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I don't think he realizes he brings it in himself. It was actually a good post, but the "I think people are overrating him" comment was inducing argument. If you eliminate that comment, he probably doesn't get the argumentative replies.
1. I think Njoku could and should be our touchdowns leader in 2018. He's going to be an incredible mismatch and should be difficult to cover in the red zone.
2. I don't think 3 dropped passes in 60 targets is excessive. He probably doesn't have the best hands but he's no slouch.
3. Njoku is still fairly new to the position. He's super young, a bit raw, and incredibly athletic. This was a "Sashi pick" I wasn't crazy about, but he's grown on me. I think he made strides last year and believe he's going to be a stud.
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Joe Banner once said that neither team would tell who they were interested in, plus there would be no way to enforce a "verbal handshake" anyway. Daniel Jeremiah presented a theory for why there have been more trades this off-season than previous off-seasons; he said that many of the GMs nowadays have either worked with each other or are friends. Before teams were always skeptical with one another because they always were trying to swindle the other team (just look at the Jimmy Johnson trade value chart). With all that said, I think GMs today are less likely to lie to their counterparts because they want to keep the relationships with them good because they will want to make a deal in the future or for future employment or they don't want it to be awkward when they see the guy out on the road.
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Is that accurate? 3 in 60?
Jeezuz, I'm so used to drops it just assumingly goes across the board. Is assumingly a word? Lol.
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I agree with everything u said .... now the question becomes ... Does he fulfill any of his potential and if so how much of it does he fulfill .. and the potential is MASSIVE ... skies the limit for this kid ... 1st question is does he become consistent and learn how to play the game .... - does he take the time to learn how to become a good route runner .. to learn the nuincases of coming in and out of breaks ... u know what i mean ... - does he take the time and study the film and seek out advice from his peers on how to read zones and get open in them .... If he works hopefully doing those things will put him in position to use that incredible atheletic body he has .... the fact hes working with TT and others is a REALLY GOOD SIGN he’s willing to work ... lets hope thats not all he’s doing ... Then it becomes a question of how good his hands can become .... as u pointed out he makes some incredible catches ... that means his hands can be “soft” sometimes .... then theres the drops ... witch was his MO from college .... Is it concentration or is it bad hands? And if it is bad hands .. willl they become good enough to make the drops tolerable .... This is a HUGE OFF SEASON for him ... Can u imagine the plays Hue and Haley can design for him if he becomes consistent with his route running and learns how to get open .... One thing i haven’t seen talked about much is the OFFENSIVE BRAIN POWER we have in that room .... Hue and Haley are awesome enough ... then u add in Ken Zampese ... thats an awful lot of EXPERIENCE and OFFENSIVE BRAIN POWER ... And they now have some toys to play with .... lets see how big a part this toy allows himself to become ... Good Luck David ... WE NEED U .... 
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It's assumingly so... Drops
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It's assumingly so... Drops that site has kenny britt with two drops lmao. wonder wich of all the drops they counted as drops?
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The kid is still so so young. And he got open a lot last year. Some of my biggest Kizer disappointments came on passes to Njoku...the kid is a miss match and probably will be our best DEEP threat as the season goes on!
jmho Our best? I dunno. If Josh Gordon can play, it's hard for me to imagine Njoku beating out Gordon as our best deep threat. But Njoku is a matchup nightmare for opposing teams. I think Haley will be great for him too. Teach him how to block well and improve his route running. He's got a shot at becoming a really top-notch TE. I can see Njoku being really effective on intermediate post, go and fade routes from the inside, like Gronkowski (the king of these kinds of routes). Gronkowski has an incredible ability to find the soft spot in zones (and to read Tom Brady's mind to get there). It's probably what makes them the best tandem in football. Those kind of 20 yard routes
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When I stated Best Deep Threat. I was including the fact that Gordon would probably get doubled and somebody over top.
My "Best DEEP THREAT" comment was that he was going to have the best Miss matches, A SS who cannot cover like a CB nobody over top. Or a LB who just won't be able to keep up with him.
ergo my claim he will be our best Deep threat. I too would think Gordon would be our best if he has one on one coverage. But the great miss match will be with Njoku!
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I'd do that with the understanding they in fact agree on drafting a certain player... When making trades for picks team do not disclose the player they are targeting. When trading from 2 to 1 I think there could be a understanding. I get it most other times.
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Joe Banner once said that neither team would tell who they were interested in, plus there would be no way to enforce a "verbal handshake" anyway. It's a small club these people belong to. A handshake deal means something. You'd have a hard time dealing with anybody if you said one thing and did another.
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Is that accurate? 3 in 60?
Jeezuz, I'm so used to drops it just assumingly goes across the board. Is assumingly a word? Lol. Yes and no. It might be accurate if one looks at web site that charts the drops, but we started tracking drops during the season and it became obvious that what they think is a drop and what we view as a drop are two totally different things. The number of drops for all receivers [not just Njoku] is far short of what those sites claim.
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Drops, uncatchable passes are subjective.
What we can agree on is we didn't complete enough of them.
