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The #Patriots are getting close on a deal for #Browns WR Josh Gordon, source said. Not official yet but headed that way.

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Oh dear god....

Oh wow someone called it earlier and predicted they'd cut Coleman to make room. How ironic would that be?

Good for them. He's worthless here.


Watch after all the loyalty the team showed him, the first chance he gets he will [censored] on the Browns. 100% lock it in, guarantee.

Get ready for the

If that helps them beat anyone else from the AFC North in the playoffs, go for it.

Highest bidder is all I'm asking (three 1st rounders ).

I wish him the best. I really do. At some point, you have to draw a line in the sand, no matter how much talent someone has.

The Browns had their line, josh went over it. And I was one of his biggest advocates on this board. It was time for us to part ways.

I'm winning my fantasy football championships this year

Well, if Brady and Belichick can't straighten him out, no one can.

Hope we get a good asset for him, since there seems to be so much interest.

We better get a first for Billy not calling us about Jimmy g

Ill settle for their kicker

Aaaand, he owes us some loose change for Shelton. I predict they give us back our 2018 5th round pick from that trade.

I have mixed emotions about Gordon being traded unless the Browns suspect that Gordon has already fallen off the wagon or is damn close to it.

Is it too much to ask of Gordon, be on time and don't lie to us?

Showing up on Saturday, claiming you have a hammy bothering you..that was a BS move on Gordon's part. After putting up with Gordon's crap for so long, knowing the guy has the ability to one of the very best WRs in the NFL, yet can't get his freaking head screwed on straight.

It sucks for the Browns..but that seems to be par for the course in Cleveland. One way to look at it..we did ok without Gordon yesterday.

Hopefully the Browns get something for him.

Maybe Belichick is going to have Gordon move in with Tom Brady?

Brady has kids and a wife.

Would you really want Gordon to live w/your wife and kids?

He could always teach them how to be late, not be a good team mate, screw over your employer and waste your career. Who wouldn't want a role model like that around your children?

Perfect situation for Gordon..he can be Brady's babysitter!

vers, you do know I wasn't being serious...

He's a victim and we have no reason to move on from him.

Yeah, that is sarcasm.

I was kidding, as well.

First of all, somebody on here mentioned that he already [explitive, past tense] on the Browns earlier today. Posted a video of him laughing at the TV saying the team lost trust in him.


Here's the thing, and I'd love to hear people more knowledgeable than I weigh in on it. Is going to NE really the best case scenario for these guys (guys like Coleman and Josh)? I get playing with Tom Brady is awesome for WRs, but playing on that team is SO much more than just catching passes from one of the greatest QBs ever, right? The whole culture is just so intense and demanding on so many levels. How can anyone expect a kid that walked into his coaches office throwing a temper tantrum about running with the 2's to survive, much less thrive in NE? How can anyone expect someone that just up and leaves TC with no warning and really not that great of an explanation, and who routinely shows up late (blah blah blah, not gonna rehash all of Gordon's issues) to stick in NE? Everyone knows it takes talent to win, but Bill B is a honeybadger, and if you don't conform, you get tossed out on your butt.

BB has been a last chance motel for years ... not all make it through the night.

I doubt belichick gives us anything more then a 5th or 6th. Of cocourse Gordon will turn his life around and being a hall of fame wr for them with our luck

He's 27, not a chance he makes the hall of fame. He is looking to get paid and when he does he will go back to being Josh even if he does manage to get it right in NE.

I agree its gotta be something late they are giving up...I believe people thinking it's a higher draft pick is all mirrors and smoke

I think the real surprise is anyone is willing to give up anything for him.

Not if he has to use his cocain to get around with the hammy.

We'll probably trade him for a hammy sandwich.

The hammy sandwich is more valuable.

Josh Gordon trade expected to be announced at 4:20.

https://twitter.com/Cleveland_elf/status/1041780522043813893

Trade now agreed to: Patriots are sending Cleveland a 5th-round pick and if Gordon isn't active for 10 games, Patriots get back a late-round pick from Browns, sources tell ESPN.

As @rapsheet reported, Patriots were closing in on trade for Gordon.
Trade now official.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1041782773126717446

Can we lock this thread and never discuss this again?

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd he's not even hurt. . .

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1041783464712957953

If it were only that easy.

New Patriots WR Josh Gordon is healthy enough from his strained hamstring to play Sunday vs. the Lions, per source.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1041783464712957953

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1041784583048650753

So, no NFC team was willing to offer a conditional 5th round pick? That was a little surprising, figured at least one NFC team would take a 5th rd stab at him.

A 5th isn't bad for a guy you were going to cut, and a guy who may not make it to next week based on his very troubled history.

Goodbye Josh. I wish that football had been one of the 3 or 4 most important things in your life.

Can’t believe minn or Phil didn’t get in the game, esp philly they have squat

I'm betting that being in the stability of the Patriots organization, after only being with the chaos of the Browns organization, will be very helpful for his football career.













Or he will be cut in two weeks.

Basically told Gordon thanks for wasting our time for 6 years, here’s a super bowl ring

Source: in order to make room for Josh Gordon, the Patriots are cutting recently-signed WR Corey Coleman.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1041784894668660736

Patriots trying to recreate the Randy Moss years with Josh Gordon....

Ouch

Steeler nation is not happy today with this news.

So who do we now fill with his roster spot?

Probably someone off the practice squad and then reevaluate Friday.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1041786232366358529

lol true

always the bridesmaid never the bride

Not Dez

has their been a worse NFL franchise at drafting WRs QBs and LBers since 1999.??? my gosh

j/c

So, does he have to pass a drug test before the trade is truly final?

Fixed it.

Lions?

Wait... please tell me this trade was announced at 4:20.

No, that was just some Twit trying to be funny.

Jimmy Haslam probably wishing he would not have vetoed the Gordon trade Banner had setup with 49ers for a second rounder and other players.

Part of me says good riddance, this guy has been cancer since 2014.

Part me says, of all the places to make us look bad for trading him New England could be the one.

As well as, if he can’t make it in NE, the league will have to admit we were right and the guy is lost.



Side note, when looking Gordons all pro year up…John Dorsey was executive of the year in 2013.

If I've learned anything from investing it's that once you sell your interest, you sell ALL your interest. The deal is done, don't speak of it again.

So, the hamstring that kept him out of the game in New Orleans has healed in two days? Hell of a drug, whatever he took.

That's what it looks like. That said, it actually was very close.. the earliest article I can find published was at 4:18.

....

Everything I want to type right now would be blocked as an expletive.

Why trade with them after they snubbed us??? Why for such a low value?
At least we should've shipped him to an NFC team right?

Ok gonna step away from keyboard before I break my computer.

Is anyone else super angry right now?

You know,
This is why the Browns just lose. There is NO WAY i send him to the team that would not trade Jimmy G to me. There is NO WAY an AFC team gets him. But of course, the Pats rehab program goes into full effect, and he turns into an all pro. How Stupid!!.. I would have done Gordon like the cowboys did Dez, make him report to an older adult at ALL TIMES!!!.. But we put in the rehab work, Pats get the wins!!... Oh, and don't tell me that ALL 3 people Hue/Dorsey/Jimmy slick did not all go in on this!! Hell, this sounds like a stupid Dorsey move for sure.

There goes a late round pick

Man, if Flash puts up big numbers with NE we will never get the egg off our face...

I know that sometimes you just have to cut bait....but he's ready to play on Sunday? Did he lie about the hammy and out doctors didn't catch it?

Man, it just never ends in Clowns town....

And NE fans are saying that the Browns will probably resign him ... Not a chance!

Yeah, if Gordon goes All-Pro style this year, I dunno if I can keep supporting the Browns.

I obviously can't switch because Browns are in my blood, but I may have to just stop watching NFL all together.

called it.

So I tend to give the Patriots the benefit of the doubt. They've earned it. Five Super Bowl wins, eight AFC championships, and 17 straight winning seasons will do that (so much for parity.)

That said, I can't help but think they don't really know what they're getting themselves into. The Patriots had a literal murderer on their team in Aaron Hernandez, and they (very reasonably) cut ties with him very early in that process, but now they are trading for a guy who has admitted to shooting at people during his troubled youth.

Even on the football field, what has Gordon really contributed since 2013? It's been a whole lot of lackadaisical effort, not knowing (or caring about) the playbook, suspensions, and look-at-me social media posts. Sounds like a great fit in New England.

I still think a lot of Gordon's behavior stems from wanting a new contract. This includes skipping training camp and his most recent hamstring 'injury'... it sounds like he's already cleared to play, I'm just saying. But he's still also on the same contract and is basically in the same contractual situation with the Patriots. Had the Browns cut him, he'd get that guaranteed money *plus* whatever any other team offered. Now still the same contract, still a restricted free agency if he finishes the season.

A reasonable person would think ok, just stay on the straight and narrow. Stay sober, learn the playbook, be a good teammate, dominate on the field. The money will come in windfalls. Is this something that Gordon can grasp and apply for a year or longer? Time will tell.

Because trading an young up and coming QB in conference isn’t the same as trading a WR on his literal last chance in the NFL.

As for value, a few NFC teams were talking but the Pats has the best offer.

I don’t think we play the Pats next year and by then, he’ll be a free agent.

How many Players of ours that went to Pats made a real impact.. Or even lasted a few games.. He wasnt doing squat here. Its time to move on.

"In addition, the club signed WR Rod Streater.

Streater is 6-2, 195-pounds and in his sixth NFL season out of Temple. Originally signed by Oakland as an undrafted free agent in 2012, Streater has appeared in 52 games with the Raiders (36) and 49ers (16). He has recorded 127 receptions for 1,755 yards and 10 touchdowns. He spent the preseason with the Bills. Streater is a native of Burlington, N.J."

--I am not impressed

It should be clear to anyone that Gordon didn't want to be here, had no intention of expending any effort here, and that he basically engineered his own exit from here. I'd be willing to bet that there was never any hamstring injury, going back to when he finally reported to training camp.

j/c

that'll end it ... the saga is over

Rod Streater on the other hand? BLAH

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#LovesHimSomeBrownies Belichick's ex-Browns collection includes Gerard Warren, Jabaal Sheard, Barkevious Mingo, Kenny Britt, Corey Coleman ...

