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I'm guessing you don't understand value?

McDonalds calls their dollar menu "great value" but it's three bites of sugar bread and a conglomeration of mixed might-be-meat with some cheese made out of plastic. It's about as appetising as spreading your morning BM on rice crackers.

I think by "value" you mean "inexpensive." We're taking about a 3x Pro-Bowler who averages 100 catches (On 141 targets) and 1,000 yards per season. Those guys are barely hanging on to roster spots.

1. Landry - A+. We get one of the best slot receivers in the game. A guy who still feels like he has a lot to prove. Best move of the year.

2. Tyrod - C+. I like Tyrod. I think he is a great game manager, but he is tentative. I like guys that are going to strike fear. maybe he will get a little more aggressive with the weapons he will have now. He will come here to groom a QB, that's for sure. He is an upgrade to Kizer, and with just him and Landry, we would have won multiple games last year.

3. Randle - A - I love this trade. I think this was the best move for us and Kizer. Randle can play guys, he just needs to get his head straight. Williams and Co. can do that. Along with guys like Kirksey and Collins. I think he will play FS. Kizer will be sent to a great situation that he needs, being able to sit behind Rogers and LEARN. Good for him. I hope he makes it. He seems like a great kid.

4. Shelton D- . I am a big Shelton fan. He did a lot of the work that no one gets credit for. But I think with Ogji and Caleb coming alone and progressing like they did, that's why they traded him. However I love the depth we had, and I think this was a bad move. He was constantly taking on 2 guy and opening things up for others. However, I did see a stat where Ogji played 28% of the downs to Sheltons 44% and he had 2 less tackles than Shelton.

TT is better than QB we have ever drafted since 99. So to say hes worth less than a 3rd is just, well....dumb, when we have wasted how many higher picks on bums in the past?

Also, if you wait until he is cut, then you have to negotiate against him as well as other teams. and There are a lot of teams that would be trying to sign him. If he doesn't pay out, we are off the hook -if we would have tried to sign him, we would have probably had to sign him for multiple years.

You want to compare Higgins and his 33 catches in two years to Laundry?

Not quite the value I meant.

I don't think the Browns have had many if any WR with 100+ reception. So I understand this is a great move in many minds.

The off-season is always the best time to be a Browns fan. A+ for keeping us hopeful.

1. Landry Trade - A ... If Gordon can stay on the roster and we sign or trade another impact WR, I think we'll look back at this trade as a steal for us.

2. Taylor Trade - B ... like everyone else, I think the 3rd was steel, but I like the trade overall.

3. Kizer/Randall Trade - B... If Randall can live up to his potnetial this is a solid A. If not, it may be a C.

4. Shelton Trade - B... I didn't like this trade at first, but the more I read on it and how he didn't really fit into William's d, the more I mellowed out about it.

Truth!

Travis Benjamin is a burner who gets thrown a couple bombs a game. I believe Marquise Lee is the same. Not sure about Thielen. So just using % completions for first downs is beyond misleading.

Landry is a slot receiver security blanket. He's a third down-type guy that makes his paycheck catching the clutch passes to extend drives. Comparing him to 3rd 4th WRs that are only used to run down the field and/or don't have the greatest hands (because not catching passes would actually help this particular 1st down stat) doesn't make sense.

I was comparing Landry to other slot receivers in the league. I wasn't comparing him to 3rd and 4th receivers. Lee, Theilen, Benjamin, and Wilson are the primary slot receivers for their respective teams.

j/c

I'm not as concerned about what these trades cost the Browns as much as some. We have an almost obscene amount of capital to improve the team, and Dorsey is putting that to use. Generally, and more specifically to the Taylor trade, making these trades before free agency starts, signals to the available players that the Browns are no longer the least attractive place in the NFL to sign. If that works, and good players with other options sign with Cleveland, that capital spent on these trades will have been well worth the cost.

kwhip...
one more... Kirk Cousins.

Viable point... and like I said maybe Tyrod and Landry are perfect for each other. We can be glad that Haley is now in charge of the offense. Let's rock and roll.

I am serious, this team should push for the division title.

Pretty bold statement there and especially coming from a down to earth poster like yourself. I dig upon the optimism though, bro. I'm not at the level to say divison title, but I will say we should have taken not only a step forward... but a mini leap.

I don't disagree... We should be right there, our division isn't as great as it was 4-5 years ago.