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Joe Banner once said that neither team would tell who they were interested in, plus there would be no way to enforce a "verbal handshake" anyway. It's a small club these people belong to. A handshake deal means something. You'd have a hard time dealing with anybody if you said one thing and did another. I agree. The conversation would be something like: Dorsey: Are you interested in moving up to 4? Elway: Possibly. Dorsey: Who for? Elway: [Harrumph!] See here John, this sort of thing simply isn't done! We have no obligation ... Dorsey: Do you want the pick or not? I have Buffalo on hold ... Elway: Josh Allen. Dorsey: We get your #5 and your 2018 3rd rounder, you get Allen. If you renege, I'll tell the world your word means nothing. Elway: Deal.
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1. I think Njoku could and should be our touchdowns leader in 2018. He's going to be an incredible mismatch and should be difficult to cover in the red zone.
2. I don't think 3 dropped passes in 60 targets is excessive. He probably doesn't have the best hands but he's no slouch.
3. Njoku is still fairly new to the position. He's super young, a bit raw, and incredibly athletic. This was a "Sashi pick" I wasn't crazy about, but he's grown on me. I think he made strides last year and believe he's going to be a stud. I loved this pick and think he's going to be great. He is definitely raw, and as Diam pointed out, he will need to put in the work to get there. If he does, he'll be a beast. One thing we need to consider concerning past performance is who was throwing to him. I imagine a good QB will eventually fall in love with his size, speed, and mismatch ability. If Njoku starts getting easily catchable balls that allow him to catch on the run he will be unstoppable.
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Joe Banner once said that neither team would tell who they were interested in, plus there would be no way to enforce a "verbal handshake" anyway. It's a small club these people belong to. A handshake deal means something. You'd have a hard time dealing with anybody if you said one thing and did another. I agree. The conversation would be something like: Dorsey: Are you interested in moving up to 4? Elway: Possibly. Dorsey: Who for? Elway: [Harrumph!] See here John, this sort of thing simply isn't done! We have no obligation ... Dorsey: Do you want the pick or not? I have Buffalo on hold ... Elway: (Player's name) Dorsey: Nope. That's who we want, and we're taking him at 4, I guess. Elway:  (secretly happy because their player will be there at 6) These guys aren't out to screw anyone, but they also aren't out to help another team. Teams make trades because of the value the trade creates for their team, not because they have to know what player the other team is taking. I'll try to find the exchange when I get back from church this afternoon.
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Buffalo is the wild card. Denver doesn't know how much or little the Bills *might* be willing to give up for the QB that's left at 4. The whole thing could only happen IF both Denver and Buffalo really want the QB who's left at 4. IF they are both vying for the #4 pick we have, the price goes up. Its the economic law of scarcity.
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Buffalo is the wild card. Denver doesn't know how much or little the Bills *might* be willing to give up for the QB that's left at 4. The whole thing could only happen IF both Denver and Buffalo really want the QB who's left at 4. IF they are both vying for the #4 pick we have, the price goes up. Its the economic law of scarcity. Don’t rule out the giants trading down with the donks if the guy they want is not on the board ... there staying at 2 for a qb ... if there is only one they want and we take that one ... they can trade down to 5 and still have a shot at Quan, Chubb or Nelson ... I dont see them doing anything but taking a QB regardless of witch one we take .... either Sam or Josh are great picks .... not sure how u pass either of them up ...
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I agree with everything u said .... now the question becomes ... Does he fulfill any of his potential and if so how much of it does he fulfill .. and the potential is MASSIVE ... skies the limit for this kid ... 1st question is does he become consistent and learn how to play the game .... - does he take the time to learn how to become a good route runner .. to learn the nuincases of coming in and out of breaks ... u know what i mean ... - does he take the time and study the film and seek out advice from his peers on how to read zones and get open in them .... If he works hopefully doing those things will put him in position to use that incredible atheletic body he has .... the fact hes working with TT and others is a REALLY GOOD SIGN he’s willing to work ... lets hope thats not all he’s doing ... Then it becomes a question of how good his hands can become .... as u pointed out he makes some incredible catches ... that means his hands can be “soft” sometimes .... then theres the drops ... witch was his MO from college .... Is it concentration or is it bad hands? And if it is bad hands .. willl they become good enough to make the drops tolerable .... This is a HUGE OFF SEASON for him ... Can u imagine the plays Hue and Haley can design for him if he becomes consistent with his route running and learns how to get open .... One thing i haven’t seen talked about much is the OFFENSIVE BRAIN POWER we have in that room .... Hue and Haley are awesome enough ... then u add in Ken Zampese ... thats an awful lot of EXPERIENCE and OFFENSIVE BRAIN POWER ... And they now have some toys to play with .... lets see how big a part this toy allows himself to become ... Good Luck David ... WE NEED U .... Both this post and the one Vers made are right on target. There's no doubt this kid has HUGE "potential". It just oozes from him! We've seen players across this league either reach that potential or fall far short of it. That is yet to be determined. While he is a physical freak his current shortcomings are obvious for anyone willing to look at it. It's not hard to see why people get excited about the kid. It's also not hard to see why people realize that he's very much a work in progress and that the jury is far from out on how this story will end.
