Hue Jackson on Baker Mayfield: I feel like he's a Pied Piper of Oklahoma football. When he walked into the bldg, he made this sound - kind of went hee hee -- & all the players in the bldg started going hee hee and here we go. Most unbelievable thing I've ever seen. .
Hue Jackson on Baker Mayfield: I feel like he's a Pied Piper of Oklahoma football. When he walked into the bldg, he made this sound - kind of went hee hee -- & all the players in the bldg started going hee hee and here we go. Most unbelievable thing I've ever seen. .
Hue Jackson keeps comparing people to the Pied Piper, and it’s awful This time it was Baker Mayfield. By Christian D'Andrea@TrainIsland Mar 27, 2018, 11:32am EDT SHARE
Photo by Jason Miller/Getty Images There are plenty of people you may be compared to if you display leadership qualities at your job. If you’re a a motivator of people through thick and thin to stand up for good, you could be called Churchill-ian. If you’re a driven ruler who builds an empire through force, will, and strategy, you may be compared to Genghis Khan.
Or, if you’re a quarterback Hue Jackson likes, you’ll probably get compared to a fairy tale man with a magic flute and a hatred of rats. Like Baker Mayfield was Tuesday at the NFL’s annual league meeting.
Tony Grossi ✔ @TonyGrossi Hue Jackson on Baker Mayfield: I feel like he's a Pied Piper of Oklahoma football. When he walked into the bldg, he made this sound - kind of went hee hee -- & all the players in the bldg started going hee hee and here we go. Most unbelievable thing I've ever seen. .
Never mind that Jackson’s quote paints the 2017 Heisman Trophy winner as some kind of Michael Jackson impersonator hypnotist in Norman, OK. Instead focus on that first part, where he calls Mayfield the Pied Piper and compares the rest of the Oklahoma football program to the plague infected rats he would rid from medieval towns. If it seems familiar, it’s because it’s an analogy that pops into Jackson’s head a lot.
A lot.
In the past, he’s used the Pied Piper to refer to:
1) Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams (31st in points allowed last season, though that wasn’t really his fault) 2) The Browns’ 2016 quarterback rotation (a decidedly un-Piper group of Robert Griffin III, Josh McCown, Cody Kessler, Kevin Hogan, and, for 24 glorious passes, Charlie Whitehurst) 3) Andy Dalton.
This is a bad comparison! The Pied Piper is a grifter who catches rats, so magical flute aside, Jackson’s number one leader is just a music-loving exterminator. You know who else was a music loving exterminator, at least for one season? Jesse Katsopolis. Throw that into your NFL analogy machine and see if it works for you:
“We like what Sam Darnold brings to the huddle. He’s a real Uncle Jesse on offense.”
“If Josh Rosen keeps this up, we’ll have to call our new Browns offense Jesse and the Rippers.”
“Bradley Chubb has infected this team with his Katsopolis-like attitude. He’s really turned our defensive line into a bunch of Rush Hour Renegades.”
See? Just as stupid.
Of course, the actual story of the Pied Piper ends with him luring a town’s worth of children to their certain doom, so it makes total sense as a comparison for being drafted by the Browns.
Mayfield = to a crap sandwich sorry Pit you jus eliminated any credibility on the QB evaluations.
Now go back to kissing Rosen's butt. This aint a one horse race I know you and another think its Rosen by himself. We'll see right now it appears Rosen is dropping but I think he is good but Mayfield is better except in height.
Rosen I got a feeling will go to the Giants.
Will Mayfield go to Browns or Jets.
Crap sandwich...smh
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
I think if you're not trying to outsmart yourself the pick is easily Mayfield. If you're trying to look brilliant by taking a chance on someone who might be better you're picking anyone but Mayfield.
Twas daydreaming about the Browns on the morning drive today, and it made a whole lot of sense.
The Question is after you get Mayfield (or your favorite Qb), who do you put around him.
So the Case became, it really makes sense to take Orlando Brown at #4.
If (wellI don't know) If he has already been Baker's left tackle.
Plus, what's the hardest 3 positions, to find, in Free agency, in Anywhere on earth but the NFL draft, in the top few picks.
