DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hue part 3 .. he’s here to stay ...

Hue is great and everyone around him sucks. Pretty good gig this guy has.

The talent of some of the positions improved while others got worse. Namely the quarterback room. In 2016 our qb's threw 14 picks, this year they threw 28. The turnover differential was -28, for perspective the next closest team was -17. It's unreal.

Hue Jackson was hired on January, 13th 2016. Only three coaches remain from his original staff. He fired basically the entire defensive staff after his first year and, nearly, the entire offensive staff after his second year. He hired all of them. Did he hire the wrong coaches or were they just bad coaches? If they were bad coaches why did he hire them? If you were a coach would you want to work for Hue Jackson?

Well...the defense did improve significantly after he fired the first staff. Maybe the offense will do the same next year.

Hue may be waiting for the playoff teams to conclude their seasons.

I am no fan of Hue, but I think it needs to be fair. Lets wait and see what happens before we come to conclusions, and speculating isn't fruitful. Let's just see what happens.

Dare I say this sounds like Lewis in Cincy? _______________***** That's me running away. Lol

I just get frustrated. I hope Hue does a better job of hiring help the 2nd go around. I REALLY DO hope Hue is here for a good long while. That means something is clicking and we are winning games.

Here's what I'd like to know and maybe it's been revealed and I missed it. Who's driving the changes? Dorsey? Hue? Haslam? Is it a general consensus? This isn't meant to bash anyone but is it being forced on Hue and will it breed contempt? Is it being forced on both Hue and Dorsey? I don't know but it's the one thing I haven't grasped...whose opinion on the team going forward is whose? Where do they stand? I know they'll claim untited front but I'm not sure it'd be the truth. Dang that's alot of questions!

I have disagreed with a lot of Hues playcalling and I think he talks too much sometimes. I have thought that Hue is a little soft with his players. Very little consiquence for mental mistakes. With that said, Hue is the coach of my team and I am a Browns fan first and foremost. I am die hard. I know everyone makes mistakes and Hue has made his share. I am counting on him learning from those mistakes in year 3 and nothing would be better than Hue getting us to the playoffs. Finding his QB is most important so if Hue feels there is a veteran he likes more than the rookies in the draft then we must get him that QB. Hue knows he has to win so I would give him the QB he will live or die with. I am hoping Hue is our coach for many years to come. Same with our front office. That would mean we have become winners.

Hue has worked with the 2 position coaches we just signed. I would guess that he would have added Zampese and Henry right out of the gate, if they had been available.

I am shocked that he fired Kirby Wilson. I think that he got a lot out of the run game .... even though we hardly ran the ball.

Hue has to throw Kirby under the bus or more people will ask why he didn't run the ball more.

Let's look more at why he shouldn't be fired. He's been strapped with the youngest roster in the NFL without a QB.



As if trying to improve the coaching staff is a bad thing?



You claim it's improved but there's very little evidence of that. If it has, it was with a bunch of rookies that still haven't adjusted to the speed of the NFL.



No, this is your version of the truth based on what you perceive the facts to be.



Having a say doesn't mean those above you are listening and basing the decisions on, "your say".



Here's the bottom line to a lot of this. IF the roster is improved, the players are so young and raw their potential has not yet been reached. And no matter how much some of you continue to whine, none of us knows what went on behind the scenes. Unless someone is a compete moron, they have to realize that there are reasons that Sashi was fired and Hue was kept.

And anyone who thinks it was just, "Well Hue was the football guy and Haslam likes him better", has to be a compete fool.

Hue is our coach whether or not everyone agrees. We need to get behind him because if he is successful all Browns fans will benefit. If he is not then he will be gone. I am tired of new systems, players, coaches and front office people all coming with a 3 to 5 year plan. I like Dorsey's plan, win now and Hue knows it.

Makes sense...but didn't we just learn that Hue has turned over all but (3) coaches in two seasons? You (and I) are tired of new coaches, yet that is exactly what we are getting but for Hue and two other guys. I hope Hue is getting what he needs to be successful...however, my confidence is low because I think he is in way over his head.

Some were let go at the end of last season .. mostly defensive coaches, when Williams was brought in. This year Tabor wanted to return to Chicago, and some offensive changes were made. It is not as though everyone was cut this past week.

So why not improve on HC at the same time? Trying to improve on the 1-31 HC is a bad thing?

So which available candidate would you improve the HC position with?

I understand that...but an all-but-three-guys turnover in 2 years is not continuity.

Except Marvin Lewis rarely fires anyone. He had the same staff basically his whole time in Cincinnati (Ken Zamepese is one of the only guys he's ever fired, others have left when their contract ran out (Paul Gunther) or have been hired as head coaches (Mike Zimmer, Jay Gruden, Hue Jackson).)

One that's on a playoff team perhaps.

That's coaching, if the turnovers are that bad the coach is supposed to recognize WhY it's happening, and change something to Stop it.

The list of openings is long and the list of candidates is short. Even IF we could land a respectable one it would still be just another coordinator who has never been a HC or failed as a HC. Sticking with Hue is the smart move.

