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I don't think Haley would be a good fit w/the Browns. He's smart and talented, but the last thing the Browns need now is a contentious voice in the building.
I am of the opinion that Sashi and Grigson are gone in part due to their unwillingness to work cooperatively w/others. You simply can't have a situation where the main guy in the FO and the coaching staff aren't speaking to one another.
I think the new FO and coaching staff have both addressed the importance of working together. I don't think Haley is the right guy to add to that mix. Can you explain that comment? I am not in argument here....I just don't get your take. I don't study asst coaches. What is it that makes him a bad guy......not that I am saying he is a good guy.
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Nope. I already told you I'm not interested in discussing w/those who constantly hijack every thread and make it a Hue thread. Maybe you can talk to Vambo about it.
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Vrabel will be the next HC of the Titans. Very happy for him!
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Vrabel will be the next HC of the Titans. Very happy for him! I'm happy for him but surprised... one year as a D.C. And thwt year was underwhelming,,.. I know he had a lot of injuries to deal with Andy a lack of talent,,. But I am surprised he got a HC gig this year... I figured he needed another year or two
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Vrabel will be the next HC of the Titans. Very happy for him! He better get some good assistants.
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The 2 most important hires he'll make are OC and QB coach.
He should make a run at Sean Ryan.
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The 2 most important hires he'll make are OC and QB coach.
He should make a run at Sean Ryan. This is interesting and it's exactly what I would try and do: New Titans’ HC Mike Vrabel’s offensive coordinator hire is significant, and....Ohio St. co-offensive coordinator Ryan Day is considering becoming the Titans’ OC, according to league sources.
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cfrs, turn and look at your wall and make the same argument. You get the same results. The wall you are arguing with here is made of brick. It's always fun to prove someone wrong to the point of silence. Only you really didn't. You never really do. I just get tired of going around and around with someone who can't seem to listen to anything other than what he's already convinced himself of. There's no point. Anyone who thinks being a straw man rather than brick really has nowhere to stand.
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cfrs, turn and look at your wall and make the same argument. You get the same results. The wall you are arguing with here is made of brick. It's always fun to prove someone wrong to the point of silence. Only you really didn't. You never really do. I just get tired of going around and around with someone who can't seem to listen to anything other than what he's already convinced himself of. There's no point. Anyone who thinks being a straw man rather than brick really has nowhere to stand. I just want one example of a scenario like this working. GM (Sashi Brown) and coach (Hue Jackson) are hired at the same time. GM (Sashi Brown) is fired, the coach (Hue Jackson) stays. A new GM (John Dorsey) is hired and is forced to keep the coach (Hue Jackson). Just one example. I'll give you several, off the top of my head, that didn't work. Hue Jackson with the Raiders, Jim Caldwell with the Lions, Mike Mularkey with the Titans, Eric Mangini with the Browns, Leslie Frazier with the Vikings, Marty Schottenheimer with the Chargers (fired after a 14-2 season!), ... ...
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cfrs, turn and look at your wall and make the same argument. You get the same results. The wall you are arguing with here is made of brick. It's always fun to prove someone wrong to the point of silence. Only you really didn't. You never really do. I just get tired of going around and around with someone who can't seem to listen to anything other than what he's already convinced himself of. There's no point. Anyone who thinks being a straw man rather than brick really has nowhere to stand. From the A.J. McCarron thread: I'm just looking at the history of the NFL and how they address the QB position. What is the NFL history of this scenario? I just want one example of a scenario like this working. GM (Sashi Brown) and coach (Hue Jackson) are hired at the same time. GM (Sashi Brown) is fired, the coach (Hue Jackson) stays. A new GM (John Dorsey) is hired and is forced to keep the coach (Hue Jackson). Just one example.
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Oh, in the end I don't think it's going to work. Best case scenario Hue makes it through next season. I'm just tired of people whining like Junior High School girls when mommy won't let them go to the school dance.