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Sheard did well for them

Danny Shelton.

And still a factor for the Colts.

Right? I've been over it since the news broke Saturday. Don't care that he's in the AFC, don't care that he went to the Patriots. Had they traded him to a division rival it would be different. I would bet my last dollar that there is no way "Brady to Gordon", against the Browns, will ever have any impact on our season.

We've had his back for six seasons and it's been one big middle finger right in our faces. Buh-bye Josh. Don't let the door hit you in your ungrateful, no-play-knowing, space cadet, prima donna, cocaine snorting, pot smoking, cough syrup guzzling a$$.

At the end of the day we traded a 7th round pick for a 5th round pick... this chump will be shacked up with a broke drug dealer by Christmas. He confessed to the world all of his misfortune and told how happy he was to be given another chance... one year later he's guzzling Blatz in the parking lot before he walks in late to say his hammy hurts.

So happy the drama is over that I could literally celebrate.

Will Josh Gordon be on the @Patriots active roster on Week 17?

Yes +140
No -180

Odds via @betonline_ag

https://twitter.com/OddsShark/status/1041799353411817474

Never going to stay clean...

Unfortunately for him, true. Josh Gordon is one of the smoothest liars ever....even on his going away tweet he knows exactly what to say....but, he CAN'T be relied on....he's doomed and I agree perfectly we've swapped a 5th for a 7th with NE....their problem now. Wonder if Corey Coleman has learned anything from his multiple releases....hope he saved some of his money...wonder if he's sold any shoes yet.....GO Browns!!!

Rod Streater? What are we going to do with him? Does he return punts?

yeah. Lost in all this is Coleman. Cut from the browns , cut from the bills, cut from the patriots. In a matter of what? 3 weeks? 4 ?

if he's going to make it IMO, it's with a regimented team like NE ... we probably allowed him too much slack to run with

Does the 10 game condition have anything to do do with drug test only??? Or if bill decides the experiment failed 9 weeks in and isn't getting production he can cut him and get a pick for making a bad trade?

Ouch.

Hope for his sake he can find another team.

In essence this goes back to: you either trust Dorsey or you do not.

I don't get the "don't trade with the Pats"?

If they offered the best deal then why not. They didn't trade us Garoppolo? That makes no difference now.

The Browns have yet to establish an identity. The Patriots have an identity.

Dorsey is trying to build a culture. Hue is trying to build a playing personalty.

Dorsey has been willing to give guys second chances. We drafted Callaway. But once they are in house there has to rules. Guys have to be accountable for their actions. Their teammates and coaches have to depend upon them.

I wish Josh well. If he tears it up with the Pats; so be it.

His time with the Browns had to end.

Dorsey wasn't here...

You just KNOW that Bill will find a way to not activate him enough so he can get another pick back, just have that feeling.

The tin-foil hatter in me always suspected that Josh never wanted to play for the browns, and did all he could to orchestrate his way out of town, while still being young enough to get some pro-bowl years and paid a high contract, well, mission accomplished douchebag. I'm so annoyed with him, I honestly don't wish him the best.

The Patriots system is so precise and timing and route running is everything, he won't make it I think.

He probably will. He doesn't seem to have a problem finding a team. I think his problem is staying with that team for more than a couple of weeks. (and I know, he was with the browns for 2 years. With broken bones)

We were going to cut him anyway. Plus, they're behind the Phins and have already lost a tiebreaker to the Jags for homefield advantage. It's crazy early, but I don't think they'll be coasting any time soon (not enough to start resting a key WR to avoid sending back a late round pick).

Josh better not think he's going to get away with running his games in NE. I'm pretty sure Brian Hoyer will give Brady the 411 on Gordon's penchant for breaking off / half-assing routes, free-lancing, and generally not being where he's supposed to be on any given play. Gordon cost Hoyer 3-4 Int's the year he came back from suspension mid-year with that kind of BS.

Well Coleman always has his shoe collection.

I wish I could recall the name of the poster but someone called this not very long time ago. JG, traded, NE and NE would cut Coleman to make room for JG.

Whoever that was, please PM me. We have winning lotto numbers to predict lol.

Wish for our sake he had been worth the draft pick.

Posted yesterday that we would trade Gordon for a kicker.. on the off chance that I'm right.. and the 5th round seems reasonable to me..

Here is the top 8 early draft prospects at kicker

Sounds like we already know what to do with our first pick, hahahahaha.

Roberto Aguayo, anyone?

He helped make TT look a bit underwelming the first two games also

Which is greater?

A. The number of receiving yards in Coleman's career

or

B. The number of yards his shoe collection spans if lined up heel to toe

Just about done with this organization at this point. Beyond frustrated. I want to see a press conference immediately.

what about pairs of shoes or number of brain cells

I like this John Dorsey fellow.

He has as much love, patience, understanding, and sympathy for no-talent, lollygagger, airhead, diva, snowflake wide receivers as I do.

Immediately upon arrival, Dorsey blew Kenny Britt right out of Berea. Britt has tried to catch on elsewhere, including with the Patriots, but got cut.

Corey Coleman whined for a trade and Dorsey obliged him. Coleman traded to the Bills, who cut him. Picked up by the Patriots, and they cut him too.

Rookie Callaway pulled a stupid stunt and was put on blast on Hard Knocks and in front of the team. Dorsey stomps on the diva flake crap from the rookie receiver quickly.

Dorsey then traded away Josh Gordon after yet more JG Drama. Huzzah!

Dorsey got rid of three useless diva wide receivers in nine months and put a fourth one on notice. This is an excellent track record. For the first time in years, I have hope that a Browns GM knows how to build a proper wide receiver corps. First, get rid of the useless idiots and then build from there.

Thank you John Dorsey.

Against the Steelers Gordon was on the field for 69 snaps and he got 3 targets, 1 catch. Clearly, he wasn't where Tyrod was expecting him to be on more than a few plays in that game. We threw the ball 40 times in that game, and our all-world WR gets 3 targets? How many of those were the "mistakes" Todd Haley was talking about in his presser last week?

Don't get me started....

Dammit-I'm started!

I am so pissed it's not funny! Why there? You basically rewarded him for being a major 'organ' FOR SIX YEARS!

And for that little? Seriously? And if he's not active for 10 games we have to give them a pick? What the hell?

This is (and it so pains me to say this) SO DAMN CLEVELAND! This angers me back decades! If Art doesn't move the team, Bill is still the coach and THOSE 5 SUPERBOWLS ARE OURS!

Cause Brady would've been a Brown! Brady would've gotten in Josh's face and said that don't fly here!

Sure, send the guy that took you for granted for all this time to one of the best quarterbacks ever to play for one of the best coaches since PAUL BROWN!

BUT NO! WE JUST HAD TO FIND A WAY TO CLEVELAND IT UP!

God needs to tell Lebron to come back to make all this go away!

Consider this rant on pause...

Whats the big deal..? We got a 5th in the bag and at worst give back a 7th if he doesnt make ten games. So at worst we swapped a 7th for a 5th and got rid of cancer.. We need reliable guys that LOVE to play.

Settle down Ted. It was the best offer. At least I assume it was.

Being in the AFC is no big deal. We roll though there what? Every 4 years? We aren't likely to catch them with a similar record for a while. If we sent him to Oakland, I might be with you.

Now if NE turns around and trades him for a 2nd rounder to the Steelers, that might stink. Not sure if we would have any recourse over that with the league.


It is what it is, the guy wanted out of Cleveland.


There is a positive. I think Calloway can be a player. He now gets his chance.

Good luck Josh, BB won't coddle you so this is your last second chance from the Browns...

Calloway may not be able to replace JG. Calloway seems to care about winning. Gordon is now another guy to beat. Somebody working hard deserves to play. Welcome aboard you newbies! Win some!

How about we start this Thursday?

Yeah that did sound odd in the trade agreement...and he always for the most part gets the upper hand in the trade.

Steelers offered a 4th lol

they did??

i cant believe they got rid of corey coleman for him? and britt is trying out for them again?

Least Corey Coleman gets to visit a lot of cool locker rooms every other week lol

This is what hacks me off the most. After all that effort it's still screw you.

This is what hacks me off the most. After all that effort it's still screw you. [/quo

Josh Gordon Trashing Browns Gear on Snap

https://bustedcoverage.com/2017/04/10/josh-gordon-trashing-browns-gear-on-snap/

sad

What’s sad is he’s still, Flash, in the pan.

This is from January.

J/C

I'm still comfortable with the decision but I get the feeling Gordon is going to go full Randy Moss mode with Brady and we're never going to hear the end about what a stupid, worthless franchise we support.

For a 5th round pick.

Man, that stings. I'd have rather taken a 6th or 7th for Gordon to go to a team who doesn't have a quarterback with a reputation for making nothing look like an All-Pro: Just imagine what he'll make an All-Pro look like.

Uggggggghhhhhhhhh.

j/c:

So, the best offer for the "great" Josh Gordon could only get us a 5 rounder and we might have to give the Pats a draft choice.

And people are dissing the Browns? LMAO

It seems to me that the Browns would have rather traded him to an NFC team, but no one would beat that "killer" offer.

Josh Gordon is a disgusting individual. He has been enabled his entire life. He is liar. He is a selfish person who can't even support the babies he makes.

Joe Banner could have got a second rounder for this jerk and we blew that opportunity.

I am hoping that the Josh Gordon fan boys follow his ass to New England.

yea.. and your point is?

j/c

We took the best (realistic) offer there was. It was this or get nothing at all. Period.

I suspect that he was hoping to get released and become a free agent to score a new contract. Perhaps that is what all of his "personal time" during camp was about.... who knows, but it wouldn't surprise me. His return to the league last season was certainly well planned and orchestrated, so this type of thing would totally be possible.

Finally, we traded a guy with an attitude that wants to stroll in late all the time to a team with a coach that will NOT tolerate that crap and a front office that isn't going to bend over backwards to pay him.


Regardless of how he performs this season, he was NOT going to show up like his old self here... in that light, we did the right thing and took what we could get.