You do realize that is a question for Haslam, right?

The only thing he could change is the QB but with Kessler behind him that's not really option is it?

Time will tell. Wasted two years with him already why not three it's the Browns way!

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/12/8/16742...els-mike-vrabel

Buffalo Bills: DC Leslie Frazier

There aren’t many candidates on the Bills staff, but Frazier has had some success as a head coach before.

Frazier has already served one term as an NFL head coach from 2011 to 2013 with the Minnesota Vikings. He was 21-31-1 on those seasons with a postseason loss. Frazier was hired on an interim basis in 2010 before assuming the full-time job the following year. He had one season at 10-6, turning around a team that went 3-13 in his first season, which led to Coach of the Year votes and a fourth place finish. He couldn’t sustain that success and was fired just one year later.

Since then, Frazier has had two stints at defensive coordinator for the Buccaneers and now the Bills and hasn’t interviewed for a head coaching job that we know of. But if you look at Buffalo’s staff, there aren’t a lot of up-and-comers.

For more, check out the entire entry at Buffalo Rumblings.
Denver Broncos: Interim OC Bill Musgrave

Mile High Report hopes the Broncos keep him as OC next year.

Bill Musgrave actually has a more recent history of innovative offensive success. When he has a quarterback with talent. Musgrave took the Oakland Raiders Derek Carr and turned him into a Pro Bowl quarterback in an offense that exploded onto the scene in 2016. After he left, the Raiders and Carr haven’t been the same.

I say keep Musgrave around in 2018 and give him a quarterback that actually has NFL talent. In fact, why not keep most of the staff and actually give them the tools at quarterback they can work with?

For more, check out the entire entry at Mile High Report.
Minnesota Vikings: OC Pat Shurmur

Yes, he went only 9-23 as the Browns head coach ... but he also still won nine games as the Browns head coach.

What Shurmur and his offensive coaching staff have done with the Vikings’ offense this season has been pretty incredible to watch. The injury issues and personnel changes that crushed this team a year ago are all being taken in stride, and while this year’s Vikings’ offense isn’t going to be mistaken for the 1998 team or anything like that, they’re doing an outstanding job of doing what they need to do, given that they’re more often than not bolstered by a great defense.

For more, check out the entire entry at Daily Norseman.
Seattle Seahawks: Assistant head coach/OL coach Tom Cable

Cable had a stint as the head coach of the Raiders before joining the Seahawks.

So, depending on how the remainder of the season plays out, not just for the Seahawks but for the rest of the league as well, those Seattle fans who have been clamoring for the organization to have someone, anyone in charge of the offensive line other than Tom Cable may just get their wish.

For more, check out the entire entry at Field Gulls.
New Orleans Saints: DC Dennis Allen

The former Raiders coach has been Sean Payton’s right-hand man since taking over for Rob Ryan.

The Saints defense has been one of the talks of the NFL in 2017, and it’s not by mistake. When you fix a wretched defense that was just laughable to watch during the past three 7-9 seasons, you’ll definitely turn some heads and have some interested parties.

For more, check out the entire entry at Canal Street Chronicles.
New York Giants: Interim head coach Steve Spagnuolo

The Giants already put him in charge on an interim basis, and he’ll be considered for the permanent gig.

The 57-year-old Spagnuolo was head coach of the St. Louis Rams from 2009-2011, compiling a poor 10-38 record. He has, however, had success with the Giants as a coordinator and is a popular figure in the organization.

For more, check out the entire entry at Big Blue View.
Tennessee Titans: OC Terry Robiskie

He’s on the Fritz Pollard Alliance list of candidates, but Music City Miracles doesn’t think he should be.

You could interest me in George Edwards or Steve Wilks, but let’s be honest, Terry Robiskie doesn’t belong on this list. His offense is vastly under performing the talent and expectations it had coming into the season. Robiskie has a 3rd-year quarterback in Marcus Mariota who has regressed in a season where he should have taken a huge step forward. How does that make you a person that deserves a shot a becoming a head coach?

For more, check out the entire entry at Music City Miracles.
Pittsburgh Steelers: OL coach Mike Munchak

He’s got a good enough resume that he should be fielding calls.

Munchak has everything an owner would want in a head coach. He was a Hall of Fame player, has head coaching experience, is loyal to a franchise and has done a tremendous job turning the Steelers’ offensive line into one of the best units in all of football.

Someone tell me why Munchak shouldn’t be getting some interviews? The only reason I can fathom for him not being considered for some of these potential openings would be if he simply doesn’t want to be a head coach anymore.

For more, check out the entire entry at Behind the Steel Curtain.
Oakland Raiders: OL coach Mike Tice

Silver and Black Pride put it to a reader vote, and Tice has the edge.

Tice in particular was once given his shot at being a head coach in Minnesota. That lasted five seasons, ending in 2005 and he hasn’t gotten another opportunity since. He was an offensive coordinator in Chicago for one season in 2012.