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Oh, in the end I don't think it's going to work. Cool. Me either. Which is I don't think it is wise to try and force something and waste a year.
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Maybe we are serious in hiring an OC...if we want a good one they will want to hire their own staff. Possibly we respect our guys to not fire them later on when most teams have their staff already made up.
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That's fine. But one thing you may wish to consider. Ever since Haslam has owned this team, the entire FO and coaching staff has been a revolving door. If I were a HC candidate I certainly wouldn't pick Cleveland as a place I'd want to land if given the choice.
Dorsey and the people he has assembled seem to be fairly well respected across the league. Maybe giving Dorsey a year to gain more talent and giving Hue that third season can build an environment where we can land a better coaching candidate next year than we can now.
Sticking with Hue for another season may be exactly what we need to do in order to draw a coaching candidate that can actually right this ship.
I mean with this QB room, these WR's and this O, who do you actually think would want to come here? Would a qualified HC candidate with good odds of success even want to come here? Hopefully the talent level will get better and if you give Hue another year, every candidate will see that he will be given a chance and the time to succeed.
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Sticking with Hue for another season may be exactly what we need to do in order to draw a coaching candidate that can actually right this ship. That is a horrible reason to stick with a coach. That's fine. But one thing you may wish to consider. Ever since Haslam has owned this team, the entire FO and coaching staff has been a revolving door. If I were a HC candidate I certainly wouldn't pick Cleveland as a place I'd want to land if given the choice.
I mean with this QB room, these WR's and this O, who do you actually think would want to come here? Would a qualified HC candidate with good odds of success even want to come here? Hopefully the talent level will get better and if you give Hue another year, every candidate will see that he will be given a chance and the time to succeed. I think we could have gotten basically any head coach we wanted. We got Hue Jackson, who was one of the hottest names out there, after firing a coach after two seasons after firing another coach after one season. There are are only 32 of these jobs, they are all prestigious. Furthermore, the roster is bad in certain areas, but the team also has a ton of cap space and a ton of (high) draft picks. Any coach would love to be able to put their stamp on the team with those assets. Dorsey and the people he has assembled seem to be fairly well respected across the league. Maybe giving Dorsey a year to gain more talent and giving Hue that third season can build an environment where we can land a better coaching candidate next year than we can now. I think the main reason we would be able to get any coach we wanted is because of John Dorsey. Like you said above, he is well respected across the league. I think many potential head coaches would have loved to work with him.
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Ever since Haslam has owned this team, the entire FO and coaching staff has been a revolving door. How has this changed with Hue? Last year he fired the entire defensive staff and this year he fired the entire offensive staff, (other than Bob Wylie, the leaker still has his uses for next year) and special teams staff. He worked hard at getting the FO fired and had to recruit his daughter, his reporter buddy, and the leaker to help him out.
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How has this changed with Hue? Last year he fired the entire defensive staff and this year he fired the entire offensive staff, (other than Bob Wylie, the leaker still has his uses for next year) and special teams staff. Also, Bob Wylie replaced some other guy who was with the team in 2016.
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On O it didn't change the verbage or the system. On D we actually improved.
Your FO and HC is what people, well, most people look at. When it comes to on the field, the HC runs the team.
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On O it didn't change the verbage or the system. On D we actually improved.
Your FO and HC is what people, well, most people look at. When it comes to on the field, the HC runs the team. And the HC is the only thing left. There is no continuity on the current team. If we sign Haley who runs a totally different offense than Hue, are you certain that the verbiage isn't changing?
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Sure? No. But when looking at the math I would say it stays the same. I mean you have half the team players on O. So the choice is to have one man change his verbage or teach half of the entire team learn new verbage. It seems there's a fairly logical and common sense conclusion to that.
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Lot's of things you could argue but math would be a bad choice.
The math says 1-31 and 0-16 are bad records. The number of late plays calls that delayed the game also suggest that a change is needed.
