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He tried to run from the cops, to me that’s a little bigger then just getting drunk. Some people are gonna give him a pass on it and that’s fine, I’m just not one of them.

I'll be real clear.............I believe the comparisons to Manziel are unfair.

I believe that because Manziel had a ton of more talent than Mayfield has. They are similar players, but Manziel could play ball. Dude was awesome. His personal life got in the way of greatness.

But make no mistake, Mayfield isn't a pimple on Manziel's ass in regards to talent.

Other way around. Mayfield is far more talented than Johnny. I loved Johnny but Mayfield does just about everything better than Johnny. Stronger arm, more accurate, reads defenses, much better leader. Johnny was only good at escaping. Johnny was a backyard quarterback, Mayfield is more structured. Johnny can't hold a candle to Mayfield.

yeah, okay.

Good rebuttal.

My problem is that he couldn't escape the cops. I get that he was in a drunken stupor, but those cops looked like they spent more time at Dunkin than at Station.

If you get he was in a drunken stupor then you know his motor skills were completely shot and he probably thought he was running like speedy gonzalez instead of elmer fudd.

Drunken kids turn into Reggie Bush every weekend in the college towns across the nation. I've seen dudes the size of William Perry take off like a Gazelle.

So you can't pass a field sobriety test walking a straight line but you can run as fast a Reggie Bush? Is that into a light pole?

Okay the picture in my mind of William Perry as a gazelle is really funny!

Edit: I was never interested enough before to even watch the arrest video. So I just did. Baker only got 3 steps, hardly enough time to build up any speed, when glazed donuts took him down because he had the angle on him.

A really stupid decision but a drunk 21 year old making a stupid decision isn't that shocking.

The Oklahoma game vs Georgia,
Oklahoma's D was giving up 16 yd runs multiple runs in that range in the first quarter, and mostly didn't stop the run all day.
If Mayfield's not there that games not even close.

EO... you like Mayfield and that’s fine, and I’m not defendind what anyone has said to you about him, I personally don’t like him all that much, just MO on him.

His arm is adequate, don’t know if I’d say he has a big arm but it’s goid enough. The offense he plays in is very QB friendly and he’s got some weapons there that will play on sundays. I don’t like that offense he comes from, those guys do struggle for the most part when they get to the nfl. The biggest thing for me is the arrest and how he acts on the field, he just tends to be very arrogant to me. And I’m not just talking about the Kansas game. Just not sure I’d want that type of kid to be the leader of our team.

I know it sounds like I’m attacking the kid but I’m not trying to, it’s just my take on him. But I’m very critical of all the QBs. Every year. The last QB I ever really liked and didn’t have a lot of questions on was Wentz. You may very well be right on him. I won’t tell you your wrong. You have your take I have mine. I just hope whomever we draft turns into something.

Reads defenses? Calm down.

Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Oklahoma run that offense where they check with the sideline before taking the snap? You know when you see the QB look to the coach?

Yes. Mayfield can read defense. Shocking, I know.

Fake news.

And you can prove this how?

I feel I need to clarify my position after reading this.

I was talking about Mayfield not taking standard 3, 5, and 7-step drops. He hasn't been asked to do that.

I was also talking about him drifting much too deep when there isn't that much pressure there.

I was talking about him throwing off balance at times and compared some of his throws to a baseball throw. Watch some videos [and yes, they can be highlight videos] and see how he has a propensity to end up w/his back foot in front of his lead foot at the conclusion of his delivery.

I was talking about him mostly throwing into wide-open windows.

I was talking about him not standing in the pocket long enough at times.

These things will all have to addressed when he goes to the NFL. He will be a project that is going to need time to develop. I think he would be a risky pick in the first round, especially given his character concerns.

I have never knocked his arm strength or accuracy in throwing to open receivers. I think he does some good things w/his feet, such as pivoting both at the same point to stay balanced. Pretty good triangle. I also have no problem w/his upper body mechanics, although I didn't study those because I was so busy watching his feet.