I supported Josh every step of the way here, but he earned - and CHOSE - his way out of Cleveland, and we gave it to him, but we didn't make his life easier by any means. Belichick won't put up with his act.

The hell is wrong with ya'll? Be as pissed at Gordon as you want for wasting our time and his own talents, but talking about someone's children is utterly disturbing.

Say what you want about Gordon, but let's not be the forum that brings children into it.

Be better.

Why does it matter when it was from? It shows Gordon for the piece of crap he is.

I am not "bringing" his children into it. I am not bad-mouthing his children. I want them to have a chance in life. I am saying he should support them.

Is he known for being a deadbeat dad?

I'm surprised by your reply. In a good way.

I have to admit that you were the first guy I thought of when the news of Josh surfaced. You've shared your history and I know that you always supported Josh w/passion. I understood why.

And I admit I felt really bad for you when the news broke.

Troubled Browns star may face jail time over child-support battle

https://nypost.com/2018/08/17/troubled-browns-star-faces-jail-time-over-child-support-battle/

Yes. He hasn't been paying it for his two kids. One of the mothers took him to court and Gordon could be facing jail time.

Ok. I looked this over. It's kind of stupid.

$6,765 per month in child support

What kid needs that much dough in child support. Seems a bit excessive.

Not saying he shouldn't pay it. But...damn....

Is it just the one kid or one or two others?

It looks like the one kid.

I will always support someone trying to improve themselves; someone that is trying to finally "get it" with recovery.

This isn't a recovery issue.
This is a player trying to play us issue, and I have no tolerance or patience for that.


The more I think about it, the more I suspect/believe that the missed time in camp, the camp hammy, this hammy, etc.... are all somehow contract related; stunts about him wanting to get his rookie deal re-done.

\2 so far..

keep making excuse for the thug. lol

I'm not really, I think he should pay his child support.

It was a little surprising how much it is. But I know nothing about child support costs so...

He is making $790,000 this year. If he paid for his kid, that would leave Josh w/over $700,000 to live on this year. Gee, how can he manage.

I have news for deadbeat dads...........don't have kids if you don't wanna pay for them.

Ok Ok. You all are angry about Josh Gordon.

I guess I'm over it already.

Child support in most states is based off what the spouse paying the support makes ... it has ZERO to do with how much it costs to support a kid ...

Yes, he is

He is many thousands of dollars behind in Child Support Payments

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/...se/95-584398696

Any other man not a football player would have been tossed in jail for failure to pay. If you play football though, i guess you get a free pass to be a deadbeat....

Facts are...the only contributions Josh Gordon has made in several years is to our headaches and heartache...

Odds of probability always strike true...and odds are he'll find trouble once again.

We all need to get along and talk about winning these next two games (very winnable against the Jets and Raiders) Good riddance to Josh Gordon and the 7th round pick lol

Well, I went into a detailed post about this roughly a month ago. You have it mostly right - but it's not solely based on what the person paying the support makes.

In before Josh Gordon goes delinquent on his child support, figuring he won't have to visit Ohio more than once every few years.

so anyways,

man, if gordon manages to play....this will be the best talent at WR Brady had since Moss.

and we all saw what happened when he had Moss.

I was in Josh's corner all through everything. But when I saw him laughing today on Instagram, that changed. The dude is a freaking dirt bag. This organization did everything for him. They let him get away with the TC crap and even lied for him in the press. I hope he not only nfails in NE, I could care les if he fails in life now. He is a disrespectful, lying, piece of crap, and it is all showing up for all to see.

When the players on this team had no reaction to him being shipped out, it told me a lot. He lives in his mind that he is the player he was in his probowl year. He may still have the talent, but in his mind he feels he doesn't have to work for it. All through Haley's presser, I couldn't help but think that he was talking mostly about Gordon screwing up.


I was all wrong about this guy. He is self centered and has been spoiled by this franchise. The franchise that kept his chance at a career alive, he just spit in their face. I hope he fails on all levels. I know that will sound harsh to many, but to respect a human being, they have to show respect in return.


I'll say this though, if Belichek dumps him, he can kiss any chance of making that big pay day goodbye.


This dude is a con artist and a lowlife. It is very clear to me now.

Win win for Josh and the pats.... sure he'll put up huge numbers

Brady won't put up with him running the wrong routes. He is not going to change, he is a legend in his own mind.

Good post. I think what's tragic in this is how long the Browns stood by this guy and he screwed them every step of the way.

I find it annoying that some are blaming the Browns in this situation. That's not fair.

Browns gave him more than every opportunity to step up, he blew this not the browns. I fully understand the why, I just hate that somebody else will benefit from his talent after all we did.

Lets just lock this thread and move on...It's done and over...Next man up.

Yeah, it sucks that he went to NE...........because if any team can turn him around, it's them.

Even if he balls out, I won't care.

Why does anyone actually think he’s finally going to not be an idiot in NE? He is who he is... and we know he that is... and that guy has no business in the NFL.

Josh probally was thinking "this franchise needs me more than I need the franchise"
especially coming off a 0 and 16 campaign and a offense starved for playmakers.
he felt he could go by his own set of rules.with footbaĺl and
child support payments.
Im Josh Gordon if I dont feel like paying child support or being on time screw them.

Full compensation trade update: Patriots send Browns a 2019 fifth-round pick for WR Josh Gordon and get back a 2019 seventh-round pick if he is not active for 10 games, source tells ESPN.

Hmm.. I wanna look at this for a min here..

This means they make him active for 9 games, then make him inactive and
keep him and pick up a 7th.

IIRC, this reminds me how we did the Greco deal with the Rams..

CLEVELAND -- The Browns traded a conditional seventh-round pick in 2012 to the Rams for guard John Greco, a league source said.

The Browns will only have to surrender the pick if Greco becomes a starter.

*** So all we did is play him on the 2nd play of each game. He never became a starter that year and we never gave the Rams diddly for Greco..

Anybody benefitting from him is wishful thinking IMO. Even if he stays with NE all year, I would be willing to bet they trade him next year. His act does not change.

I guess this shows just how screwed up Josh Gordon is if that is the "best" offer the Browns received.

Exactly. Bill is not stupid, he gave up little to take a chance.Once he sees what Gordon is about, he will bench him when needed and get his 7th round pick. Then he will trade him for a couple more picks next offseason to some sucker.

Or............Josh will fail another test before then.

Or, he puts up big numbers and has a great year with a great QB chucking the rock his way.

I supported him, held out hope.

He's gone now, we're done with him. The rest is just wasted energy.

Some of you need to settle down.

Fact 1 - Josh has given us absolutely nothing in a fistful of years
Fact 2 - Josh is a pee test away from never seeing the field again
Fact 3 - Josh it looks like has not been studying the playbook, nor has been committed to the team, who has stuck by him for YEARS.
Fact 4 - Josh was given a 0 tolerance policy when he returned, and he broke the agreement. Good bye.

You CANNOT BLAME this FO for letting him go. IF you are mad, be mad at JG. I was one of his biggest supporters, simply because i wanted his talent on the field. But at a certain point, you are simply enabling this behavior by accepting it. Cutting bait is the best thing for this organization, and I applaud Dorsey for having the stones to do so.

Bravo.

Doubtful. NE Offense is probably the most complex offense in the NFL and requires the WR to read Defenses as much as the QB. It requires intelligence, good route running, and good hands - Coleman lacked all three and Gordon two out of the three. He will be no different than Ocho, Michael Floyd, etc.

Hes gone ... time to move on ...

He ended up getting what he deserved...

But quit making crap up ... u guys can talk til your bluenin the face but it doesn’t change the fact he played the last 5 games for us last year and MADE A HELL OF A CATCH TO hel[p us tie Pit ...

THATS NOT NOTHING .... u guys have a great case ... u dont need to SAY THINGS THAT SIMPLY AREN’T TRUE ...

THROW FACT 1 OUT BRO ... its simply not true ...

ON TO THURSDAY NIGHT ...

I think he'll find the culture in New England is nowhere near as forgiving as Cleveland. This will be no easy adjustment for Gordon.

would be sweet to see britt and gordon and coleman win it all...

jk...i know britt is gone...

bill loves to show he can do more with our ex`s

Coleman is also gone, to make room for Gordon.

Britt and Coleman are gone, but why would that be "sweet?"

J/C ... I found this to be very insightful:

Josh Gordon trade: Seven times the Patriots turned another team’s castoff into treasure - CBSSports.com
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-...-into-treasure/

The thing that makes the Patriots different from some other teams is that they know when to give up on a project.


I think that is very true. They will take a chance on a player, but they don't compound a "mistake" by sticking with a player who can't help them just because of what they paid for him.

I do think that Dorsey has some of that in him as well.

Bill won't have to bench him. Gordon will bench himself when he realizes he act won't play as well over there.

what's the old saying? Nobody's as loyal as the team that drafted you?

I don't think JG even knows what it's like to be under a team that holds you accountable and won't take any crap. We'll see how this goes.

Who cares, he's now a Patriots problem.

We've got a ton of Drama queen fans, don't we? Lol

I myself am RELIEVED I don't have to CRINGE when I open up this site every morning, just waiting for the next Gordon problem.

I'm gonna be a hypocrite here. Because I CAN. Was excited to see a full year of Gordon in this offense. I put blinders on as far as any suspension for Gordon. Nah, he's back and good to go.

Now that he's history, I can't possibly see how someone with his past and the YEARS of problems is going to all of a sudden magically be healed. He's WEAK. MY $ IS on something happening and he's Billy Boys problem now.

I'M WAY PAST OVER GORDON ALREADY.

Who called it? I figured Belichick would go after him. (Probably a lot of us thought so though.)

I sometimes wonder if Gordon just wanted out of Cleveland anyhow? If not? He certainly acted like he did and got his wish, if true. But who knows for sure...............

thats been speculated by some people ... that he orchestrated his way out of town by not being accountable here.

We'll see what he's like in NE

We'd have been a better team with him if he had been mentally and physically OK. But I won't miss him much as we haven't had much of his services over the past several years anyway. Next up...

I feel that him trying to force his way out is true, I'm just curious about the extent. How much of what we saw was real, and how much was for "show"?

