DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jarvis Landry

I hadn’t watched it before my last reply .. just went and watched it ... i can’t believe it ... wasn’t sure it was possible ...

LOVE HIM EVEN MORE ...

Most impressive part to me ...

On his knees instead of getting out of the way he basically sits straight up when he knows hes gonna get RAN OVER and bent backwords ... he still PUT HIS BODY IN THE WAY AND MADE AS MUCH OF A BLOCK AS HE COULD ...

I am SOOOOOOO HAPPY we got him ...

I LITERALLY CON’T WAIT TO SEE HIM MAKING PLAYS FOR US ...

Thanks for posting that ...

By intrigued did u mean EXCITED ... can u guess witch one i am .. *LOL* ...

God no ... he played with CRAP IN MIAMI ... utter CRAP .... he played with the likes of Kenny Stills, Devante Parker and last year a one hit wonder named Julius Thomas at TE ...

His QB is not good down the field but was good for what they asked Jarvis to do .. he was extremely accurate on the short stuff ... last year he had Cutler but that was behind a bad OL with literally NO RUNNING GAME ... it was the worst run game in the league i believe ...

Everything here is an upgrade ... from coaching to QB to supporting cast at every single position from OL to RB ...

He wont get near as many catches ... but he will get more yards and have a much much higher % of 1st down catches ...

DUDES A STUD WILLIE .... YOUR GONNA LOVE HIM ... he’s a step away from being a replica of one Antonio Brown ....

Go watch that video ... he gets the ultimate compliment from the greatest D mind in the history of the game ....

I agree. Some assume he will be used as he has been used.

As you said, Tannehill isn't very good going down the field. He dumped at the first chance.

Wow. You guys make this board a headache.

Im not complaining. I'm saying buyer beware. Thanks for twisting my words. School of vers, much? 112 catches is damn good. The guy is being paid a lot of money for what he does. Duke could have done the same things at a far cheaper price. If Gordon lights it up and expects to be paid, there's probably no way we could afford both Landry and Gordon.

I would continue but I'll let you twist those words first before I rebut.

Here, I'm not twisting any words. You need to shut the hell up. The more you say the deeper you dig your hole. You start out with a dumb statement and then frantically try to back it up with even dumber statements. Talk about making the board a headache.

........ And...... There it is! lmao

Here is another example, Diam.

Garbage.

C'mon bro.

Duke is Duke... he's good at "Duke"... You think we should have tried to mold him into Jarvis Landry?

I'm not interested in saving money. I'm interested in putting professionals in every group of personnel. Jarvis Landry, professional WR... this is how he acts, this is how he trains, this is how he catches the ball, this is how he breaks down his defender... Aspiring All-World Wide Receivers - take notes.

I HOPE we have the headache of trying to pay two elite WR's!

Sounds like a salary cap position somewhere may be in his future.

Diam,

You really need to work on saying what you are thinking. Stop holding back on your thoughts of JL. Let us know what you are really thinking. (I kid...I kid.)

Yeah...I'm excited about adding him too. Seems like the perfect compliment to what we (hopefully) are going to be going forward. The paper transformation of the offense is ridiculous...better than I could have hoped-for.

U wanna be my lawyer ...

I would hate to spin your words, so I found some of your quotes regarding Landry.

Jarvis Landry: 112 catches, 60 1st downs, 9 TD, with terrible QB play.

He has a tremendous catch radius, and catches passes that would be impossible for other receivers.

I am beyond thrilled that we managed to trade for him. He will be, quite possibly, the most important offensive weapon we have.

No charge, man. lol

PS. He’s 4 years into his career and has been invited to play in the pro bowl not once, not even twice but 3 times ...

PSS. He was the sole threat in miami ... they had NOTHING ELSE ...

Ok.

This is fair. The answer is no. I don't want to mold Landry into Duke. But Duke could pretty much do the same things at a lesser price.

I get it. Browns fans haven't won in years and would do anything for a winning season. I don't want to win for one season, but multiple. I'm not a salary cap guru and neither is Dorsey, that was a knock on him in KC.


I understand this is a big deal because we've sucked at WR. I don't think this is a Reggie White type signing like Green Bay. I find it hard to believe that Landry is going to live up to his salary. No one cares if we win, right? And why do I care? And why do a lot of people here care that I care?

