying the team doesn't have "real" players is a slight to all the players.

He learned from Sashi...Hue would have used it against him later anyway!

We just went 0-16, a year after going 1-15.

If we have real players, then why the heck did we keep the coach??

It is speculation. But, and not to make this about Hue, but who does the inefficiency of execution actually fall on? The coaches or the players? I can understand players not executing, it happens, but when it happens all season long doesn’t coaching carry some of that blame? Just a question. The truth is I don’t know if Hue is to blame or not. Or if it truly is all on the players. But like I’ve said I didn’t like Hue when we hired him and for me he’s done nothing to change my mind. But that’s me. He was a hot commodity, even if I didn’t understand it, when we hired him so maybe he is worth keeping. But if we go throug something like this again next season with another rookie QB and still have a young roster are the ones on here who don’t like Hue suppose to give him another pass next year too? Just a thought.

They're good questions. This is kind of what I was trying to get at in my post above, even if that was needlessly harsh.

My thoughts are basically:

- The roster is not very good. This is the result of the last front office as well as previous GMs.

- Despite the roster not being very good, it's still the NFL. Every team has talent and good players, including the Browns. A good coach could have won a few games this year, in my opinion. A similar thing could be said about 2016.

- It's hard to know exactly what went into the decision to keep Hue around. It is pretty strange on the surface, but the Haslams obviously have more info to work with. They are also the ones who got the Browns in this mess to begin with, so I don't know how much stock to put in this.

There is also the amount of years left on Hue's contract and the size of the buyout, but this is not public info. I don't think the owners would be very thrilled to pay 8 figures for a guy to not coach at a time when the NFL's business model is showing some cracks.

I agree, and I’ll add, I’m a little sceptical about the whole “Dorsey and Hue working together” thing. It very well could be they are but there have already been to many nuggets in the media to suggest this may not be the case. But I guess we’ll see. I just really want to see something on the field that I can be proud of as a fan, it’s been far to long us being the laughing stock of not just the NFL. but of all things football.

Keeping Hue seems to be the first time Haslam is trying to save a buck.

Wah....

According to the he was out-coached 75% of the time.

That figure is way too low.

I am all for the Browns winning. I have questioned Hues playcalling, especially his disdain for the running game and all the lack of discipline on offense. Way too many penalties. But Hue is our coach and I hope he can prove he is the man to get this turned around. The pressure he will face will keep mounting if he stumbles. I hope Dorsey and Hue are on the same page. They need to get the right veteran QB in place no matter the cost. No more shopping in the bargain basement. RG3, 3rd round Kessler, 2nd round Kiser. Have some balls and go get the man you want.

Sashi's and Depodesta's plan was doomed from the start. They valued in order, saving money, acquiring draft picks then winning. The thinking Hue could develop any QB was also a mistake. That is one reason they failed to draft one high. Now Shashi is gone and Dorsey will be using all the draft picks and cap space to build a winner. Hopefully Dorsey has learned the lesson Sashi and Depo failed to learn. You better win now because tomorrow is not guaranteed.

Funny though how many were so convinced Sissy and Departdestas plan was so awesome and great are now Pro Dorsey.

This really isn't true but I can see where some are going to want to hang their hat on this. It's over now regardless how you slice it, but if we win games within in the next couple years and make the playoffs Sashi's plan worked and we didn't fail as some want to believe.

The Plan was working and it is now up to Dorsey to finish it off.

What I meant was Sashi doomed himself for not getting a QB like Wentz or Watson when he had the chance instead he settled for less and now someone else has his job.

Why is Dorsey keeping Hue?

Someone else has his job and has been handsomely set up to finish that job with a flourish. I can understand why Sashi was fired but he really set the table for the future of our Browns. Now it's time for someone to serve a great meal so to speak!!!

It’s not Dorsey’s choice according to reports. Both report directly to Haslem.

And there in lies the problem.

No doubt.

The Browns have just one win in two years. The Plain wasn't working.

Or that was the plan.

The W/L weren't part of the plan. It was obvious we weren't going to win a lot. But we won once in 2 years. The worst ever stretch in the history of the NFL.

I think 5 picks in first 2 round was a part of the plan. We also have a lot of great pieces and young talent on the team. I think in that regard a lot of people will say the plan was.... going as planned.

1 and 31 is your definition of "working?"

A few more wins were expected, but bad coaching wasn't part of the plan.

Are you trying to start another fight, Deputy?

Sashi made the plan. He blew up the roster. He admitted that we were going to lose a ton of games.

None of that is an opinion.

Agree. If hue could have won a few games Sashi most likely would still be here. Hue hasn't done a good job. Let's hope he improves or he won't be here next year.

Sashi made the Browns bad, but HUE made the Browns 0-16 and 1-15.

Yes (although more accurately Podesta made the plan), he did and yes Hue signed off on that plan when he signed on.

Everyone expected to accidentally win a few games along way though. Nobody planned on the poor coaching that followed including Hue.

It is simply just stating a fact. I know you don't agree but that doesn't make it any less of a fact.

If anything, I think the part of the plan that backfired was giving Hue control of the QB position. Hue not wanting Wentz @ #2 has proved to be detrimental to the plan.

That and Hue's other QB decisions since he's been here. He has game managed a few losses for us as well. Ironically his panic to throw anything against the wall to try and get a win has caused a few losses.

I don't want to Hue bash, because the situation is what it is and Hue is only a small part of it. I think we should have won more games in his tenure, we were damn sure in a lot of games until the end. With that said, I think my two biggest issues with the Hue situation is that he has to be second guessing himself on everything by now and he should never have stuck with kizer all the way through. I actually think it might have ruined Kizer and would have been better if it was one of the others he could have more easily cut.

He has game managed 31 losses, which is not few..

I honestly fail to see anything good in him... 2 full seasons and he has nothing to show.