I'm a little embarrassed to admit this, because it reflects more on me than Gordon/Browns/Patriots... but I'm seriously rooting for him to fail. Hard. The passive aggressive social media stuff from the past 48 hours, plus the more reliable stories about the lead-up to this past Sunday... combined with him magically being healthy for this next game.... It just grinds my gears in a way no player antic has ever had. Maybe because it sorta re-colors a good portion of his time with the Browns.

I'm sure I'll get over it soon and regain my balance. Just putting this out there to give context to any rant-posts that may come from me over the next couple days. This board is one of my outlets. :-p

None of this makes sense. IF Gordon did try to force his way out of Cleveland and this latest "rehab" and then the hamstring injury ( wish seems to have healed miraculously is all part of that. I feel that this team has went so far above and beyond in support of this guy and standing behind him.

It is almost funny how you get mental pictures of how some players are and then when the truth comes out, it is a total shocker.

i.e. for me personally, I always thought of Corey Coleman as " a good kid". Injured often, yes. Maybe not worth a 1st round pick, yes. But always got the impression that he was a good guy. That is until this year and the truth, at least for me, comes out.

And, Gordon. I thought he always seemed appreciative of the Browns organization and how the team has stood behind him and supported him, even though he has contributed nothing to the team. But, it appears that too is wrong.

my biggest problem with this trade is we seem to have rewarded him for a being a malcontent. I would have taken less and sent him somewhere like the bills where his career could go to officially die.

I tend to agree w/this (if that was his intent, which appears to be the case).

Part of me was like "sit him and act like he's not on the team) ... but then part of me is like "get the best deal for him and be done with him"

This is one of the reasons why I would make a terrible GM.

I'm with you on this. I am not rooting for him to fail as a person, I hope he gets his life straightened out. But if I had my choice, he would not play another snap in the NFL. It is petty, I admit, and I am not proud of it. But this team gave him more chances than he deserved and I would hate for another team to reap the benefits of our patience. I do feel that he owes this team some loyalty for all of the support he was given, but he apparently did not agree. So, as a player, screw the d-bag.

I get the league is a business, and players gotta take care of themselves because nobody else will, but the Gordon situation is just so beyond that. The guy dragged this this org through far more than anyone could have ever imagined, and then took several giant dumps on the people that tried to help him far more than anyone could have expected.

I doubt it, but he should realize that the team he's going to would not have put up with anywhere near the amount of entitlement he's shown here.

Ahmennn to this. It's no longer a dark cloud over our heads.

I'm not able to independently verify this but, during the Saints game, the broadcast crew said that Browns players' overwhelmingly support management's decision to move on from Gordon. No doubts or regrets from the roster.

That's a sign.

Root for him to fail? After everything he's done for us??

I could type a book here - I won't. We all know the history, let's look at how it should have played out.

Flashback one year... Gordon has been clean a few months for the first time in his life. He still has a career to look forward to, he still has an organization that supports him 100%. He works hard through the off-season, he comes into OTAs looking like he's carved out of stone. A reporter asks what's on his agenda now that the players get a short break.

"Me? I'm staying right here. I'll be in the building, no need to go anywhere else".

I was SOLD. This dude finally gets it, he's finally conquered his demons!

*What should have (in many cases, could have) followed. High profile player with other-worldly talent steps back on to the field and shows the world why his team was smart to stick with him through thick and thin. Doesn't complain, just works his butt off... works harder than everybody else, becomes a mentor to younger players. Shows what demons you can conquer when you give 110% and have an organization willing to help you every step of the way. Signs a hefty new contract after proving himself for a year. Vows to never leave the organization that saved his career - if not his life.

*What happened instead... the big middle finger. To the Browns brass, to the fans and to the city.
Show up to camp... "nah"
I said it then... this is not JG and his mental health, this is not JG struggling with addiction, it's not being afraid of the HK cameras. This is JG The Diva... "I'm too good for y'all, I don't get paid enough, I ain't tryin to go out there and bust my rump during camp... now if y'all want to talk about a contract that fits my skill-set - we can talk!"

I guaranteed it then and I guarantee it now.

Selfish, arrogant, confused... hides behind a peaceful demeanor and soft-spoken intelligence. "Me, myself and I" is bad enough as an individual, as a member of a team - it's a travesty. Especially when the team has bent over backwards. Fifty-two players, doing everything for "team", waiting for the individual to "show up and save the day". Now that's some 7 and 9 bs.

Good bye Josh, from a football standpoint - it's like we hardly knew ya. From a fan's standpoint, it's been six years of licking our wounds... waiting for Flash to come be the savior. Watching you implode, picking up the pieces, and doing it again... and again. I'm proud that this current brain-trust finally had the balls to rip off the band-aid, bleed for a bit and finally let this wound heel.

Root for you to fail? I will. In the NFL, anyway. I look forward to the day, ten years up the road, where I read that the forlorn "superstar" finally hits rock bottom. Years beyond an NFL career that never panned out, turns his life around and does something meaningful, something that means more than "he, himself and "Flash".

Why the Patriots? Because the smartest men in the building know that this guy is hopeless... and BB will chew him up and spit him out. If, by some miracle, he turns it around, hallelujah. They sent him to the only place in the NFL where it could happen - they did their job even after he refused to do his.

Well stated. My thoughts exactly regarding Gordon.

I think the Browns are a government test to see just how far human loyalty will actually go

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Harrison5/status/1041420594565337090

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Classic ...

jc
Concerning the discussion about Josh's child support

My child support was 20% of my net pay. At that time funds were thin for anything but basic needs, but I never missed a payment nor did I miss an opportunity to have my son when I could.

j/c

I'm going to take a little different approach to this.......

Our fans talk about this team needing discipline. About our players being accountable. And I certainly agree with them. The team is young with some veteran leaders sprinkled in.

So let me pose this to you all. Or ya'll depending on where you may live or where you're from.......

How can you have two sets of rules and expect your players to buy in?

You have one guy who can't seem to be on time, reliable or honest. I mean does anyone think a hamstring healed overnight? This isn't a one time deal but a pattern that's been ongoing since 2014. Giving guys a second chance is a good thing. But by the time they hit their 4th, 5th and 6th chances, at some point you're sending the wrong message to the other 52 guys on your roster.

Gordon hasn't played over a hand full of games in a season since 2013 and it seems his accountability has never been a part of his vocabulary. That's not a valuable player for your team. That's a cancer for your team.

Dorsey seems to be the first GM that's going to expect the same set of rules for everyone on the roster and I for one think it's way past time for it.

that's a very good thought ... an exercise in futility and science

j/c:

I support the move of trading Josh Gordon. I think it's tough to change the culture when one of your high profile guys is a constant distraction and isn't buying into the changes you are trying to implement. That sends a bad message to your younger guys.

With that said, the trade could make us look very bad. If any organization can get Josh to turn it around, it's NE. It's not just BB, but it's also all the vets they have on the team who already by in. And none of those guys are bigger than Tom Brady. Who the hell isn't going to listen to him?

Josh could flourish there and the national media will roast us. Many of our own fans will roast us.

Then again, Josh could pull another Josh and be out of the league. It's too touch to predict, but I can see us catching a lot of grief over this trade.

In the end, I think there are two teams I would not have traded Josh to. One is New England and the other would be the Steelers.

Josh is Gone, now the Pats have that headache, don't get me wrong I loved having Gordon but we never knew when he would stumble and be out of football ...

Pitt, I gave you a like for your post.

I just want to temper my agreement a little bit. I do think there is some room for discretion based on circumstances. But as you say when guys have had chance, after chance, after chance at some point you have to establish a clear boundary that can't be crossed.

I agree with this. I'd take it even further and say that if the trade makes us look bad, who cares? I hate to say it but I couldn't care less what the talking heads on TV say about the Browns. That's not the part that I hate.. the part that I hate is that nothing will be as embarrassing as going 0-16.

If you want respect, win a lot of games. Say two winning seasons in a row. If you want respect it one season, make it to the divisional round of the playoffs (either by getting a first round bye or winning in the wild card round.) 8 out of 32 teams make it that far every year.. that is not too much to ask once in a while.

We had a winning season back in 2007, and everyone went crazy for the Browns. I think we had five prime time games the following season. Turns out that was a flash in the pan but you can't say the Browns didn't get respect from media or the NFL back then. In fact they got too much, too fast (see my guideline above, which actually does a good job of weeding out the pretenders, as we may see from the Bills this season.)

No winning, no respect, it's really that simple. A former Brown possibly succeeding elsewhere... not really concerned about it.

They’re gonna roast us anyway, what’s one more twig in the fire?

That's about where I'm at.

JG moves on to greener pastures and succeeds? Oh well, say what you will. You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that it was the Browns who failed for six years.

Once you decide that you cannot go forward with a player, make whatever move helps your own team the best.

Could it help a good team become even better? Perhaps. Could it blow up on them? Perhaps. Does any of that really matter to your team? No. It can't. Once you decide you cannot continue with a player, get the best deal you can for him, no matter who provides it, and move on.

There were some people thought that when we traded Justin Gilbert to the Steelers that it was a mistake. He was of no use to us, and the Steelers were willing to give up a pick for him. case closed, because we weren't going to keep him anyway.

That's the only way to look at it.

I wonder, how many of those games did he run a wrong route that ended up in an INT, or incompletion on 3rd down during those last 5 games?

Fact 1 is absolutely true - he has not given us a single thing because we have 0 wins since he returned.

He did nothing in those last 5 games, and as far as the tie - eh. Ask yourself this, if he was giving us his ALL, do you think he would have made more than 1 catch? Or do you think we would have targeted him more? Steelers D is atrocious, we threw the ball to JG 3 times, there was a reason for that.....

I absolutely agree with your post 10000%

Especially this:

jc

Seeing as this is a contract year for JG, if I'm not mistaken, and after Gordon watched TT dink and dunk all week 1, he prolly realized he isn't going to put up the numbers he wants to with this offense....so part of me is thinking that he just wanted out..go somewhere with a QB who can just chuck it, and preferably a contender.....he got his wish methinks....

He is under contract for this year and next year IIRC

Restricted free agent next year.

I get what you guys are saying, but you are looking at it logically and rationally. That's not how the national media and certain fans think.

