DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Will Cleveland Browns' Hue Jackson be a coach in name only? Bill Livingston

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a ton of haters. Maybe a half dozen tops. I do see a lot of criticism...which has been earned. I understand the reason why he's still here...I want him to succeed...but criticizing his past performance does not equate to hate. JMO

Actually he would have to win 30 in a row to be .500, not 31.

Just sayin'.

One of the comments coming from the team, I'll assume I recall it being Dorsey, about not selecting Josh Allen, ...

One of the comments, (This April, or May) was that if you have to keep coming up with excuses for incompletions, that is not the guy.

How long are they going to put up with and keep making excuses that Hue can't find a win as a head coach, of the Browns.

People can talk about new talent and changes and I think the two years, (this year vs last) and (last year vs the year before) are similar in the changes and new faces.

The difference is, I think every 3-4 years or so, the schedule seems to cycle to where you get favorable matchups on your schedule, (for instance in the years since manning left the colts, I'd say a game vs Indy is easier on paper than a game vs New England.)

I feel the easier schedule finally cycled around to the Browns again last year, meaning the Browns should have had their most success.

No one can plan for another teams struggles, but the Browns were gifted 3 or more games last year vs the opponents 2nd Qb from that teams opener.

And if I recall correcty the 2016 year before, the Browns faced a couple of teams with injured Db's.

I can't deny Hue Jackson now has an O coordinator.

Hue Jackson is the HC of the Browns, I may not like it, but what am I gonna do.

Hope the Browns win this time, (and continue to gripe when the losses pile up), what else can I do.

Say we go 20-12 the next 2 years that would make Hue 21-43 but I believe most sports shows and those in the NFL would begin breaking that down when they talk about his record, like Hue Jackson has led the Browns to a 20-12 record over the last 2 years after a horrible beginning at 1-31 ... JMO

... which would really put some weight behind the "he had no talent" argument.

Nice.



I will say 7 wins minimum, but we aren't far apart. I say 7 because 6 wins means 10 losses. The guy can't lose double digit numbers again.

Or Todd Haley and Gregg Williams are doing a great job.

And Hue isn't all that involved.

The appointment (anointment?) of Haley to take over the offense will be by far, the biggest single contributor to our anticipated improvement this coming season...

That would be cherry picking. I think you have to look at the entire body of work.

Playing with two safeties will help too.

Are you kidding.

GC. What does real progress look like for this team?
What's the record after the first 10 games?

Who gets the credit, or where does the buck stop?

My thinking is 4-12, 2-14, 0-16 are real possibilities.

And I don't know where to find more than 2 wins on that schedule. Tyrod's going to have to be a Real good Qb, or Bakers going to have to have a Real Good rookie season, if somebody's talking 7 or more wins.

Most of the talking heads have us winning between 4 and 9 games this year! We're better on paper, but I'm not buying in to that until the wins start coming. How many games will hue need to save his job? I'd say 6 or more.

I agree, though I lean towards the more. As I said, I don't want 10 losses.

I wonder how many games we would have won last year with decent quarterback play. I don't blame Kizer, we just weren't equipped with a good quarterback ready to play in the NFL. Tyrod Taylor alone should significantly increase our chances of winning. We weren't out of that many games last year, a consistent quarterback would probably have won quite a few. (5 or more.) IMHO

Browns' Hue Jackson jumping in Lake Erie June 1 for charity

Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson will make his celebrated jump into Lake Erie on June 1, according to an announcement Monday on the team's Twitter page.

Jackson has turned the event into a fundraiser for his charitable foundation that fights human trafficking.

"Fortunately I'm not going alone," Jackson said about keeping his word to jump in the lake. "Many members of the Browns organization have agreed to jump with me."

The jump goes back to January 2017, when after a 1-15 season Jackson vowed 2017 would be better or fans would "find him swimming in the lake."

The Browns went winless in 2017, and Jackson said the time has come for him to keep his word. He promised to donate $100 for every individual who jumps in the lake with him to The Hue Jackson Foundation, which he set up a year ago to fight human trafficking.

"My goal is to get $15,000," Jackson said.

That means he would be joined by 150 members of the organization.

"We are working toward making 2018 a much better year for the Cleveland Browns," Jackson said, "and I'm hoping to also cleanse ourselves of all the losing for the past two seasons by jumping in."

The jump will be a private event, open only to members of the organization. Jackson said the team will release a video of the event on its social media platforms after June 1.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23503689/cleveland-browns-hue-jackson-jumping-lake-charity

wonder if sashi will be there too?

I'm sure he will raise a ton of money if he stays in the lake...

Good for Hue ... he’s a raising money for a great cause ...

Thats a good thing ...

This and the parade raising money for food for the needy are possibly the only two good things to come out of last year ...