#1 a Franhise Qb, they don't fall in the draft #2, A Franchis left Tackle, they don't fall in the draft. #3, A top of the line Wide Receiver, they don't fall in the draft.
And not only do they not fall, but they don't show up in free agency either, and teams pay them big because they know they have to.
Then I thought, well ok, so next, year, (or even look at the past 25 years of drafts, and where do the, the , hall of fame Left tackles go, And Im talking about Orlando Pace, and what's his name, I'm not talking about Joe Thomas, that's a whole other story.
So, you are not sure, that your age going to get a top 4 pick any time in the future, but you have 2 this year.
( oh ya, the list of positions didn't include the top notch pass rusher, ... we got that last year, Myles Garrett.)
So you Got Garrett, If you just look at the Browns team, and how they're assembled today, I mean they just signed Jarvis Landry, if Corey Coleman is kept around for some reason and if Josh Gordon somehow has a year like 2011.
then your biggest surround him with is left tackle, your biggest hole is left tackle. Headline could be, Browns didn't wait long to replace Joe Thomas, with Orlando Brown as the #4 pick, and already experienced protecting Mayfield, (did they both play at Oklahoma?)
And then: you know who's waiting at 33. Mark Andrew's Bakers favorite tight end for a couple years, ehhh, you could keep the guy comfortable, surround him with a familiar face.
totally different subject. It's written that Baker Mayfield is the most polarizing prospect to come out in some time.
You know who I remember was really polarizing pre-draft, Hall of Fame Wide Receiver, Randy Moss.
I remember his pre-draft, and I don't remember anybody as so many said he'd be great or no-way. Because I think he played in division 2, IIrc.
I dunno, he had some issues, he had a great rookie year, because he was in a spot to be the #3. I'd have taken Randy Moss in a Minute after I saw him in the NFL.
Maybe I don't remember right. I wish the Browns would dust off some old Tapes or films or something of the "pre-draft" hoopla around Randy Moss,
and then maybe they'd not shy away from thoughts of taking Mayfield #1 overall.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Need to get a few things out of the way regarding Baker Mayfield. First is his size. He is small, not fast but elusive, plays from a spread offense.
There are guys we can look to that because of his size there will be comparisons: Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Manziel.
Mayfield's background and how he got to where he is; is a big part of who he is. He has carried a chip on his shoulder for a long time about being "too small". He has had some issues off field. There has been plenty written about it. They are not complete red flags but are note worthy.
The NFL in general wants quarterbacks to be bigger.
The Oklahoma spread. Very difficult to watch this offense and forecast the player to an NFL offense. The best you can do is try to watch plays post snap and then try and find plays that display like type conditions that he would later face.
He has a plus arm with a compact delivery. For the most part he shows good accuracy however, he does miss some open guys.
In the games I watched from this year he had good protection. When protection or time gave out he was more apt to leave the pocket and try to create. Not a pocket quarterback in general. He would fall into the scrambler category. Has that "make it happen" mentality as a passer or runner. Takes way to many "body" chances running the ball.
He can throw well off the run. He can throw from multiple platforms. Shows good touch.
He is tough. Plays with passion. Those traits are admirable but can lead to injury.
He has good instincts for the college game. But may find the NFL game very different. Playing under center and delivering the ball from set drops (3, 5 ,7) to timing patterns is different game. Not his fault but there will be necessary adjustments he will have to make.
Russell Wilson played from a more pro type offense coming from college. Drew Brees is a pocket passer. Manziel I will not get into. We dissected him enough. I will say as far as style of play coming from college he resembles Manziel the most. Part of that comparison is from the offenses they played in.
Accuracy in the NFL is a must. Mayfield has shown good accuracy. He also shows the ability to go to secondary targets at times. But the way they run that offense a lot of plays are per-determined pass plays and the receiver gets stared down.
In the end analysis there are things I like about Mayfield but there are things that give me pause. The most difficult part of evaluating Mayfield is forecasting his skill set to a NFL offense. ============================================
What has changed?
Not much. His deep ball accuracy is sub par. He is deadly underneath and mid length throws.
The problem I have with Mayfield is pretty simple. He is just not as good as Rosen or Darnold. Both can do what Mayfield can do and then some more.