I agree with both U guys ... *L* ...

Your 100% right .... he has flaws with his feet .... he has no timing or rhythm in his throws as far as X number of steps and get rid of it .... he has no clue what a 3-5 or 7 step drop is everything he does is hodge podge .... he moves out of the pocket way to quick way more than he should ... hes also very hard to evaluate with the wide open windows he throws to and the number of “gimmicky” throws he makes .... he also throws off his back foot and fading back way to much ....

He has his warts ...

As u admitted and tabber has said all along there’s no denying he’s very very accurate ... and as bone has pointed out many times he can only run the offense he’s asked too .... its not his fault hes in a BS offense to evaluate NFL QB’s in .. *L* ...

He does run it very very well ... and he is very accurate .... DESPITE all his “timing issues” in his drop steps and release times he is in SYNC WITH HIS RECIEVERS .... and thats the timing that counts ... despite the fact he throws off his back foot and fading back he gets the ball to where its suppose to be going and he gets it there accurately ....

I agree with both U and tabber in that no way do we draft him at #1 ... NO WAY ...

And given what I’ve seen of Rosen (still haven’t watched Darnold yet) there’s no way I’d pass on Rosen at #1 to take Mayfield at #4 with the unknowns about Mayfield (through no fault of his own ...) and his height ....

He’d be OUT OF THE PICTURE for me ....

I wasn't upset at all. I was giving my opinion on the players.

Your act is old.

HAven't watched a lot of Mayfield. Missed the tOSU game and only got to see a little of the game vs Georgia last week. There was one play that really impressed me in the 1st half of Georgia game. He actually moves the safety with his eyes to open up the receiver that he eventually completes the pass too.

tab.........I was making football comments. You made it personal. Please stop.

Yes, I believe Mayfield to be the most accurate passer in the draft. He's also the most efficient within the pocket. If he doesn't have a stronger arm than Rosen it's pretty darn close.

I think if you want your quarterback to look the part, there's no doubt Rosen is your guy. I think there's a lot more than just looking like a quarterback. I don't think Rosen can hold a candle to Mayfield's heart. Rosen is rumored to be in this just for the money. Not something I want from my #1 pick.

In my mind Mayfield and Rosen are the top 2 as they both can start right away. If Dorsey isn't high on Rosen I can see the debate for us being Darnold vs Mayfield.

I'm curious to see how this unfolds.

I think he can make throws but I’m very skeptical of him being a film junky and setting himself apart mentally and therefore his inability to wow me with his play making ability or rise to the occasion against Georgia makes discouraged. I was more surprised at how his coach did not put the ball in his hands to win but that could be a criticism of the coach or an indictment on the player.

It's a new year and just after Christmas....it's nice that civility has continued into the new year. JMHO, Mayfield is to much like Johnny for me- I'm old school, don't want him representing our brand. Rosen scares me due to his concussions and thin frame, he won't last as long as Johnny did before being hurt....Donald or maybe OSU....I trust Dorsey and company...I'll back their pick at QB....would love Smith on team....GO Browns!!!!

The board is poorly moderated.

I couldn’t disagree more.

You are correct. There are no sure things.

I'm trying to buy into your idea of Darnold as I feel that could be the pick.

Mayfield for me is simply the better pick. I still view him as the best in this draft.

Darnold at 1 Mayfield at 4. Sounds silly but we need a qb. Let's hedge our bets.

Rosen at 1 and Jackson at 4 is what I've been secretly advocating.

Keep Mayfield. Trade Darnold/Rosen to the team that drafted Fitzpatrick, obtaining him and a future pick. Lovely...

I cannot think of something that would make less sense.

Mayfield was wearing a jean jacket at the last OKC Clippers game.

That should seal the deal for undraftable.

Tune in next week for another exciting episode of Drafting by Fashion, where stats are for losers and film is for geeks.

It gets funnier. As George was walking off the court, Mayfield was trying to shake George's hand, and I don't think George knew who he was.

Another dagger in the undraftable column. Looking like a moron.