Look at some of the guys on this board who are constantly trying to campaign to get Hue fired and/or are bad-mouthing Dorsey's moves.

I've been around long enough to know how these things work. The negativity usually leads to firings.

I think this team is better than it has been in years, but we have people out there that hell-bent on blowing things up again.

I think it would be an epic mistake to fire guys and turn on the FO. But, I'm smart enough to know that it will happen.

Absolutely.

Old pal Michael Lombardi is now a contributor with The Athletic and wrote a piece on Josh Gordon today that speaks to your point.

Here's an excerpt.....

Throughout Gordon’s entire playing career, there have been two sets of rules for every team he has been a part of — one set for him, and one set for the others. When I was in Cleveland the one year with Gordon, he was aloof, distant and was on his program. He never took part in special teams practice, never ran scout team reps, never did any extra conditioning or hung around the facility fine-tuning his craft. He was immensely talented, and that carried him. That will not be the case with Belichick. If Gordon slips up just once, the Patriots will have no problem cutting him.

I don't see meathead sticking with the Pats for long. He will mess up. Just a matter of time. He may have a great year this season. He certainly has the talent. But he will eventually mess up again. It is his nature. He's a loser.

That we got a fifth-round pick for him is amazing. I thought there would be no way in the world we'd get more than a conditional seventh.

Because we are cleveland, I have no doubt this move will come back to haunt us over and over ....its just how it is for us

Can't have a guy on your team who believes the team rules do not apply to him.

Since Lombardi was here we had heard many times how Gordon has turned over a new leaf and the old Gordon, described by Lombardi, is now history.

Well, seems that the old Gordon, described by Lombardi, appeared again recently and the lack of appreciation for another chance was just too much for Hue and Dorsey.

Can't win with a guy that believes he is so special that the team rules do not apply to him. Gordon will not last long in NE...

But how likely is it, really, that Josh Gordon will undergo a complete personality transplant and become a hardworking, dedicated, team-first player who learns his playbook, his route trees, and runs tight, crisp routes?

For six years, Josh Gordon was enabled by the Cleveland Browns. The Browns enabled his selfishness, his aloofness, his petulance, his lollygagging, his excuses, his lies, and so on and so on and so on. These incredibly bad and self-destructive habits are now deeply ingrained into Josh's character. (More so - this atrocious behavior goes back to college and likely high school. Josh has been a coddled, selfish jerk for over a decade now.)

But now... Josh Gordon goes to the Patriots and has to abide by the Patriots Way. He has to show up on time, learn his playbook, work hard, run actual routes, be accountable, responsible, disciplined, and dedicated.

Josh Gordon has never done any of these things in his life. Indeed, his stubbornness to avoid doing these things is nothing short of stunning.

Can people change their behavior and even their fundamental personality? Yes. But does it happen often or quickly? No. Not at all.

Versatile, you're a coach. You've seen the truth of this. It is very likely that Josh Gordon will fail with the Patriots.

We all made excuses for him. Why ? Because we all wanted to see that talent, that potential, on the field for our team. I doubt if anyone will ever see that talent realized, and that's a pity. It is what it is...

He may succeed in NE but that is probably the only place he could because of BB and the Patriots way. I doubt it could ever happen here. Lord knows our Browns tried; for SIX YEARS!!!!!

No, it is not likely. However, if there is any one team that can turn him around, it's NE because of the culture they have established.

The Pats have taken shots on guys w/character issues in the past. Some pan out, like Moss and Corey Dillon. Others do not, like K2, Britt, Floyd, Hernandez, etc

I agree. If Gordon does turn it around in NE we are going to see alot of people walking around with there hindsight 20/20 vision. Complaining about the team trading him and how it was such an obvious mistake.

I won’t ... i dont know why we would send him there knowing his backround and knowing the “patriot way” and then making anything we get contingent on him being active for 10 weeks ...

I think thats just STUPID and a BAD BUSINESS decision ...

No clue if the niners actually made and offer or not ... if they did and they offered a 6th for him ... that pick won’t be to far away from the Pats 5th round pick ... the 9er are not a good football team right now ... not a lot of talent there ...

Crap ... if the Jills offered a 6th that one could very well end up being the pick right after the pats 5th round pick ... *L*

Wouldn’t that have made more sense? ...

I’ll be STUNNED if Josh don’t get cut ... then we get squadoosh and he gets what he more than likely what he wanted all along ... a new contract ...

Don't we still get the 5th? As I understand it if he were to get cut we would have to send them back a 7th. But, I agree that it is not the best landing spot as far as we are concerned but who knows maybe it wrks to our advantage. Patriots play the Steelers this year, maybe Gordon and the Patriots knock the Steelers out of the playoffs.

the rumors were that all teams were offering a 7th round pick ... so we said a 6th would get it done ... and the Pats didn't have a 6th, so they made it their 5th.

BB must feel it's worth the risk

j/c

After six years of "supporting" JG, it took me about six MINUTES to completely get-over him being gone. How many 'last-chances' does one guy get? And this isn't even substance-abuse related.

If were gauranteed the 5th ... im on board ... i may be wrong ... i may have mis understood ... hope your right dawg ...

Thanks for the info 4life ... that changes a lot also ...

Appreciate it sir ..

For the life of me I’ll never understand why the hell they didn’t trade JG before the 2018 draft. Whatever. Moving on.

j/c

After many years the Josh Gordon experiment has finally come to an end. Strikingly successful.

(And good luck NE with the continuance of that.)

Who and What is a Josh Gordon?

He will come close to being the leading WR in the NFL but before playoffs come about he will fail a drug test and be that guy again. Good luck Pat Fans...

If I recall tho, the guys that pan out vs the guys that don't. look at the difference in them.

Moss and Dillion - If I remember correctly, were not inherently BAD people. They just had big heads, egos, etc.

K2, Hernandez - well, their stories tell you what the type of people they are/were

JG - seems to be of the latter character wise.

I think we are guaranteed the 5th. If JG is not active for some number of games, I think 10, then we have to give them a 7th.

That's correct. It's a good trade for the Browns, all things considered.

I'd have been happy with a conditional 7th and just getting rid of the guy. Bonus points for clearing some salary.

We are swapping a 7th for a 5th.
He wont make 10 games

Agreed. He had no pressure here for obvious reasons. The expectations in NE are very high. BB is as tough to play for as any coach ever was. IF JG couldn't handle it here how will he handle it there? Good luck. He'll need it. By the way EO, I hope you are doing well!!

If he says that pressure/stress add to his desire to do drugs and drink ... then he just went from the frying pan to the fire in NE

About Josh Gordon, Belichick says “we’ll talk about it when it’s done, if it’s done.” Says the “finish of the trade” isn’t done even though it’s on the transaction wire.

Billy's warmth could melt your heart

I’m to lazy and tired to get back and get the link ... it came from the site i always reference ... i had all ready ciopied some info on AB ...

Just read the Patriots signed Coleman to their practice squad ... didnt even know he was eligible ...

Maybe someone will provide a link before the refs delete my post cause i’m A lazy dawg right now ... *L* ...

Report: Patriots bring Corey Coleman back via practice squad

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-england-pa...quad-122163054/

This is crazy.

I wouldn't have thought Coleman was still eligible for PS ... what a weird month he's had

Coleman demanded a trade because he wasn't starting. Welcome to reality, kid.

I was just about to say this. When reality hits, it hits HARD.

I'll be honest, when I saw that Lombardi was weighing in on the whole thing, I didn't click the link and told myself I might come back to read it. I was too angry to read one of the people that was responsible for handling Gordon, dump more on the team.

I'm shocked that Lombardi wrote what he did. Seemed like a pretty balanced take on the whole situation with JG and Cleveland. Seems to imply shared responsibility (Gordon for being a turd, and Cleveland for going along with it).

Is it just me or does anyone else have a hard time dealing with the fact that these teams have no issues and will pickup these freeloading slackers while they boycott a known NFL caliber QB because his stance on equality for all?

According to John Elway's own words, he offered Kap a backup QB job and he declined.

And the safety also...

You can be anything in the NFL, except a liberal...

You mean cuz Kap would suddenly sit on a practice squad when he previously demanded to be a starter?

Or wait, you must mean cuz Kap is in the same universe, talent wise, as Josh Gordon.

Yeah, come to think of it, I have NO hard time dealing with it.

Coleman was inactive in that many games in 2017??? I guess so if they are able to get him on the practice squad. Of course any team can steal him if they are hurting for WR.

Pats like our talent as they invest not so much for guys like Shelton, Mingo, Gordon and others. Considering they screwed us with JG but in the end it was a blessing. Mayfield will be a great QB. Can't wait for the era to commence.

If those 2 cannot make it with the Pats..then they will be out of football soon. We all know Josh is a Doobie away from Suspension.

jmho Is this the beginning of the fall of ROME?

4 of the 10 practice squad players are permitted to have 2 accrued NFL seasons (6 games on an active roster).

It's one of the weird changes from when they expanded the practice squad a couple years ago.

Thank you, I didn't know that.

Thanks. I knew there had been PS changes, but I didn't know that. Odd little wrinkle that.

It just gives young veterans another chance at an NFL career.

If BB thought Kap would give him an edge, I have no doubts that he'd be a Pat.

Crazy to me how some in the media are looking at Gordon and the Pats.

Here is a strong dose of hypocrisy. Hypocrisy by the Browns, Gordon and other teams.

"We care about Josh the person". Lie. The Browns don't care about Josh the person and neither do the other teams including the Pats. They care about Josh's talent. They want to win games and that is ok. Just don't sugarcoat it with the garbage about Josh the person.

Gordon has been enabled by many but he deceived many as well. If he loved his teammates or cared about the organization he would have done more for them. He didn't think that much about them when he skipped training camp.

What has he done do take care of his children? What sacrifices has Gordon made for anyone other than himself?

If Gordon was motivated by caring for those around him and the people who have tried to help him. He would have not done the things he has done.

NFL football is about money. That is just the way it is.

Players will come and go. When you are used up; you are let go.

I don't want to hear the crap about "we are a family" and "we we care about so and so the man".