Mayfield does not have the pure athletic ability of Darnold. Meaning escapability and as a runner. Even though his completion percentage slightly higher than Darnold; that is the result of OK offense with tons of bubble screens and short passes.
Rosen is simply a better pure passer to all parts of the field.
The obvious difference is size.
Which to me is no big deal if he can make that up with superior skills as a quarterback in total.
I don't see that.
With that said. Mayfield is a very good quarterback. And could succeed in the NFL. He could in fact turn out to be a great player.
But Dorsey and company have to rank these guys. I have him third over Allen.
One difference in Leaf and Mayfield is being a walk-on, twice. I don't think Ryan Leaf had to do that... Plus I'm sure Leaf with his size and physical tools was always told how great he was, etc. He didn't handle the negativity well because the first time he probably had to deal with it was in the NFL. Mayfield was told in the 6th grade he wouldn't play in the NFL. He's had to face constant negativity...
He has a plus arm with a compact delivery. For the most part he shows good accuracy however, he does miss some open guys.
d from this year he had good protection. When protection or time gave out he was more apt to leave the pocket and try to create. Not a pocket quarterback in general. He would fall into the scrambler category. Has that "make it happen" mentality as a passer or runner. Takes way to many "body" chances running the ball.
He can throw well off the run. He can throw from multiple platforms. Shows good touch.
He is tough. Plays with passion. Those traits are admirable but can lead to injury.
Sounds like Brady, or Roethlisburger.
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He has good instincts for the college game. But may find the NFL game very different. Playing under center and delivering the ball from set drops (3, 5 ,7) to timing patterns is different game. Not his fault but there will be necessary adjustments he will have to make.
Accuracy in the NFL is a must. Mayfield has shown good accuracy. He also shows the ability to go to secondary targets at times. But the way they run that offense a lot of plays are per-determined pass plays and the receiver gets stared down.
In the end analysis there are things I like about Mayfield but there are things that give me pause. The most difficult part of evaluating Mayfield is forecasting his skill set to a NFL offense. ============================================
What has changed?
Not much. His deep ball accuracy is sub par. He is deadly underneath and mid length throws.
The problem I have with Mayfield is pretty simple. He is just not as good as Rosen or Darnold. Both can do what Mayfield can do and then some more.
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Mayfield does not have the pure athletic ability of Darnold. Meaning escapability and as a runner.
I would say ^ the 100% opposite of that comment. I would think Darnold has an advantage of being harder to take down, like is often said of Roethlisburer making a completion even though a defender is draped off of him.
But in that situation I'd still want Mayfield, because I see a "zeal" in Mayfield, ( a desire to make that play) that I think is unmatched in this class.
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Even though his completion percentage slightly higher than Darnold; that is the result of OK offense with tons of bubble screens and short passes.
Rosen is simply a better pure passer to all parts of the field.
I think this ,(the 2nd line), is debatable, even if I wanted to agree with that comment, I'd have to say the Jury is still out,.
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The obvious difference is size.
Which to me is no big deal if he can make that up with superior skills as a quarterback in total.
I don't see that.
With that said. Mayfield is a very good quarterback. And could succeed in the NFL. He could in fact turn out to be a great player.
But Dorsey and company have to rank these guys. I have him third over Allen.
I think Mayfields' zeal and determination, desire to prove he is the best is undeniable.
And they all may have that, the other's may have that, but He has it in spades, and wears it on his sleeve, in your face about it. (proven by incidences.)
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Yeah I don't understand that. Mayfield will be far and away better than Tyrod. Mayfield also has the lowest bust rate in this class. There's another analytics stat for you. He is at 29% to bust whereas everyone else in this class is above 40%.
Mayfield is easily the best pick for #1, but like was said earlier if a team feels they can coach one of the others to be better they are going to take him over Mayfield. After all, the only thing better than Mayfield is a bigger and taller Mayfield.
Meh - I have put my name down for wanting Mayfield at #1. But ...
Seems to me that the longer we talk about the prospects - the more entrenched we become with our opinion and instead of saying things that are observational or opinion based - we start stating things as fact ... which antagonizes other posters who have a different point of view. . . . AND we have 3 flipping more weeks to endure.
