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He is under contract for this year and next year IIRC
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He is under contract for this year and next year IIRC Restricted free agent next year.
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I get what you guys are saying, but you are looking at it logically and rationally. That's not how the national media and certain fans think.
Look at some of the guys on this board who are constantly trying to campaign to get Hue fired and/or are bad-mouthing Dorsey's moves.
I've been around long enough to know how these things work. The negativity usually leads to firings.
I think this team is better than it has been in years, but we have people out there that hell-bent on blowing things up again.
I think it would be an epic mistake to fire guys and turn on the FO. But, I'm smart enough to know that it will happen.
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How can you have two sets of rules and expect your players to buy in?
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Dorsey seems to be the first GM that's going to expect the same set of rules for everyone on the roster and I for one think it's way past time for it. Absolutely. Old pal Michael Lombardi is now a contributor with The Athletic and wrote a piece on Josh Gordon today that speaks to your point. Here's an excerpt..... Throughout Gordon’s entire playing career, there have been two sets of rules for every team he has been a part of — one set for him, and one set for the others. When I was in Cleveland the one year with Gordon, he was aloof, distant and was on his program. He never took part in special teams practice, never ran scout team reps, never did any extra conditioning or hung around the facility fine-tuning his craft. He was immensely talented, and that carried him. That will not be the case with Belichick. If Gordon slips up just once, the Patriots will have no problem cutting him.
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I don't see meathead sticking with the Pats for long. He will mess up. Just a matter of time. He may have a great year this season. He certainly has the talent. But he will eventually mess up again. It is his nature. He's a loser.
That we got a fifth-round pick for him is amazing. I thought there would be no way in the world we'd get more than a conditional seventh.
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Because we are cleveland, I have no doubt this move will come back to haunt us over and over ....its just how it is for us
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How can you have two sets of rules and expect your players to buy in?
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Dorsey seems to be the first GM that's going to expect the same set of rules for everyone on the roster and I for one think it's way past time for it. Absolutely. Old pal Michael Lombardi is now a contributor with The Athletic and wrote a piece on Josh Gordon today that speaks to your point. Here's an excerpt..... Throughout Gordon’s entire playing career, there have been two sets of rules for every team he has been a part of — one set for him, and one set for the others. When I was in Cleveland the one year with Gordon, he was aloof, distant and was on his program. He never took part in special teams practice, never ran scout team reps, never did any extra conditioning or hung around the facility fine-tuning his craft. He was immensely talented, and that carried him. That will not be the case with Belichick. If Gordon slips up just once, the Patriots will have no problem cutting him.
Since Lombardi was here we had heard many times how Gordon has turned over a new leaf and the old Gordon, described by Lombardi, is now history.
Well, seems that the old Gordon, described by Lombardi, appeared again recently and the lack of appreciation for another chance was just too much for Hue and Dorsey.
Can't win with a guy that believes he is so special that the team rules do not apply to him. Gordon will not last long in NE...
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With that said, the trade could make us look very bad. If any organization can get Josh to turn it around, it's NE. It's not just BB, but it's also all the vets they have on the team who already by in. And none of those guys are bigger than Tom Brady. Who the hell isn't going to listen to him?
Josh could flourish there and the national media will roast us. Many of our own fans will roast us.
But how likely is it, really, that Josh Gordon will undergo a complete personality transplant and become a hardworking, dedicated, team-first player who learns his playbook, his route trees, and runs tight, crisp routes? For six years, Josh Gordon was enabled by the Cleveland Browns. The Browns enabled his selfishness, his aloofness, his petulance, his lollygagging, his excuses, his lies, and so on and so on and so on. These incredibly bad and self-destructive habits are now deeply ingrained into Josh's character. (More so - this atrocious behavior goes back to college and likely high school. Josh has been a coddled, selfish jerk for over a decade now.) But now... Josh Gordon goes to the Patriots and has to abide by the Patriots Way. He has to show up on time, learn his playbook, work hard, run actual routes, be accountable, responsible, disciplined, and dedicated. Josh Gordon has never done any of these things in his life. Indeed, his stubbornness to avoid doing these things is nothing short of stunning. Can people change their behavior and even their fundamental personality? Yes. But does it happen often or quickly? No. Not at all. Versatile, you're a coach. You've seen the truth of this. It is very likely that Josh Gordon will fail with the Patriots.