Football is a business and the business is about winning games. No different than your employer is about profit.

So Gordon is now a Patriot. He will be there as long he can contribute to winning when or if he can not; he will be told to leave the premises.

Went back to watch the Pitt game (I was in the stadium) more closely. Gordon wasn’t getting a lot of separation, even Joe Haden was all over him on deep routes. Even on his TD catch he was covered like a blanket.

Josh Gordon expected to be disciplined after reportedly getting in trouble with Patriots

After just six weeks in New England, it looks like Josh Gordon might have already found his way into Bill Belichick's doghouse.

According to NFL.com, Gordon got in trouble with the team this week due to tardiness issues and the team has decided to discipline him by benching him for the first part of the Patriots' Monday night game in Buffalo. Gordon is expected to spend the first few offensive possessions on the bench and could end up missing the entire first quarter, depending on how many times the Patriots have the ball. After the punishment is over, Gordon is expected to return to the game and play his usual amount of snaps.

As for the issue that led to his punishment, Gordon was late to show up at Gillette Stadium on Sunday when the Patriots were getting ready to leave for Buffalo, according to the Athletic.

More in the article.

Anybody still think we were morons to jettison this guy? After all of the chances he's gotten, he can't be on time for Tom and the freaking Patriots.

Loser

Surprising news.

What's left to think here? A life basically wasted. It's sad but hard to remain caring at the same time. Imagine if he had someone like Josh Cribbs desire to succeed. Hard to wrap your head around what goes on in this guys mind.

You should hear the NFL network downplaying this.

That's even more surprising.

OH NOES! THEY ARE HOLDING HIM OUT OF THE FIRST TWO POSSESSIONS!

Only the beginning for JG in NE ...

He wont make it thru the season.

Showing up late for meetings is what NFL network reported. no way!

color me surprised

No problem. He will probably will be late getting to the game anyway.

and in other news.. the sun rose today.

Fake news. Fake news everywhere.

Josh was enabled by the Browns for many years into developing this bad habit of not showing up on time for meetings, practices, flights out of town, etc. It was all part of the Browns pathetic losing culture.

Coaches before Hue let Josh get away with this crap. Hue let Josh get away with this crap. Hue's refusal to discipline players and hold them accountable is part of the reason he was and always will be mediocre coach, same as Josh's previous head coaches.

But now, Josh is playing for Bill Bellichick who is very strict about player discipline and accountability. For the first time in his life, Josh Gordon is being held to a high standard of behavior as a player. When he screws up, he is actually punished. Shock!

It will be interesting to see how Josh responds. He could embrace this new ethos and thereby thrive, as both a player and a person.

But I suspect he will grow weary of Bellichick's rigorous discipline. He will either intentionally screw up enough to get cut, or he will leave the Patriots in free agency and go play for a nice, comfy, soft player's coach.

Maybe Hue will be the head coach for the Bengals by then. That would be a suitable landing spot for Josh.

It will get very, very interesting if Hue gets the Bengals job next season.

Very cloudy, his future is. Weak with this one, the force is. Hmmmmmm.

Nobody is hiring Hue to be a HC ever again..... heck I think it’s 50/50 if he gets an OC job. A ton of stuff coming out from national guys and local guys about how toxic it was here. Teams not owned by Haslem don’t want that in their building.

We'll see...

So are you going to become a Bengals fan? I doubt it.



Hue is gone. Should have been before this season, but you and the Haslams wanted to give him a last shot......ok, cool, one more shot....I am for giving a last shot.



It didn't work. I wish Hue the best and success in whatever position he gains, be it football or otherwise.

Yes, it would.

Mike Brown, after a few decades of floundering, has turned into a pretty respectable GM. Nowadays, the Bengals have pretty good talent on the roster most seasons.

The Bengals downfall is Marvin Lewis, who is always guaranteed to produce a stupid team. He lets the thugs run wild and somebody always makes a boneheaded play in high pressure situations, like playoff games.

If Hue replaces Marvin, I think some of the worst stupidity would ease off, such as fewer penalties over the season. But the thugs would still run loose. Since Hue didn't have the sense or the guts to discipline Josh Gordon, there's no way he could keep somebody like Vontaze Burfict in check.

The Browns-Bengals rivalry would get a shot in the arm, but I don't see the Bengals getting much better than they are now with Hue newly in charge.

But a team owned by a dummy like Mike Brown does.

Hue is very popular in Cincinnati. They love him down there. Hue was slated to be the successor to Marvin Lewis. I think Mike Brown would be delighted to bring Hue back home.

And, like Versatile said, it would be very interesting. Once and for all, we would find out just what Hue could do with a fully talented roster. The argument would at last be over.

There were rumors last year that the Bengals were going to fire Marvin and hire Hue if the Browns fired Hue.

The Bengals are playing well this year, so I don't know if Marvin is still on the hot seat, but the folks in Cinci really, really liked Hue and wanted him to be their HC.

I don't think it is as far-fetched as some believe.

The greatest part of Hue coaching in Cinci would be about a half-dozen or so posters simultaneously crapping their pants.

Eh. Sucks to be a Hue Hater.

Me? I'm a Hue Rationalist - the guy's mediocre at best. And I don't blame Hue for Browns suckage, I blame the Haslams.

I hope Hue enjoys an easy year or two off with his family and then goes to coach the Bengals for years to come. He'll enjoy the low pressure environment and relaxed standards.

Suffering from a brain fart, I would also venture to say that the Browns would stomp on the Bengals far more often than they do now. But then I clear my head, remembering who owns the Browns, and I lose my silly, delusional hopes.

Say it ain't so, Bill! Say it ain't so!

Bill Bellichick went all soft and gooey and rescinded Josh's well deserved punishment.

Josh Gordon started the game and has played every possession so far.

Sigh.... forget everything I just said about the Josh getting checked and corrected by the Patriots organization. I don't know how Josh did it, but he turned the mighty stone golem Bellichick into a soft, fuzzy, care bear.

Geeze, Bellichick's getting old and senile. Maybe he should retire before Brady does.

I will donate yearly to any charity, if the NFL would allow hue to simultanously coach the steelers, ravens, adn bengals next year, or the year after. In fact, i might start an change.org petition to allow this to happen. It would most certainly guarantee us a division title. great idea!

Reporter:
Is there any problem with you and tardiness?

Josh Gordon:
You know what, that's gonna be a question you'll have to ask coach about. As it relates to the game... I was available, so, that's a plus.

We get it Josh, you'll show up when you want to and people should feel lucky that you're on the field. So, were you late and it shouldn't matter or is BB lying?

Availability thru eight weeks = 18 for 237

Rock on dude.

Some of us are just Bengal haters. I think they should just stick with Marvin. Why change things now?

All the attention and none of the discipline. JG rules!

Just starting a horror show over IMO. I was certainly taken aback by the tardiness . . . .

No he is not, you are just making stuff up to make a point.

Nobody likes Hue, except buses...

Pot meet kettle?

It made me wanna puke watching him get congratulated by the hoodie ... he never does that ..

I wish Josh well ... no ill will ... just BUMMED is all ....

And now ... to top it off ... Kendricks will be play8ng again in the next few weeks ....

OH VAY ...

j/c

Sometimes you just have to let go and accept that it wasn't going to work out with a player. Josh did not want to be here. He had a long history of suspensions and various off-field and team related incidents. It appeared he was faking an injury and had used his recovery status as a way to get out of team functions.

What can you do with a guy like that? Just ship him off for whatever you can get and find some players who are committed to the team and want to win.

It's a good lesson for the Browns in that people should be held accountable-- even really talented ones with unique skillsets. Otherwise you are not doing a favor to the team or the player. When you build a team, you want to build a good culture and atmosphere, and having different sets of rules for different players doesn't really fit in with that.

Hue and John screwed that one up....

It's on Dorsey. He has final say over the roster and he pulled the trigger even if Hue got to put his 2 cents worth in.

Kendrycks will be back for the Hawks week 14 game.

That would not be what a young team would need. We need to figure out who can play on this team, and who can not .....instead of who can play for 3 or 4 weeks.

Gordon needed to be dealt. he should have been dealt long, long ago. Not only has he been of no value here, he really has been a waste here. He has taken up a roster spot that another player could have had, and he has given false hope that the receiver corps could be so much better, if only he could pull his head out of his butt.

As I said earlier, sometimes a guy has to be traded for next to nothing to finally decide to make a commitment to his chosen profession. Let's also not forget that Gordon has only played 1 season in his entire career in which he has not been suspended for drugs. It is always a risk with him. What if we had counted on him, only to have him be suspended again?

I would add that the Pats have a veteran locker room that can enforce rules, and just in their WR room, they have 32 year old Julian Edleman, and 31 year old Chris Hogan. They have experienced veterans to show a guy, prone to wandering off the trail, the way. They have tons of other veterans as well who can show a wayward soul the truth of playing in the NFL. Will it all work, or will Gordon screw up yet again? I hope he stays on the straight and narrow, for his kids' sake as much as anyone's. We'll see though.

20 years from now I wonder if the talk will be about Josh as it has been about Bill... Somethings never die.

I got no problems with Josh ... its a shame but it had to happen ...

Kendricks will be playing for 8 weeks not 3 or 4 ....

And even if he played just the first 4 ... what were we after 4 games .. 1 - 2 - 1 ...

The stilers tie ... the aints game we led the entire game til the last minute and we missed a last ditch long butt fg to tie it ..... and the faiders OT hose job .....

Maybe were 4 - 0 after 4 games instead ... thats a BIG SWING ... and witch LBer’s did we need to find out if they could play ...

Collins ... Kirksey ... Shobert ... Burgess .... who else is there ... who was it exactly ...

Kendricks would have started the first 4 ... and we sure as heck could use him for the last 4 ... he may be the only healthy LBer then ... *L* ...

You’ll NEVER convince me letting Kendricks go wasn’t BULLCRUD!!!!

Oh well ,,... moving on ...

Another potent O awaits ... OH VAY ...

That sums it up for me. Made worse by our rookie QB desperate for a quality WR to throw the ball to.... But bottom line I hope JG sorts his life out and finds a way to control and keep his demons in check.