I'm really looking forward to seeing where the QB's land - and watching their progression.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I'm willing to bet there are teams that have Mayfield as their #1 QB and I hope we're one of them.
It's very possible. I mean he is an excellent QB at the college level. So long as he o-line are not giants he should be fine.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Meh - I have put my name down for wanting Mayfield at #1. But ...
Seems to me that the longer we talk about the prospects - the more entrenched we become with our opinion and instead of saying things that are observational or opinion based - we start stating things as fact ... which antagonizes other posters who have a different point of view. . . . AND we have 3 flipping more weeks to endure.
I'm really looking forward to seeing where the QB's land - and watching their progression.
Pretty much what I said...lol
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
How is that a real football take, just what football was discussed...other than it puts Mayfield at 3???Didn't know that was football. I smell bs here. Now go start posting immature pictures to insult me...
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
How is that a real football take, just what football was discussed...other than it puts Mayfield at 3???Didn't know that was football. I smell bs here. Now go start posting immature pictures to insult me...
Don't worry little buddy. I help you sift through your own BS.
You asked what football was discussed? I helped you out and reposted the whole thing so you could see it. Maybe you didn't bother to click the link or the link sent you somewhere's else. But, to help you from having to fabricate stuff the football is below. Maybe you'll comment on the actual football stuff? Lol, just kidding I know you won't.
Not that there is anything wrong with Mayfield being the 3rd QB...but for the sake of being truthful where does the linked post put Mayfield at 3? (hint it doesn't; its just another untrue statement from you)
Any more questions tabby?
I won't include a gif this time since it bothers you so much. See how nice of a guy I am? But a point of fact; the tone of our exchanges is set by you. If you don't like it....don't dish it.
I'll,lol, look forward to reading your football comments cheers!
Originally Posted By: edromeo
Had to re-chart the whole game, lost my notes. Not that anyone is really reading or participating in this effort anymore, lol --------------------------------------------------------------
Here's my take: OU vs Ohio State
Baker a lot of gimme passes manufactured through the offense. Play-action quick throws swings, screens and hitches....but that's what you get with some spread offenses.
A QB can only execute the system he plays in and Baker executed a high level in this game...didn't really miss any throws.
Didn't face a lot of pressure or have to throw from muddied pockets.
When he was pressured handled it well and made plays. Threw a couple off his backfoot. Flashed good arm talent on some throws and good improvisational skills...plays with confidence.
Plus displays of arm talent: 13:17, 9:20, (2nd Q) 11:36 (3rd Q) 3:32, 3:00/?(...could argue IF he had a bigger arm could have lead the receiver), (4th Q) 11:19
Don't go all upset. but thanks for the insult. When you stated. true football take I thought it was the post that you were answering to a small post by bonefish who does make some excellent football posts but not just that one.
I realize later that you were talking about the link and that info given by yourself and not bonefish's.
I should have known it was about you...lol
Its called a lack of communication on a message board. That is all. No need for your insults.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
How is that a real football take, just what football was discussed...other than it puts Mayfield at 3???Didn't know that was football. I smell bs here. Now go start posting immature pictures to insult me...
Originally Posted By: eotab
Don't go all upset. but thanks for the insult. When you stated. true football take I thought it was the post that you were answering to a small post by bonefish who does make some excellent football posts but not just that one.
I realize later that you were talking about the link and that info given by yourself and not bonefish's.
I should have known it was about you...lol
Its called a lack of communication on a message board. That is all. No need for your insults.
You are soo predictable. Spin. Back pedal, tap dance. Whatever. Everything except actual football specifics. You show an alarming lack of accountability for your own words.
Its okay, I already included a response to your post above in my previous post.
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Don't worry little buddy. I help you sift through your own BS.
You asked what football was discussed? I helped you out and reposted the whole thing so you could see it. Maybe you didn't bother to click the link or the link sent you somewhere's else. But, to help you from having to fabricate stuff the football is below.Maybe you'll comment on the actual football stuff? Lol, just kidding I know you won't.