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With that said, the trade could make us look very bad. If any organization can get Josh to turn it around, it's NE. It's not just BB, but it's also all the vets they have on the team who already by in. And none of those guys are bigger than Tom Brady. Who the hell isn't going to listen to him?
Josh could flourish there and the national media will roast us. Many of our own fans will roast us.
But how likely is it, really, that Josh Gordon will undergo a complete personality transplant and become a hardworking, dedicated, team-first player who learns his playbook, his route trees, and runs tight, crisp routes? For six years, Josh Gordon was enabled by the Cleveland Browns. The Browns enabled his selfishness, his aloofness, his petulance, his lollygagging, his excuses, his lies, and so on and so on and so on. These incredibly bad and self-destructive habits are now deeply ingrained into Josh's character. (More so - this atrocious behavior goes back to college and likely high school. Josh has been a coddled, selfish jerk for over a decade now.) But now... Josh Gordon goes to the Patriots and has to abide by the Patriots Way. He has to show up on time, learn his playbook, work hard, run actual routes, be accountable, responsible, disciplined, and dedicated. Josh Gordon has never done any of these things in his life. Indeed, his stubbornness to avoid doing these things is nothing short of stunning. Can people change their behavior and even their fundamental personality? Yes. But does it happen often or quickly? No. Not at all. Versatile, you're a coach. You've seen the truth of this. It is very likely that Josh Gordon will fail with the Patriots. We all made excuses for him. Why ? Because we all wanted to see that talent, that potential, on the field for our team. I doubt if anyone will ever see that talent realized, and that's a pity. It is what it is...
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He may succeed in NE but that is probably the only place he could because of BB and the Patriots way. I doubt it could ever happen here. Lord knows our Browns tried; for SIX YEARS!!!!!
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No, it is not likely. However, if there is any one team that can turn him around, it's NE because of the culture they have established.
The Pats have taken shots on guys w/character issues in the past. Some pan out, like Moss and Corey Dillon. Others do not, like K2, Britt, Floyd, Hernandez, etc
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I agree. If Gordon does turn it around in NE we are going to see alot of people walking around with there hindsight 20/20 vision. Complaining about the team trading him and how it was such an obvious mistake.
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I agree. If Gordon does turn it around in NE we are going to see alot of people walking around with there hindsight 20/20 vision. Complaining about the team trading him and how it was such an obvious mistake. I won’t ... i dont know why we would send him there knowing his backround and knowing the “patriot way” and then making anything we get contingent on him being active for 10 weeks ... I think thats just STUPID and a BAD BUSINESS decision ... No clue if the niners actually made and offer or not ... if they did and they offered a 6th for him ... that pick won’t be to far away from the Pats 5th round pick ... the 9er are not a good football team right now ... not a lot of talent there ... Crap ... if the Jills offered a 6th that one could very well end up being the pick right after the pats 5th round pick ... *L* Wouldn’t that have made more sense? ... I’ll be STUNNED if Josh don’t get cut ... then we get squadoosh and he gets what he more than likely what he wanted all along ... a new contract ...
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Don't we still get the 5th? As I understand it if he were to get cut we would have to send them back a 7th. But, I agree that it is not the best landing spot as far as we are concerned but who knows maybe it wrks to our advantage. Patriots play the Steelers this year, maybe Gordon and the Patriots knock the Steelers out of the playoffs.
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the rumors were that all teams were offering a 7th round pick ... so we said a 6th would get it done ... and the Pats didn't have a 6th, so they made it their 5th.
BB must feel it's worth the risk
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After six years of "supporting" JG, it took me about six MINUTES to completely get-over him being gone. How many 'last-chances' does one guy get? And this isn't even substance-abuse related.
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If were gauranteed the 5th ... im on board ... i may be wrong ... i may have mis understood ... hope your right dawg ...  Thanks for the info 4life ... that changes a lot also ... Appreciate it sir ..
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For the life of me I’ll never understand why the hell they didn’t trade JG before the 2018 draft. Whatever. Moving on.
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j/c After many years the Josh Gordon experiment has finally come to an end. Strikingly successful.  (And good luck NE with the continuance of that.)
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If were gauranteed the 5th ... im on board ... i may be wrong ... i may have mis understood ... hope your right dawg ... Thanks for the info 4life ... that changes a lot also ... Appreciate it sir ..
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Who and What is a Josh Gordon?