I feel your pain re: Kendricks, but it's hard to pile on Dorsey too much for that one. Dude was picking out his cell for the next decade+.

If there is ever a time to empathize with a knee-jerk reaction, it's this one.

J/C

The Gordon reactions frustrated me because EVERYONE wanted him gone. There was only handful of people willing to continue the Gordon experiment.

Now the team is dumb for moving on? Hell, I'm fresh off getting banned because I dropped the big, naughty "s word" when saying it was inappropriate for a certain poster (No points for guessing who) to be making comments about Gordon's children - and nobody else seemed to give a damn because it was Josh Gordon.

That was Gordon's legacy in Cleveland. Everyone was sick of him. What we're seeing isn't anything new. We knew as recently as last season that Gordon remained a tremendous receiver. The only question was if he could stay on the field or not.

We gave him so long to get it together. It's just our luck that our patience wears thin the moment he actually gets it together. But you can't doubt the Browns willingness to support Gordon and persevere with him. It's unlikely any other team would have given him this long.

It's fair to lament the Browns refusing to go down with the ship, but this wasn't so half-baked plan. Josh Gordon's legacy, no matter what he does from here out, will be that the majority of it was with a Cleveland Browns team waiting for him to grow up.

Can't really fault our team here.

I was always of the mind that if and when Gordon got it together it should be with the browns..he owed us that much and the browns already waited years, multiple suspensions and failed drug tests and partying, yet being 5 minutes late for a meeting is a deal breaker? Come on. its not like his contract was detrimental. He was still on rookie contract. If you were going to trade him, you simply hold on to him to deadline and maximize your value. I absolutely believe we could have received ALOT better than we got. Thats a black eye on Dorsey.

He doesn't owe us anything... that's just the nature of professional sports and free agency. After I pick that nit, I agree with you wholeheartedly, or at least the basis of your post.

Josh Gordon, once he got his stuff together, should've reaped the benefits of such with us. Not because he owed us anything, but because it didn't make a whole lot of sense for us to move on from him while he was so cheap. As long as he didn't accrue seasons, he could sit and rot on our roster with little to no consequences to the team. It was a logical decision on the part of the Browns.

Fast forward to this past offseason, and I think 2 things lined up to see him shipped out of town.

1. He got caught up in a housecleaning. Remember, this was the same offseason that saw Coleman shipped out for PEANUTS. Honestly, the Coleman move was more shocking than the Gordon move, given the compensation and Coleman's age. We found cancers in our WR room, and we cut it all out.

2. I think Dorsey knew that Gordon was goofing around on the Browns. Dorsey seems, to me, like a guy that has absolutely 0 tolerance for guys trying to clown on him, and I think that's what Gordon was doing with the mystery hamstring injury. I know the thing that REALLY stuck in my craw was that Gordon was out with the hammy, got traded, and said he was good to go for that very same game (except for the Patriots). He didn't play, but he said he was good to go. That tells me that he was playing games with the Browns, and Dorsey put his foot down.
That's vividly in my memory, as when I read that I immediately jumped on here and posted in anger. Other than guys like James Harrison, Burfict and ones of their ilk, I don't think I've wished injury on anybody other than Gordon in that moment.

3. (I know I only said I had 2 points)... I think another thing that helped/helps Dorsey sleep at night over Gordon for a 5th is the fact that Gordon's 2nd contract is no longer something he has to look forward to.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-...health-reasons/


Josh Gordon announces that he is stepping away from the Patriots for mental health reasons
Gordon has played well since being traded to the Patriots but will now be out for an undetermined amount of time

Jared Dubin
9m ago • 1 min read

The New England Patriots will be playing without Josh Gordon for a while. Gordon announced on Thursday morning that he has decided to step away from the team in order to focus on his mental health.

"I take my mental health very seriously at this point to ensure I remain able to perform at the highest level," Gordon wrote. "I have recently felt like I could have a better grasp on things mentally. With that said, I will be stepping away from the football field for a bit to focus on my mental health. I would like to thank Coach Belichick, Mr. Kraft, as well as countless others within the Patriots organization for their continued support. I want to thank my fans for their support as well as I continue down the path getting back to 100%."

It marks the second time during the 2018 season that Gordon has announced an intention to take time away for mental health reasons. He did the same thing while in training camp with the Browns, though he ultimately returned to the team soon after.

Gordon was traded to the Patriots earlier this season in exchange for a late-round draft pick. In 11 games with the team, he has caught 40 passes for 720 yards and three touchdowns, emerging as a valuable downfield threat for Tom Brady while also apparently becoming a "reliable" player and person, according to teammate Rob Gronkowski.

According to a report from NFL Network's Tom Pelissero, however, Gordon is facing another suspension for violating the terms of his reinstatement under the NFL's substance abuse policy.

Gordon has obviously been very open about his struggles with addiction, including the fact that he used to play games and practice while high and/or drunk while he was in Cleveland. He was suspended for violating the substance abuse policy on several occasions, and also by the Browns themselves for violating team rules. He applied for and was granted a conditional reinstatement late last year.

Glad he is someone else's problem.

This is sad.

just can't get over his demons. such a sad story honestly

It's sad but not unexpected. As another poster stated I'm glad it's not our problem. We were right to trade him. I doubt the Pats will have the patience with him that we had.

Its not that sad. The cancer ward at a hospital is sad. This guy is a goof.

It was always likely this was going to happen at some point.

I do find it somewhat fitting that Gordon and his agent got out in front of it by announcing that "I am stepping away for mental health reasons". I suppose it sounds better than "I have no choice because I failed my 10th or whatever drug test."

When someone can’t stop doing something that is actively hurting them because of a mental illness it is sad.

Flash Gordon
Jan 28, 2015

Dear Sir Charles, Stephen A., Cris and other interested parties,

Thank you for your recent outpouring of concern about my well being. In what has been a difficult time for my family, friends and fans, you — and those like you — have taken it upon yourselves to express just how much you care about me and my future. For that, I am truly appreciative.

The thing is, though, you don’t even know me.

Chuck, you have never so much as shook my hand, let alone exchanged a single word with me. Few of you have, to be honest. Respectfully, your worry over my “problems” with substance abuse and my twisting descent into darkness and, apparently, my impending death, is misplaced — mostly because you have very little idea what you are talking about. None of you do, even those of you who seem curiously obsessed with the goings-on in my life:

You’re done with me, Stephen A.? That presumes we ever actually got started. How, exactly, can you be “done” with someone you have never had a meaningful conversation with beyond a quick First Take spot? Regardless, I am relieved that you no longer need to harbor sympathy for me — mostly because I never asked for it, never wanted it, and certainly never needed it. I am not a victim here; I never claimed to be one, either.

And Cris, your level of interest in my life is even more puzzling, especially considering we have never met, either.

In addition to being concerned about me — like when you publicly called for the Browns cut me so I could learn the same lessons you learned — you also stated as fact that “we are dealing with addiction here.” Know this: We are not dealing with anything, Cris. We are not the same. Not at all.

So, in the interest of lifting the heavy burden of my welfare off your collective consciences, I’d like to set the record straight about a few things.

First, words cannot express the remorse and regret I feel over this latest incident. I acknowledge that the repeated transgressions that have led up to this point have damaged my credibility, and for that, the only person to blame is me.

I have let down many in Cleveland — my Browns teammates, our hard-working coaching staff, the team’s ownership, and the loyal fan base that wants nothing more than to win. Playing there is different than in many other cities. We feel the fans’ pain. We know how important this is to them.

Also, I have disappointed the family and close friends who have always stood by me — no matter how tough things have been at certain points in my life. Believe me, there have been more dark days than I care to remember.

Most importantly, I have failed myself. Again.

I failed myself when started using marijuana regularly as a young teenager. I failed myself when I ruined a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be Robert Griffin III’s running mate during his Heisman Trophy-winning season at Baylor. I failed myself when I didn’t check with the league office to ensure that my doctor-prescribed, codeine-based medicine was allowed under NFL guidelines. I failed myself when I was arrested for driving a motor vehicle with a blood-alcohol level over the legal limit. I failed myself when I missed a team walkthrough late in the season and was suspended for the final game of the year.

But you know what, Charles, Stephen A., Cris and everyone else? I also have succeeded.

I succeeded by escaping a youth riddled with poverty, gang violence and very little in the way of guidance or support. I succeeded by narrowly avoiding a life of crime that managed to sink its clutches into almost all of my childhood friends. I succeeded by working tremendously hard on my craft and my body to even have a chance to play professional football for a living. And, contrary to popular belief, I succeeded by overcoming my longstanding relationship with weed — because I knew I was risking my future over it.

Truth is, I have not smoked marijuana since before I was drafted by the Browns in 2012 — and there are years’ worth of drug tests to prove it.

So, then how did I get here, you ask? That’s easy. I messed up. But to even begin to understand why I messed up, you need to know the Josh Gordon that existed before the NFL.

I don’t speak of it often, and even less so publicly, but I faced a fair amount of hardship growing up. My father was pretty much out of the picture, which left my mom to fend for herself with three sons at home. She did the best she could, but there were large stretches of time as an adolescent when I was completely alone — with no supervision, no one to guide me, and no one to keep me in line.

We lived in a poor section of Houston called Fondren, and to say it was a rough place would be putting it lightly. The other kids in the neighborhood weren’t well off, either, but it always felt like we had even less to our name. We moved at least seven times, and things were so bad sometimes, there were days I would come home from school and there would be no electricity, heat or hot water.

Over time, particularly after my older brothers moved out, I started hanging out with the wrong kind of people. The kind who would think nothing not only of carrying guns, but using them. Back then, smoking marijuana wasn’t an addiction for any of us — we were still boys, basically. It was just what everyone did. It was everywhere, just like alcohol was.

So Charles, Stephen A., Cris — you judge me now, but what if you came from where I come from? Heck, maybe you did experience similar upbringings, but I wouldn’t know, because I do not know you. Each of you have dealt with more than your fair shares of self-inflicted controversies, though, that I do know.

Again, I make no excuses for my past. That culture didn’t make me do anything I didn’t want to do, but when you judge me without actually knowing me, you deny the existence of the world I come from.