I'm not sure why you posted my comments. It sorta proves my point. I have not waivered from my opinion since I've posted. Maybe at some point my opinion will change and he will prove me wrong, but I don't alter my opinion to make myself look good as you do. I own my opinion. If you want to make me look foolish because my opinion was wrong, that's fine and says a lot about someone's character. I never once belittled anyone after I was laughed at when I said we should take Mayfield #1 and then we actually did. But I guess there's a handful of people here who apparently think that's the thing to do.

I posted them because you are always saying that I twist your words. You even bash me on discussions I am not involved in. You say things like "School of vers, much?" You say those things to belittle me. Yet, we both know that in our last two discussions, I actually quoted you and you turned things around to pretend I was the one making things up.

Thus, I just posted some of your quotes and let them stand on their own. You are who you are.

:facepalm

Right. I don't make things up, I don't lie. I am who I am. And you are who you are.

What I write/say is always quoted by you to be something completely different. It's clear as day in the Mayfield thread.

We were actually having a fine conversation about football until you questioned my integrity and hinted that I'm trying to fool people. I had no clue what you were talking about. I supplied links which support my takes and then you went rogue and called me a liar as well as question anyone who agrees with me. I don't get what your issues are, I really don't. Your provoking is nonsense. You point the finger at me then laugh and then seek the approval of the board. To me it's just crazy, but that's who you are.

You can read dozens of posts about people questioning Baker. I question Landry and it's like I said Kosar was a terrible quarterback. I had people jumping on my case from all angles. Based on the numbers there is legitimate concern but I understand he's historically the best WR acquisition we've had to date, so heaven forbid it be questioned.

I understand why people are tired of this crap. And I'm sorry... But you keep poking me with a stick and I am going to defend myself. You don't like me. I think this place gets it. Go poke your stick at someone else for a while.

I love watching Duke play ... he does it the right way w/effort, ability, and has been a bright spot for us.

Watching Laundry play is like taking a Viagra

I hate to go here ... i just can’t help myself .... its your fault GM ... seriously, this ones on U .. *L* ...

I have to disagree GM ...

THINKNG of watching Landry making plays in a browns uni is like taking Viagra ...

WATCHNG him play for us is going to be like one of the best orgasims ever ....

Much better analogy dawg ...

You're at it again.

Which is not the same as actually doing what Landry can do - which Duke cannot and is not that.

Duke is very good, but he is NOT Landry and never will be, and unless he changes positions from RB to WR it is impossible for him to fill Landry's shoes because everytime he would line up behind the LoS, there would be a void where Landry is supposed to be.... and this simple fact is before you even begin to consider the differences in physical stature and actual ability.

They are different players and different skill sets, and Duke is great for us, but in no way, at all, ever, could he replace what Landry brings. Period.

As for all of the phantom salary cap concerns about affording both Landry and whomever...... it is NOT an issue.


1. there is an out before the 2020 season, so if he isn't playing worth what the contract balloons to or if he decides he wants to be a free agent again, he's gone

2. we have enough cap space now and for at least the next half decade to carry his contract and a larger one for Gordon without even blinking....

3. Those last years of his contract are all base salary; each and every one of those seasons is effectively a single-season rental because we could cut him at any time with very little dead money (max dead money is $4.5MM before the 2020 season).

4. the entire contract was effectively a fluffed up two year deal

Worrying about his contract when we're like $842 bajillion dollars under the cap is tears in a bucket.

j/c:

I think Landry is going to have a huge year. I think he fits Taylor's skill-set better than Josh does, although Taylor should hit Josh w/a few bombs. But Landry's ability to run precise underneath routes and work inside will be a like a security blanket for Taylor because the latter doesn't like to take many chances.

I'll be interested to see how Haley uses Landry. In the NFL Network video, they had Belichick talking about all the different places that Miami lined him up. Out wide, in the slot, in the backfield, and in motion. I think it's key that we utilize all of those options. I like him in the backfield and catching quick passes from Taylor. Get the ball out quick and let Landry break tackles, which is something he is very proficient at.

This could be very fun and I think Landry might be able to lead the league in receptions.

For some reason you guys aren't following what I'm saying.