He will come close to being the leading WR in the NFL but before playoffs come about he will fail a drug test and be that guy again. Good luck Pat Fans... 
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No, it is not likely. However, if there is any one team that can turn him around, it's NE because of the culture they have established.
The Pats have taken shots on guys w/character issues in the past. Some pan out, like Moss and Corey Dillon. Others do not, like K2, Britt, Floyd, Hernandez, etc If I recall tho, the guys that pan out vs the guys that don't. look at the difference in them. Moss and Dillion - If I remember correctly, were not inherently BAD people. They just had big heads, egos, etc. K2, Hernandez - well, their stories tell you what the type of people they are/were JG - seems to be of the latter character wise.
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If were gauranteed the 5th ... im on board ... i may be wrong ... i may have mis understood ... hope your right dawg ... Thanks for the info 4life ... that changes a lot also ... Appreciate it sir .. I think we are guaranteed the 5th. If JG is not active for some number of games, I think 10, then we have to give them a 7th.
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That's correct. It's a good trade for the Browns, all things considered.
I'd have been happy with a conditional 7th and just getting rid of the guy. Bonus points for clearing some salary.
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We are swapping a 7th for a 5th.
He wont make 10 games
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Agreed. He had no pressure here for obvious reasons. The expectations in NE are very high. BB is as tough to play for as any coach ever was. IF JG couldn't handle it here how will he handle it there? Good luck. He'll need it. By the way EO, I hope you are doing well!!
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If he says that pressure/stress add to his desire to do drugs and drink ... then he just went from the frying pan to the fire in NE
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About Josh Gordon, Belichick says “we’ll talk about it when it’s done, if it’s done.” Says the “finish of the trade” isn’t done even though it’s on the transaction wire.
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I’m to lazy and tired to get back and get the link ... it came from the site i always reference ... i had all ready ciopied some info on AB ...
Just read the Patriots signed Coleman to their practice squad ... didnt even know he was eligible ...
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I wouldn't have thought Coleman was still eligible for PS ... what a weird month he's had
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Coleman demanded a trade because he wasn't starting. Welcome to reality, kid.
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Coleman demanded a trade because he wasn't starting. Welcome to reality, kid. I was just about to say this. When reality hits, it hits HARD.
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How can you have two sets of rules and expect your players to buy in?
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Dorsey seems to be the first GM that's going to expect the same set of rules for everyone on the roster and I for one think it's way past time for it. Absolutely. Old pal Michael Lombardi is now a contributor with The Athletic and wrote a piece on Josh Gordon today that speaks to your point. Here's an excerpt..... Throughout Gordon’s entire playing career, there have been two sets of rules for every team he has been a part of — one set for him, and one set for the others. When I was in Cleveland the one year with Gordon, he was aloof, distant and was on his program. He never took part in special teams practice, never ran scout team reps, never did any extra conditioning or hung around the facility fine-tuning his craft. He was immensely talented, and that carried him. That will not be the case with Belichick. If Gordon slips up just once, the Patriots will have no problem cutting him. I'll be honest, when I saw that Lombardi was weighing in on the whole thing, I didn't click the link and told myself I might come back to read it. I was too angry to read one of the people that was responsible for handling Gordon, dump more on the team. I'm shocked that Lombardi wrote what he did. Seemed like a pretty balanced take on the whole situation with JG and Cleveland. Seems to imply shared responsibility (Gordon for being a turd, and Cleveland for going along with it).
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Is it just me or does anyone else have a hard time dealing with the fact that these teams have no issues and will pickup these freeloading slackers while they boycott a known NFL caliber QB because his stance on equality for all?
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Is it just me or does anyone else have a hard time dealing with the fact that these teams have no issues and will pickup these freeloading slackers while they boycott a known NFL caliber QB because his stance on equality for all? According to John Elway's own words, he offered Kap a backup QB job and he declined.
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Is it just me or does anyone else have a hard time dealing with the fact that these teams have no issues and will pickup these freeloading slackers while they boycott a known NFL caliber QB because his stance on equality for all? And the safety also... You can be anything in the NFL, except a liberal...
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Is it just me or does anyone else have a hard time dealing with the fact that these teams have no issues and will pickup these freeloading slackers while they boycott a known NFL caliber QB because his stance on equality for all? And the safety also... You can be anything in the NFL, except a liberal...  
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