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I think Landry is going to put up huge numbers as a Brown. Defenses will fear Gordon if he stays clean because he is the most talented player on the team, maybe the NFL and will put their top CB on him. Leaving Landry going up against #2 CB's week in and week out. Landry is a great route runner, with good hands, and better athleticism than he is given credit for. He is the best pure WR the Browns have had since Joe Jurevious. Todd Haley will make Landry this teams Antonio Brown.

I'm confused. The year Joe Jurevicious was here, he was like the third or fourth option behind KW2 and Braylon.

What do you mean by pure WR?

Cause, IMO Travis Benjamin was a better WR for us and so was Terrell Pryor IMO. And they were number one options. Jurevicous did a good job for us, but Edwards and Winslow were best options without a doubt.

No doubt that Landry is a better receiver than Joe. I can't really speak for others, but perhaps they mean that both guys are/were excellent route runners who have a knack for finding holes in the zone. Cerebral guys who can catch in traffic and come through in the clutch.

Thats it, right there ...

Travis Benjamin was incredibly fast. Terrelle Pryor has great size and athleticism. Josh Gordon is a freak of nature with off the charts athleticism.

Joe J was a WR. He ran perfect routes and caught everything that came his way. Even poor passes. Landry brings those same skills that Joe possessed. Name me the last Browns receiver that made a QB look good when they made a bad throw. Joe did that for Derek Anderson. Landry will do that for Tyrod Taylor.

We have had many good athletes play WR for us but often times they dropped very catch-able throws. Ran poor routes and caused QB interceptions. Landry is a pure WR.

Yep. Just look at how we struggled the year after Joe retired. DA no longer had that reliable receiver, when he absolutely needed a catch. It really hurt the whole team, as teams had one less threat to defend.

Of course, then we had the lunacy of DA/BQ/KB/BG .......

I will add that the dependability issue can not be overstated. HANDS!

Gotcha, I was just confused. So you're saying the pure skill of playing WR.

Because, like I said, Pryor and Benjamin made significant differences on this team that i don't think that JJ could make.

And at least with Benjamin, I'd take him over JJ that same season with Braylon and KW2 (bigger difference players and better players that year than JJ)

Joe had great hands.

As a Brown, Joe had great hands.

Is that better for you Lord Tab? lol

did pretty well in tampa too.. could it have been the hodge pot QBs the giants had back then?

Not to get picky here but Jurevicious had what 2 seasons over 50 catches and finished his career with 323 receptions.

No doubt he was solid, but Landry has 316 in the last 3 years alone.

...and has a catch rate of over 70%

I liked Joe, but no...and it's not even close.

When i think of good hands, I think Torry Holt, Larry Fitzgerald, Wayne Cherbet, Tony Gonzalez.

Hopefully Landry can show hands for our team like those guys have.

Like Keyshawn and Wayne Cherbet. The Sun and the Lightbulb baby!



Although, i think Jarvis is definitely a better player than Wayne Cherbet. We see him in the slot because that's what Miami did last year. But he's been utilized in different ways than just the slot. He is more versatile than folks give him credit for

What I recall from Joe J was him being a very smart player, that was before him coming here,and it was confirmed.

Joe J and Willy Mac are IMHO the prototype smart player that play way bigger than what they are.

Don't know if Jarvis is known for being a smart player....

proFootballTalk

It may be disrespectful, but Landry's right on QBs

Jarvis Landry says that the quarterbacks on his new team in Cleveland are better than what he had in Miami and he may be right.

https://www.nbcsports.com/video/clevelan...miami?ls=pftvod

Video on webpage.

U best stop reading now ...

I’m SOOOOOO EXCITED ..... I have never been this excited to see someone in a browns uniform making plays ... i am having a hard time containing my self ... i can’t wait to se this dude in a browns uni making plays, getting first downs keeping drives alive ...

This dudes good ... i mean real good ... i mean really really good ... he’s so consistent ... he’s like a machine ... and he’s YOUNG .... going into his 5 th year and he just keeps getting better ...

Hes so consistent ... with everything ... route running ... sharp, crisp always run to the exact spot where hes suppose to be and then he

CATCHES THE F’N BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man .... i can’t wait to see him playing for us ... this is the most excited I’ve been since our return .... this dude can flat out ball ....

You don't have to be so down dude.. things will get better ...

I agree with Diam about Landry ... at least in terms of his route running, catching ability, and consistency.