I would agree that changing the verbiage for a bunch of young players is a bad idea if it's done without reason, but game results suggest that there might be a reason.
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Vrabel said in his press conference that his job was to...
"Accept responsibility, give credit, and be decisive"
{sigh} Wouldn't that be nice.
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That's fine. But one thing you may wish to consider. Ever since Haslam has owned this team, the entire FO and coaching staff has been a revolving door. If I were a HC candidate I certainly wouldn't pick Cleveland as a place I'd want to land if given the choice.
Dorsey and the people he has assembled seem to be fairly well respected across the league. Maybe giving Dorsey a year to gain more talent and giving Hue that third season can build an environment where we can land a better coaching candidate next year than we can now.
Sticking with Hue for another season may be exactly what we need to do in order to draw a coaching candidate that can actually right this ship.
I mean with this QB room, these WR's and this O, who do you actually think would want to come here? Would a qualified HC candidate with good odds of success even want to come here? Hopefully the talent level will get better and if you give Hue another year, every candidate will see that he will be given a chance and the time to succeed. Maybe they want to hire Haley and figure once hue goes 0-4 they can bump him up and still pay him OC money lol
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Vrabel said in his press conference that his job was to...
"Accept responsibility, give credit, and be decisive"
{sigh} Wouldn't that be nice. @CameronWolfe
Mike Vrabel on how much college scheme will come into play for him: "The NFL has the greatest farm system in the world. We pay those coaches $10 million to be our farm system. Nick Saban is our farm system. Urban Meyer is our farm system."
Yikes! But truthful.
Interesting quote from Mike Vrabel: "We're not going to run it into 8 or 9 guys. We're not going to be silly." He said he wants to use a bunch of play action, RPOs, read option. Scheme flexibility.
Wouldn't that be nice!
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Is Vrabel going to steal Sean Ryan from the Texans?
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Is Vrabel going to steal Sean Ryan from the Texans? It would be a good choice for him given what he wants his offense to be. Ryan likes the RPO's and play action.
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#Browns and [former #Steelers offensive coordinator Todd] Haley are close to agreeing on a contract, and he should be named their first offensive coordinator under Hue Jackson,” per Mary Kay Cabot ... Courtesy Browns Town USA (Facebook)
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#Browns and [former #Steelers offensive coordinator Todd] Haley are close to agreeing on a contract, and he should be named their first offensive coordinator under Hue Jackson,” per Mary Kay Cabot ... Courtesy Browns Town USA (Facebook) 
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Finally the Browns get a coordinator who has a resume of excellence and results
Great hire
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#Browns and [former #Steelers offensive coordinator Todd] Haley are close to agreeing on a contract, and he should be named their first offensive coordinator under Hue Jackson,” per Mary Kay Cabot ... Courtesy Browns Town USA (Facebook) Dilly Dilly
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Finally the Browns get a coordinator who has a resume of excellence and results
Great hire We, very recently, had Norv Turner and Kyle Shanahan.
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Is Vrabel going to steal Sean Ryan from the Texans? There was a rumor he was going after Ohio State's offensive coordinator.
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I never thought I'd see the day when Pat Shurmur would get another head coaching job: https://twitter.com/Giants/status/955572327500087296His work with Case Keenum (and Sam Bradford last year) got him this job. Good for him.
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And the HC is the only thing left. There is no continuity on the current team.
Do you even understand the meaning of continuity when it comes to football? The HC is the only thing left???
ONLY what about philosophy? What about meetings being held,
what about practices, What about language?
Who says Haley won't incorporate Hue's play book with his own?
Williams is still here right so I don't get the continuity that is lacking.
Lets see we need some improvements on the team.
The rebuild is over...now its time to win.
HC Hue
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We are looking to get this. Continuity does not mean you don't go out and improve. It was said from Go that we were going to go out and get a New OC even Hue said it. Its moving forward in direction.
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Just win.
Congrats on this new gig.
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