For more, check out the entire entry at Silver and Black Pride.
Names you hear every single year

What would a head coaching search even be if these guys weren’t connected to it?
Detroit Lions: DC Teryl Austin

Is this the year a team does more than flirt with Austin?

While Austin has had his fair share of issues this year, he’s undoubtedly the Lions coach with the best reputation. For the past few years, Austin’s name has continually come up in the head coaching carousel as other teams look to fill their vacancies. In 2016, Austin scored interviews with four different teams—though he only believed he was a serious candidate for two. Last year, the Chargers and Rams requested interviews with the defensive coordinator.

Though we’re still a month away from the annual coaching searches across the NFL, Teryl Austin is already being named as one of the more prominent candidates to score a promotion.

For more, check out the entire entry at Pride of Detroit.
New England Patriots: OC Josh McDaniels

Every January, the one-time Broncos coach is one of the most sought-after names in the NFL. The Patriots’ staff has other coaches who could get attention, too.

We already know offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is going to be the hottest ticket for the third straight offseason and reports are already connecting him and Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio to the Giants jobs ... and defensive coordinator Matt Patricia will be one of the top five options, especially after this year’s defensive turnaround.

Leading the league in interceptions thrown by a wide margin is clearly the coach's fault.

First off it's due to extremely poor player preparedness.

But suppose a coach has no choice (QB's #1, #2, & #3 are unable to play).

You've got to develop a game plan that minimizes turn overs.

There are ways for a coach to minimize interceptions given an absolutely terrible quarterback.

Interceptions are game breakers.

Did Hue fight more for Osweiler, or RGIII, or McCown to come back, or stick around when they had the chance in the last 24 months? >> If he did, he didn't make it public.

There's a ton of things . Heard of players have to carry the ball around for a week while the team tries to make them fumble.

Changing things in plays, and protections, and limiting the options of a Qb to throw an int.

Studying what happened this time to stop it from happening again.

The Browns forced at least 6 fumble from the Steelers once, but at least the steelers used 4 different running backs, so changing the player out is an option.

If it keeps on for 10 weeks, or 2 years, you had better be trying different ways to address it over that time.

Maybe have the qb not throw the ball as much or at all..

Oh That's a surprise.

I got an idea, Why not simplify the offense down to where somebody can understand it or get them the way off of the team! (Maybe that would stop turnovers)

Or, If a player has the ball during 3 turnovers in a game, they're benched for a game and a half?

I don't know. Do you?





I saw the Program with James Caan and Omar Epps too....cool movie.



Do you have any idea what your talking about?



Doesn't sound like it worked.



No passing attempts in a game...that WOULD be a surprise. I'll bet it would really catch them off guard.



I think it was simple enough...opposing defenses would agree.



We tried that. Enter Kevin Hogan...didn't work.

Take this however you want.....

A bad coach will win the best roster in the league. A good coach will not go 0-16 with the worst roster in the league. Where does this team and Hue fall in that equation?

I’ll pose this question, if we draft a QB at 1, he goes out and plays just as bad as Kizer, will Hue be given snother reprieve? I mean you have to play with the hand your dealt. Felt Hue had enough talent on this roster to win at least 4-5 games, IMO he has shown me he can’t do that. But then I never wanted him to start. But he’s here so I’ll hope for the best but I already do t have high expectations for next year.

But, if you think about it.
With 3 in the front office, the Gm,
3 position coaches, and a large part of the roster probably, again, changing over, The tear down, reboot, and rebuild, (even from this past season), is under way.

A few notable names on there like McDaniels who would never come here but most are guys like Shurmer, Defilipo, special teams and position coaches? C'mon man they are all crap shoots.

Guys like those two who are play-calling OC's and candidates for HC positions are never coming here; it essentially would be a demotion.

He's had 6, and one of them McCown, came back around to beat him this year.

That’s something I don’t understand, we’re all being told that Hue is staying because we need continuity, then we overhaul the FO, which I felt was needed, then Hue overhauls his coaching staff, which I felt was needed, being told the roster doesn’t have talent so expect an overhaul there, to an extent. So I ask the Browns as an organization where is the continuity you keep preaching about? I mean that’s part of the reason Hue was retained, right? You can’t have both. Retain Hue for continuity and overhaul everything else. No rhymn or reason to what’s happening.

Hue said he would only give up play calling to someone who has done it before, but posters on the board are thinking he is waiting for someone who is on one of the playoff teams. Why would an OC on a playoff team make a lateral move to OC the Browns? So basically Hue has set it up no one will meet his criteria so he won't have to give up play calling...sneaky!

It sure doesn’t look like Hue wants to give it up, that COULD very well be his own downfall. And more importantly to me result in another poor season of football.

Hue is an experienced playcaller. Why in the world would he give up calling plays to some newb just to do so. I can see him hiring and OC, teaching him the system so they are running HIS system and the players stay in the same system, and THEN letting that guy call plays after he has earned it.

I have no problem with that at all.

sounds about right to me..