He's not a guy who will take the top off the defense and make plays down field, but he's a menace inside 20 yards

Pfftt... you're such a Negative Nancy


While reading that, and continuing to temper myself, it made me think about the impact of Landry's game on Gordon's, and the thoughts then went to the troubled kid we drafted (Callaway?).

I don't know if anyone has noticed or not, but there hasn't been any negative noise surrounding him, at all. I am literally knocking wood on that, but it was a nice realization because if he can straighten up and be on the field, a talent like him could be disastrous for defenses when put on the field with a pair like Gordon and Landry. He will get a LOT of opportunities to do work with defenses having to focus on those other two (and not even factoring in a guy like Njoku)..... but, that should probably all be for another thread about him. Landry's potential impact just got me thinking about the cascading effect he might have and what it could mean for others.

My understanding is that this Callaway kid is like Gordon 2.0 talent wise. Imagine that duo with Landry in the seam and Njoku/DeValve/Duke underneath... All with a qb that can get them the ball on time.

I don't know anything about Callaway other than what I've read ... his route running needs work. He's basically a vertical threat right now and not much else

I've read that he is a very good route runner. https://waitingfornextyear.com/2018/06/cleveland-browns-film-room-antonio-callaway-strengths/
Seems his hands are a little suspect though. Watching video, the thing that comes to mind is that everything he does looks effortless. Much like Josh Gordon. And yes, he will definitely take the top off a defense.

I've said this since we drafted Callaway .. Landry has the most valuable spot on our roster. He is not only expected to be a playmaker, but he's a leader and mentor to Gordon and Callaway.

A huge task.

This is a hell of a group of weapons. Throw in what could be the best run blocking OL in football with three solid backs and well, things could get interesting. Hue is a coach that needs dynamic players. Well now he has them.

https://waitingfornextyear.com/2018/06/cleveland-browns-film-room-antonio-callaway-weaknesses/

"Callaway can make the spectacular catches, but he struggles to be consistent catching the ball. In his two seasons at Florida, he has 10 drops, according to Pro Football Focus. Pro Football Focus also states that of the 61 catchable passes in 2016, Callaway dropped seven passes for an 11.48% drop rate. His hands are just not consistent."

To derail this thread even further...
Looks like Josh has already become a mentor to Callaway.


https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/...ss/95-564441939

“We talk every day, and I know how it is definitely being in that scenario,” Gordon said. You don’t necessarily want outside pressure just prying into your life and trying to get you to open up. Naturally, he’s just being himself, and that’s all I want him to do, just being able to focus on the game and the task at hand for right now.

“I think the best way for me to try to get that across to him is to show him that there’s somebody dealing with the same issues right now, currently, and this is what I’m doing. This is how I have to adapt to this new lifestyle of just being a professional.

“I’ve known Antonio since he was at Florida. We were training together in Gainesville. I’ve seen him then, and I’ve seen him now. He’s come a long way. He’s got a great attitude, great guy, and he’s a great football player more than anything.”

nice find FATE ... I'll say this: Gordon sounds a little different ... more mature

Sometimes when you are the TEACHER/MENTOR and not the person being mentored, it changes your perspective.

Having Callaway might actually end up making Gordon more responsible/dependable

I'm not trying to cast aspersions on JG. I hope he's doing well and will continue to do well.

But to me, he doesn't "sound different". He's always had the ability to, and has said all the right things. It's just in the past he's naver managed to back up his words with actions.

Actually if you listen to the WR coach Henry's recent presser, he may be the best asset all these young troubled kids have here. He has a master degree in education and structural technology. Someone that will be there both on and off the field, for both football and non-football ordeals.

I was actually impressed with him after his presser.

I agree every WR needs to lower their drop rate.
But 11% isn't the end of the world. There have been some really good receivers with drop rates in that same range and Callaway can make up for it with thee 'spectacular' catch that other receiver can't/dont make.

j/c:

I've never been a fan of receivers who don't have good hands. I feel the same way about QBs who are inaccurate or have trouble reading coverages.

On the other hand, the reason I love Landry so much is the dude has world-class hands.

Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? Something about 'nfl receiver' and 'bad hands' just doesn't work.

I don't care if the guy runs a 4.2 40, or if he's a great route runner, or has football sense.......or whatever.

"Has questionable hands" does it for me. Well, he isn't an nfl receiver.

I think its a bit early to right off Calloway or any receiver as having 'questionable hands' based soley on a 11% drop rate. But to each their own.

The list of receivers who have posted that drop rate (and worse) is a really good list that would include guys like Wes Welker.

May I ask who has written off Calloway?