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I really think that Landry is going to have a huge year. I think he will be among the league leaders in catches and make another return to the Pro Bowl.
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Especially with TT at QB ... I’m no fan of TT but if Gordon can stay clean he’s got mad ass weapons .... and we may not be done yet ... i’m No fan of Bark at 4 and think he’s overrated ... but there’s no denying he’d help any O ... he’s ELECTRIC ... I will have Landry on all my ppl fantasy leagues ... hes gonna be a MONSTER .... He’s a tougher runner than folks think ... i really like this guy ... he’s PERFECT FOR US ... Man ... Hue and Haley and Zampese designing plays for all these guys ... MY OH MY ... Its gonna be a FUN YEAR ... weather your still ignoring me or not ...  ...
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I really think that Landry is going to have a huge year. I think he will be among the league leaders in catches and make another return to the Pro Bowl.
He is exactly the type of receiver we have been missing for years. My question I've been waiting on is, what are we doing to extend his contract? Cause Landry is a solid young player. He'll be a big asset to Tyrod Taylor and any young QB that we draft. We've got Josh Gordon for this year and next year. After that, if needed we can franchise him. Otherwise, there's no high cost receivers. Hopefully we get the ball rolling on a long-term deal
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I don't think he realizes he brings it in himself. It was actually a good post, but the "I think people are overrating him" comment was inducing argument. If you eliminate that comment, he probably doesn't get the argumentative replies.
I think the argumentative replies come from those people who are overrating him. 
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Joe Banner once said that neither team would tell who they were interested in, plus there would be no way to enforce a "verbal handshake" anyway. Daniel Jeremiah presented a theory for why there have been more trades this off-season than previous off-seasons; he said that many of the GMs nowadays have either worked with each other or are friends. Before teams were always skeptical with one another because they always were trying to swindle the other team (just look at the Jimmy Johnson trade value chart). With all that said, I think GMs today are less likely to lie to their counterparts because they want to keep the relationships with them good because they will want to make a deal in the future or for future employment or they don't want it to be awkward when they see the guy out on the road. None of that addresses the possibility of a team changing their mind on their pick once they've traded into a slot. New information can change minds. For instance, the Jets may have, I don't think they did, tell the Colts they want to take a QB. But then they get new information that makes them rather pick B. Chubbs instead, exactly who the Colts wanted and didn't worry about the Jets taking Chubb 'cause they said, QB. It's best for everybody to not disclose who they intend to pick.
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What about Ricardo Lewis. He got a invite.
The guy is a beast.
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What about Ricardo Lewis. He got a invite.
The guy is a beast. I was surprised he got one, but SEC guy connection maybe?
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Could be. I didn't think of that.
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What about Ricardo Lewis. He got a invite.
The guy is a beast. They're all in Miami during the offseason. Duke, who is also in Miami for the offseason, but he wasn't there though.
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Landry can really work the sideline. He has great hands and he has the keen ability to get his feet down quickly. The play you showed is an example of that.
I think a lot of Brown's fans are really sleeping on this guy.
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Landry can really work the sideline. He has great hands and he has the keen ability to get his feet down quickly. The play you showed is an example of that.
I think a lot of Brown's fans are really sleeping on this guy. I'm very excited. Honestly, at 4 I want Saquon Barkley above all at this point. More offensive firepower. Like the triple threat offense that we had with Chudzinski with Braylon, KW2, and Jamal Lewis. Josh Gordon working the top of the defense like Braylon did, Landry working underneath, like Winslow did, and Barkley kicking butt, like Jamal Lewis did. Winslow was the key that year. God he was so good. I think he's still my favorite Browns player. Without the knee injuries and staph, Winslow would have been in the HOF, just my opinion though. Maybe Njoku can be our Joe Jurevicious to top it off
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I remember when we played NE and Bill Belichik ranting on the sideline about "they have one guy who can beat you...." He was talking about KWII.
It's a damn shame that career never got to live to its fruition.
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It's a damn shame that career never got to live to its fruition. Tell me about it. One thing after another. In that draft I really wanted Sean Taylor and Ben Roethlisberger. i was a big Big Ben fan. Loved this guy from Miami (OH) just dominating football games. That's why I hate when people compare Josh Allen to Big Ben. It's like, No. Not even close. Anyway, yeah, first the onside kick in the cowboys game. Then the wheelies on a motorcycle. Then the staph infection. It was one thing after another. Didn't he end up getting a tattoo on his junk (or a piercing there) and staph on that too? And so many guys got that staph. What a nightmare. KW2, Brian Russell (who we never should have let go. He was so underrated), Braylon, LeCharles Bentley. I mean it was like a freight train of staph. EDIT: But Winslow came back like a hero. I remember Braylon saying in an interview once, "You guys don't get it. He really is a soldier" To me, Winslow was larger than life. And I was watching him in college, so I wasn't a little kid idolizing. I was a college kid idolizing. lol
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When I think back to what good Browns football looks like plays like that come to mind. Marion Motley, LeRoy Kelly, Jim Brown, Mike Pruitt, Greg Pruitt, Earnest Byner, Kevin Mack, and 2007 with Jamal Lewis.
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