Not that there is anything wrong with Mayfield being the 3rd QB...but for the sake of being truthful where does the linked post put Mayfield at 3? (hint it doesn't; its just another untrue statement from you)
Any more questions tabby?
I won't include a gif this time since it bothers you so much. See how nice of a guy I am? But a point of fact; the tone of our exchanges is set by you. If you don't like it....don't dish it.
I'll,lol, look forward to reading your football comments cheers!
Pretty solid. I don't have any concerns if we take him.
Maybe I should say have "many" concerns. I will have concerns no matter who we take. QB is one of those positions, above all others where you can whiff the pick. Lot's of can't miss guys have for one reason or another.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
looking at the OSU game..the Sooner game plan looked to be in the passing game get ball out of hands in ideally 3.5 seconds or less all.his TEs plus that H back were wide open underneath.really easy throws to complete OSU is a good game to look at cause well the Buckeyes have NFL caliber talent on the day side. Baker is a competitor. he expects to be starting Game 1 come September. how will handle being a #2 qb if he can't be out the starter? I think no.matter who drafts him he needs to sit a year. if he becomes a Browns his fire will be breath of fresh air to a franchise that has lacked that from the qb spot since the return . the Browns have had too many boy scouts and choir boys under center since 99.
Lots of run pass options that are built into the offense. A ton of clean pockets to throw it from. Quite frankly I'm very disappointed in OSU's defense and their failure to adjust to the same 2 concepts. Georgia has a problem with it at first, but by the second half they figured the offense out.
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 11, 2018, 8:59 AM EDT
Robert Klemko of Sports Illustrated and Tony Grossi of ESPN Cleveland have been feuding about Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield this offseason, with Klemko closely monitoring Mayfield and generally reporting favorably about him, and Grossi arguing that Mayfield is going to be a Johnny Manziel-like bust if he goes to the Browns.
Those interested in that media feud can listen to this radio argument, but it’s a separate radio segment that has drawn attention recently. Grossi said on his radio show that Mayfield had recently “demanded to be upgraded to first class” during his pre-draft travels around the country.
That drew a response from Klemko, who called it a “non-story” but added that he checked into it anyway and was assured that Mayfield never asked for a first-class upgrade.
Klemko said on Twitter that Grossi had incorrectly reported that Mayfield demanded first-class airfare “from the Browns.” Grossi responded by pointing out that he hadn’t said it was from the Browns. Klemko acknowledged that but insisted that Mayfield never even asked for, let alone “demanded” any upgrade.
What Grossi actually reported is that Mayfield “demanded” an upgrade, and also that Mayfield struggled to pay for the upgrade, suggesting that Mayfield has bad credit.
“He demanded to be upgraded to first class,” Grossi said. “It took him, like, three credit cards before one was good enough to use. What does that say?”
Frankly, it doesn’t say anything. First of all, so what if Mayfield’s credit cards are maxed out? Whatever credit card debt he might have now, he’ll easily be able to pay off as soon as he gets the signing bonus on his first contract. If Mayfield is spending on credit now with an expectation that he’ll pay it off in the coming months, he’s far from the only soon-to-be rookie behaving that way.
Secondly, Grossi seemed to be implying at first that Mayfield was “demanding” that NFL teams provide him with first-class travel, but if Mayfield was putting that travel on his own personal credit cards, that would mean he’s the one paying for the tickets. If you walk up to the counter at an airport, tell the gate agent which seat you’d like and slide your credit card over, that’s a normal customer service transaction, not a “demand.”
And most importantly, even if Mayfield is demanding that NFL teams fly him first class, so what? NFL prospects ought to be demanding of teams. These young men are getting poked, prodded and worked out to exhaustion over and over again in the weeks leading up to the draft. If they think they’re going to perform better at their visits with NFL teams if they’ve had comfortable travel, why shouldn’t they say so?
Ultimately, if Mayfield is being demanding in his pre-draft visits, that doesn’t tell us much of anything about what kind of NFL quarterback he’ll be. It could be spun as evidence that he’s a prima donna, or it could be spun as evidence that he’s the kind of great leader who demands the best of everyone around him. Either way, it’s beyond the point of whether he’s going to be a great NFL player.
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