Whether one is a RB and one is a WR is irrelevant. I wouldn't ask him to be Landry. I wouldn't want him to be Landry. Heck, it was just last season when the reports were that the Browns were thinking about making Duke their slot receiver, and you guys are jumping all over me. Duke is probably one of the most underrated players in the league.

I've said over and over and over, I get why they went after someone who is supposedly the best slot receiver in the league. However, the Browns could have saved a boat load of money by utilizing Duke in a similar manner than signing Jarvis.

31 other teams don't have Jarvis Landry. And 12 of them made the playoffs last season... so having Landry isn't necessarily a guaranteed win.

I don't think it's good practice to believe since we have the money we might as well spend it.

I agree in principle. Signing literally ANYONE in free agency would not have created "cap concerns". That said, spending money wisely should always be a top priority no matter where you sit w/ available dollars. I hope this money ends up being spent wisely because, like you, I tend to think Landry is a little overrated. Miami didn't want to pay him and was happy getting a fourth for him-- which was a steal for Landry (even if I think he is overrated in terms of overral production and $$ paid) but at the same time is a head scratcher as to why Miami gave him up for so little.

They went after Wilson. Another guy I was interested in... I'll be curious to see how he does in Miami this year.

Not sure if that's a money thing with Miami or what. Landry said he wanted to stay in Miami, but as you said they were willing to cut ties with him...

A lot of people are convinced Landry is a God. I'm not saying he's going to suck, never have, but I'm weary of him as much as people are weary of Mayfield. I feel it's justified.

I don't think that's what we're doing either.

Phase One was tearing a team down to the studs, acquiring assets in order to rebuild. A job well done imo.

Phase Two is acquiring the necessary talent to compete... that's what we're doing now.

Phase Three is where you start to feel the effects of salary cap and the stress of keeping free agents... The trick to this whole thing is competing at a high level by the time you're there. When you are a solid organization from top to bottom this job is easier than people make it out to be, as long as you have good talent evaluators and a good offensive and defensive scheme. It's a lot different when you have a competitive team and are only looking to fill a hole or two, in comparison to having so many holes that every time you stick a finger in a leak, a new one appears.

Remember when the Broncos offense looked like they could pick a RB off the street and he would have great success? What about the Patriots pass offense? Wes Welker - undrafted. Danny Amendola - undrafted. Julian Edelman - 7th round pick. Their RBs have been a series of rejects from around the league.

There will be those high-stakes free agents along the way, sometimes you have to cut your losses. Jarvis Landry will in no way, shape or form affect us when that day is here, nor will signing Josh Gordon, for that matter. But make no mistake, there is no one on this planet talking about the Browns having "one of the best WR corps" without him. Without him it's still all question marks.

There's still a process in getting from point A to point B. For the first year with a new GM and an open checkbook - I have no complaints. I was a little concerned we would see Haslam spending like a drunken sailor this year - a la Dan Snyder in the 90s. Given the free agent market and the Browns needs, Landry was a blue chip signing at just about the right price. Especially considering that "the price" in Cleveland will include a bit of a premium after 1-31.

The advantage for the Browns (and any team the does the complete "tear down") is having a lot of young talent on cheap contracts to start with. Doesn't make the rest of the job easy... gotta "make hay while the sun shines".

reading through this thread I'm pretty surprised at the divide on Landry.. 3 time pro bowler, more catches than anyone in NFL history in his first 4 years, still in his prime, fills a need. I thought it was pretty unanimous that signing landry was a good thing. Surprised to hear to the contrary

To me, you're right in the sense there still seems to be a method to our madness. And I'm not suggesting we are blindly paying for free agents just to spend money.

As they say there is more than one way to skin a cat. I think people love what we're doing because it actually looks like we're "trying" to do something.

This is not the same thing obviously, but it's kinda fun to look back...

Link

The first paragraph was a quote from device .. talking about how Landry averaged 6.1 yards per target, and was not worth spending money on. My post was an answer, stating that per reception was higher, and should be considered, as he has had a very high number of receptions every year. The reason Diam likes to say "Stats are for losers" is because you can skew the stats to cover most any situation.... example 6.1 yards per target vs 10.1 career yards per catch, each showing the same yards gained, but "target" added in to lower the receiver's average. Holding the receiver accountable for overthrows, throwaways, even good defense.

jmho