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Of course, Dorsey is no longer in KC... but I think him drafting Mahomes bodes well for drafting Mayfield.

Do you think it is important to understand how he carried himself with his teammates? Do you think his statement about not wanting to go to the Browns matters?

I can remember two guys that were really close (according to the experts) and it was a toss up on who to draft. One guy named Manning. The other named Leaf.

I think it DOES matter on what you find out about these guys behind the scenes and not just what you see on tape. I just want to know if any of that matters to you when you posted your opinion. I love Rosen on the field. I do have concerns about his concussion history and his comments about not wanting to be in Cleveland. Thanks.

The fundamental problem with Hue is that he seems to force a system on his players instead of applying his player's strengths and abilities into a system that develops around them. Square peg - round hole theory. If this continues, it doesn't matter who the Browns draft or sign in FA (in my opinion).

I think character matters, but I've actually done some research and just don't accept rumors as fact. I don't think there is a problem w/his teammates. His coaches praised him in that regard. Mora was just on TV w/in the last week or so talking about it.

Myles Garrett wanted the Cowboys to draft him. Big deal. Rosen will play here if we choose him number one.

I think all of that stuff is making a mountains out of molehills.

I think several Teams will interested in # 4 if their QB is sittin there .. Lot of trade talks at that point in the draft

I'm surprised everything in your life doesn't bode well for the Browns drafting Mayfield

It doesn't. Are you surprised?

Yep. I would've thought you would have turned to reading tea leaves and staring at comets for a sign

I'm more old school in that regard. I'm just going by what the tarot cards tell me...

I think that we could get a decent haul and not move down any further than #5 (Denver) or #6 (NYJ).

I think Dorsey not liking Rosen's personality is a very probable situation.

I get the feeling that Darnold will wind up being our guy.

Darnold fits the timeline better. The team needs to win games next year. Sign the veteran QB, play him for a year, win six games, and then bring in the rookie in 2019.

Josh Rosen doesn't need to sit, Sam Darnold does.

The problem is what happens if we start out horribly. Coaches often force a QB into action too early to try and create a spark to save their job (Jeff Fisher/Jared Goff in 2016, for example). Darnold really needs to sit a year.

I'm pretty sure it's going to be Rosen. The Browns were seen here in draft prep.

Did I miss this comment from Rosen. Cause I don't miss much. Can't afford to in my Business.

Show us a DIRECT QUOTE where he said the Word CLEVELAND.

Sorry, when I said "NFL ready" what I meant was that what he did at UCLA more easily translates to a traditional NFL offense.

j/c:

If we pass on Rosen because we don't want to start him because we need to win games next year and take a project ..........ehhhh.........I won't be on board w/that.

I am hoping that people are overthinking things. I think the Browns should just take the best qb and that is Rosen. I don't even think it's close.

I'm all in with mayfield of course, but I also believe our #1 pick will be Darnold.

At this point I don't think Rosen is a factor for us, but that could change.

it's funny how you and I have agreed so much over the years when it comes to QB's. I'm not shocked that this year is any different.

In fact, I think you and I have only disagreed on Jabaal Sheard vs Kruger and the TJ ward thing.

Yeah, we have agreed on the QBs a lot.

I remember the TJ thang, but not sure about the Kruger/Sheard thang. What did we debate about on that front?

I don't think having a vet will have anything to do with starting a rookie week one. It has everything on how they look in that first camp.

Mechanically, Rosen is about as good as a prospect as you can get but that doesn't mean he'll be ready to start week one. NFL speed is at a totally different level than in college and some of the best QB's out there took quite a bit of time to get used to it. I'm still debating on which QB I'd prefer, but I'd be hedging my bets with a decent Vet QB either way if my job was on the line.

Don't let your potential draft choice scare you away from a decent Vet and don't let your Vet scare you away from playing your draft choice if you think he's ready.

Ok, here’s a question, maybe there is no answer. Say we went QB at #1 and were now on the clock at #4. We want Fitz but Den comes calling, saying they want to move up to our spot for a QB. Allen or whoever. Can that be part of the trade, that they must go QB if they swap with us? And not just tell us they want QB so we trade and then they take Fitz instead, knowing we wouldn’t trade if we knew what they were really going to do.

Or is that just a risk you take with a trade?

A risk you have to take. I've not heard of anyone, at least publicly, giving assurances of who won't be selected.

Cap, outside of Rosen and perhaps Darnold, there is not a qb worth drafting in the top 4. I actually would not draft Darnold in the top 5. I gotta study it a bit more, but he seems like a 6-10 pick. I could be wrong about that.

Rosen is clear-cut number 1.

Darnold might be 2? Might be top 4? Might be top 10?

No one else should be considered in the top half of the first round.

With that said, some team might make a move to draft for Allen in the top 12 or so.

I am thinking it’s Darnold. A player has no value if they are in the concussion protocol.

I misspoke.

It was not you who disagreed with me over the kruger signing vs sheard. So.. we have only disagreed once that I can recall.

It's cool, my man.

I guess the question you have to ask is if we go back to the 2012 draft do you think anyone would draft Russell Wilson instead of RG3 with the #2 pick. If the answer is no, then yes, the only two quarterbacks worth drafting in the top 4 are Rosen and Darnold.

I'm leaning toward Darnold too now. I'm worried that Rosen might be a hit in the head away from being vegetable soup.

If the team checks him all out and is okay with the concussions, I won't complain, but since Rosen isn't going to show up to my house for a quick CAT scan I'm going to go with what I know.

Hindsight is 20/20 and the Browns went Weeden!

Wilson went around 100 so there is a lot of egg on the faces of front offices.

The question of a pick is not what others did, it is how did your pick perform?

J/C

Dorsey doesn't have a decision with the first three picks.

#1 QB.
#4 Minkah Fitzpatrick.
#33 Sony Michel.

Don't @ me.

I would take Barkley if he is on the Board. The best defense happens when the offense is on the field.

I don't think Hue will want Rosen due to his lack of an accurate deep ball but then dorsey might like him as a Alex Smith type QB.

I think he chooses Darnold because of his Brett Favre style of football but with just a weaker arm.

Then again some sites have my boy Mason as the #1 pick because he has the most accurate deep ball in the entire draft or even in the past decade. It's one thing to have a big arm but quite another to do so at such a high level of completion. It's just unheard of.

It will be fun to see what happens in FA because that is what will determine who we draft.

That wasn't the point.

Did you accidentally type in Rosen's name?

Take this answer with a grain of salt because I am going from memory of something I heard a couple years ago.

I was listening to sports talk radio. The show had a former GM on. I think it was Mark Dominec but it could have been Bill Polian. Whoever it was got asked that question. He answered that the team trading up would not tell you the specific player that they were going to draft but that they would tell you if they were going to draft an offensive or defensive player.

The follow up question was, couldn't a team tell you one thing then do something different? The reply was, they could but then no one would ever trade with them again.


Again, this is from memory from a few years ago but I feel pretty confident about it.I have a pretty good memory when it comes to things I am interested in remembering and this had been a question I was wondering about as well at that time.

I think that this would be my ideal scenario.
Add in a Wr with one of the other 2nd round picks, and there should be a few good ones to choose from.
Then add a guy like Kevin Tolliver Cb LSU and Mitch Hyatt OT Clemson

I know I am just dreaming. Joe Thomas is the only guy we have taken that I really wanted us to take. But hey, reality is so bad that we have to dream, right?

BILLS