Thanks for raising some money for a great cause Mr. Jackson ...

I agree.

I have been a critic of Hue, but was never in favor of holding to some stupid jump in the lake comment.

Anyway, he is doing it for a good cause.

Last season is over. I have washed my hands of that mess. We have added talent to the talent we had. Hue is not not trying to be a coordinator and head coach. I think that will work in his favor.

Like you, I am optimistic with what this season can bring. I wasn't going to bring up playoff potential, I am just set on 7 wins. We can and should win 7 games. No more 10 loss seasons.

I wish Hue well.

Nobody expected Hue to hold his word... First because when we believed in him we expected him to quit for the miserable seasons we gave us,and when we started to no know him better, we figured that is word has no value at all.

The only way this would be less embarrassing for him would be for Hue to jump in the lake after the last game...

Hue went and thought of the charity event and made me feel bad about myself and my Google searches for a shark rental.

lol

jc

I haven't followed this all that closely to apologies if it has already come up. But what exactly does Hue Jackson do?

He was never a defensive guy; Williams handles that. This happens sometimes with an offensive coach.

He's supposed to be a QB guru. I think this was based on how Andy Dalton developed, but it hasn't worked out with Cody Kessler ("Trust me on this one"), RG3, Kizer, or anyone else we brought in. We didn't go after McCarron, which gives some insight into what both Dorsey and Sashi thought of his opinion.

He's not even in control of the offense anymore. Haley is.

Hue hasn't exactly shown a knack for game management, either.

So why exactly is he still the head coach, after going 1-31? Is it just to get his buyout down to a more palatable amount, while we build the talent on the team and make the Browns HC job more desirable for when we hire our real head coach next year?

The argument of him remaining as HC is the following:

1. Stability in coaching
2. The players like playing for him
3. Not enough talent has been built up to fully judge him as a HC.
4. Took on alot as HC + OC that perhaps handing off OC job allows him to focus more on the game planning, which I agree, was questionable many times.
5. Won the battle where Jimmy was forced to choose between keeping his experienced coach or the head of his FO.
6. Jimmy and Dee bent over backward trying to get Hue (the hottest FA head coach candidate at the time) to come to Cleveland. They were able to convince him and don't want to give up on that.


But you know, I have an agenda on Hue.

Don't worry so much. That will all change this year.

It was a fair post. I guess we'll see what happens this year. I think that, with the amount of talent that was added this off-season, there should be no more excuses.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step in solving it.

I didn't know you hold people's beers too?!

Weak...

And...

7. It was easier and less disruptive at that point in the season to replace the GM as opposed to the HC...

the infighting stop... now that the snake is gone.. we have a GM that understands how to get coaches the players they need to be competitive.. just facts...

Snake? How did you come to that conclusion?

the way he threw pettin farmer under the bus on his climb to power.. took him 2 years but he got it done... and the fact is now no infighting.. Gm on same page as the coaching staff.. first time in a long long time.

I stopped here, but thanks for the reponse.

Brown’s a smooth operator, and people inside the facility adore his demeanor and likability. In his dealings with Pettine and Farmer he rightfully scolded the pair for their defensive scheme and signing over-the-hill free agents.

guy was running behind everyone backs the whole time clawing his way to the top at the cost of us losing.

Well, you certainly drew out the Hue Hate Club. LOL

I think you have a couple of assumptions wrong.

--Hue did coach DBs at one point, so he does have experience on the defensive side of the ball.

--He has also coached Special Teams in a couple of places.

--Hue is given credit for helping QBs like C. Palmer, J. Flacco, Dalton, Patrick Ramsey, & Jason Campbell. Hue was a qb himself and even Brock Osweiler commented that no one had ever did a better job of working on his mechanics than Hue.

Hue has been an OC for 4 teams and is widely respected as a good teacher and for his offensive philosophies by the people who count......that is.........NFL people. Not some guys who are butt hurt because Sashi got fired.

I don't know if Hue Jackson is a good HC or not. I do know that he didn't have the talent in Cleveland the last two years to win. I think that guys like Joe Thomas defending him and praising him for keeping the team together means something. I think he deserves a shot w/some talent on the roster.

Solid post.

I think Hue's mismanaged things on this team, but I do think at this point we're headed in the right direction.

I also think this assumption that Hue doesn't really know anything about offense, etc. is ridiculous. He's been very respected in this league. You don't get all those jobs without being respected.


We see differently on Haley (whom I like, but you don't), but I think people make Hue out to be a dolt when really he's not. There might be better coaches out there, and he might not be the answer to this team.

But if he was a dolt, his players wouldn't respect him the way they do, and fellow coaches wouldn't speak so highly of him. And I don't think there's a chance in heck that John Dorsey would be willing to work with him if he was a dolt