Later, when I went to college, it was like a dream come true, but in retrospect, I wasn’t ready for it. I had to have that opportunity taken away from me before I could really look within myself and decide what I wanted for my future. Was I going to continue to break rules to get high, or was I going to get straight and make the most of my God-given talents?

I made my choice when it came to the NFL, and I haven’t wavered.

Now, I messed up again. It happened about four weeks ago.

As most everyone knows, I missed a considerable portion of the 2014 season because I was suspended by the league. The details in relation to my reinstatement, however, are important to understand.

In connection with the DWI case, the league — in consideration of the fact that my blood-alcohol level was just .01 over the legal limit — agreed to shorten my punishment from four games lost to two. These games were tacked on to my eight-game suspension that had been levied on account of my inadvertently inhaling second-hand marijuana smoke last offseason.

That punishment — while harsh, given what my lab results clearly showed, including a backup sample that was under the league threshold — was just. I foolishly put myself in a precarious situation, one which I could have easily avoided if I had thought more clearly about the potential ramifications of my actions and who I chose to spend time around.

As a strict condition to my reinstatement in Week 12, I had to agree not only to abstain from drinking for the rest of the season, but also to submit to an alcohol screen as part of my in-season drug testing under the league’s substance-abuse protocol. Did I think that was excessive given I had never had any issue whatsoever with alcohol? Yes. Did I think it was hypocritical that a professional league making hundreds of millions of dollars off beer sponsorships was telling me not to drink? Yes. Did I so much as blink at the condition? No.

My primary concern was — and is — being the best football player I can be; I really didn’t even view it as much of a punishment or sacrifice.

On Jan. 2 of this year, just days after our season ended earlier than we all had hoped — and yes, my actions during the prior offseason definitely contributed to our failure to make the playoffs; it killed me seeing our guys fight so hard when I wasn’t out there with them — I boarded a private flight to Las Vegas with several teammates. During the flight, I had two beers and two drinks. It was the first time I had consumed so much as a drop of alcohol since July 4, 2014, the day of the DWI.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am not much of a drinker. Even calling me a social drinker would be an exaggeration, but at that moment, on that flight, I made a choice. The wrong choice, as it turned out.

Upon landing, I received the all-too-familiar notice by phone that I was to report to a testing location within four hours. I failed the test, obviously, and the rest is history … colored by media speculation and outrage from strangers.

In the end, of course, I failed myself.

It doesn’t matter if I thought that the league-imposed restriction on drinking had expired at the end of the regular season; what matters is that I didn’t confirm whether or not that was the case. Now, that oversight has further jeopardized my relationship with my team and our fans, my reputation, and maybe even my career.

So that’s it, Charles & Co.

These are the actual facts surrounding my situation, and these are my words. What comes next is uncertain. I haven’t decided whether to appeal the latest suspension. That’s a matter for my agent and me to discuss.

To those of you who traffic in lies and innuendo over fact, with seemingly no consequences for your actions …

I really don’t know how you get away with it.

What I do know is the following: I am not a drug addict; I am not an alcoholic; I am not someone who deserves to be dissected and analyzed like some tragic example of everything that can possibly go wrong for a professional athlete. And … I am not going to die on account of the troubled state you wrongly believe my life to be in. I am a human being, with feelings and emotions and scars and flaws, just like anyone else. I make mistakes — I have made a lot of mistakes — but I am a good person, and I will persevere.

If I have a “problem,” it is that I am only 23 years old — with a lot left to learn. I’ve come a long way from those mean Fondren streets, but it’s clear that I can be a better me — one who kids coming up to me for selfies and autographs can be proud of. I want that future for myself. And I truly believe that what I am going through right now will only make me stronger. I believe that my future is bright.

If you see me someday, Chuck, Stephen A., Cris, or any other well-intentioned person to whom this letter is directed, please come on over, shake my hand, and say hello. I won’t be holding a grudge, but I will expect you to admit you were wrong about me.

Sincerely,

Josh Gordon, No. 12

Old letter from Gordon and/or his agent

Jc...

We still keep the 5th round pick and dont surrender the 7th round pick right?

How many are wondering if Dorsey did the right thing now?

I Think we get a 7th thats it

Wonder if this is the same rumored drug test failure that was floating around over the summer? I doubt it would take that long to become official. What is the suspension time for another failed test? I thought the last time was indefinite.

I said at the time it seemed that the Browns knew something more than what they were able to share.

THE EAGLE HAS FLOWN AWAY...

He was being suspended folks for another violation. Don't know what but a violation never the less. So I guess he is putting himself into some Rehab facility again.

Onsite in the rolling hills of Tennessee, under the recommendation of Dr. Phil McGraw...lol

Yeah I do have less empathy for him now that he is not a Brown.

But its another Suspension

According to a report from NFL Network's Tom Pelissero, however, Gordon is facing another suspension for violating the terms of his reinstatement under the NFL's substance abuse policy.

So this is just double talk to make people feel sorry for him...What a guy. Truth is he either failed another drug test or failed to submit a test and abide by the rules. Same ole same old.

Once again a good move by Dorsey. As he didn't buy into his BS...jmho

the 7th was changed from a conditional to a set trade so no we don't get it back

Nope, we keep the 5th from the Pats and don't give up the 7th. Had he not been available to start at least 10 games we would have given them our 7th. The 5th was always ours.

I would have thought Dorsey did the right thing regardless of how things turned out in New England. It may have been hard to watch him light the league up there, if that is how it had turned out, but sometimes you just have to move on from a guy.

Hopefully Josh can get it together so he can lead a decent life and provide for his family. My sympathy starts and ends with them.

Looks like another setback for the Pats. Maybe the law of averages is finally catching up to them. About time.

So Josh says he hasnt smoked weed since prior to 2012? What is he popping hot for then?

Belichick's edge over the rest of the league is shrinking.

Age and injuries are catching up to Brady and Gronk.

Add in a few close losses (that Miami one has to hurt) and they probably won't get a first round bye for the first time in many years.

The Gordon trade was always silly from the Pats perspective. I get the idea behind it and usually give Belichick the benefit of the doubt because he's earned it over the years, but that was stupid.

7th was changed to non conditional, we lose the 7th

The letter I posted was written in January 2015. Kinda puts it in perspective how long we've been dealing with this nonsense. It was tiresome even back then, which is reflected in the tone of the letter.

I prefer to think of it as a Dorsey win.

I look at it like this....

We got B. Perriman & a fifth round pick for J. Gordan and a conditional pick.

Once again, J. Dorsey makes the right call.

Perriman has really brought a lot to this team as he continues to make play after play. In hindsight, I would not have thought this possible in September... Perriman has been a better player than Gordan.

Haus, I hope the Pats don't resort to cheating; no not them never!!!

Thanks, was not aware of that... so basically there was never a ten game insurance policy but a straight up trade.

Barry McCockiner @SportsTalkBarry

Emotional scene just now in the #Patriots locker room. Josh Gordon went around and gave every teammate a hug. When he got to Tom Brady, the two engaged in a deep kiss. “I’ll miss you out there”, said Brady. Both began to cry.
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11:05 AM - Dec 20, 2018

When Dorsey let him go for me it was both sad and an elation.

Sad because I hated to see what could have been now ended.

Elated because Dorsey knew it was over and he was right to move on.

At the point the talent didn't matter. It was over.

It is clear now. You are either a part of this team or you are not. Baker on playing the remainder of the schedule "play to win all out or leave the team."

Meathead is gone. This time it is likely forever. I don't see Goodell ever letting him play again. I've said it for years, meathead is a loser. It is in his nature to lose. To destroy his career and hurt his team in doing so. All he cares about is self-gratification. He doesn't care about his team or his teammates. Dorsey was right in ridding the Browns of the meathead cancer. We are much better off with him.

Again we are talking about a 5th round pick...I think it was worth it. Good trade on both parts.

What is hurting BB right now is that at this time he would have been trading Brady for 2 draft picks and this season would have been the year that Garropollo would be leading the team.

So in the off season Brady would have been traded for two first round picks at least. And this would have been Jim Garrapolo's first year starting. I think that was the master plan. Its what they did with Bledsoe.

jmho

Wait, whut? This is from The Onion, right?

Edit: nevermind - just got the name.

Heard there was definite tongue involved.

That account is parody, at best. The most recent tweet:


Incidentally, the only funny tweet I could find.

Follow the thread of that tweet. A lot more than tongue got involved.

I feel bad for him bc everybody goes through stuff. But I feel even worse for people who have these addictions and do NOT have the money or resources to overcome them. It's a shame.

Get well though. Glad we don't have to worry about him anymore in regards to football status. And all those Pats fans are eating crow thinking well it was cleveland, in new england, he'll be just fine.

Cancer IS Terrible but so is addiction, it will destroy the addict and everyone around them unless they get help ... I went to God and He saved me and I have been clean for 18 years, my Dr. told I was 1 in a thousand that make it the other 999 are either in prison or dead so yes Cancer is a dreaded disease, but addiction is a destroyer also

Poor kid .... wow ... what a waste ... literally ...

I wish him well ... hopefully the next time we hear about him isn’t an arrest or suicide ...

Good Luck dude ....

As stated earlier, I'm so glad this is no longer the Browns' problem.

I remember how I got blasted for saying that the Browns would be better off without him. Unreliable players wind up hurting their teams. Gordon has hurt his team. "Mental health" my butt. He is unable, and probably also unwilling to stay away from drugs. His unwillingness to just come out and admit that he screwed up again does not bode well for his future sobriety.

You probably got blasted for it, but it sure as heck wasn't from me. If I remember, I wanted to get rid of the guy sometime during the 2016 offseason. And I thought I was late on that train...

I eat crow, because I was one of the ones that were mad about the trade.

I am not doubting John Dorsey ever again.

I got blasted for saying the Browns should trade him the day he was reinstated. I knew he’d screw up again. At least we sent BB a well deserved rotten egg. Enjoy NE!

Someone has to beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs. Over the years, it has probably been the Patriots more than anyone else.

Just saying.. be careful what you wish for.

Or two... Shelton has been a healthy scratch three straight weeks.

What’s your beef? The only team I care about is the Browns. And what I wish is that Holmgren never drafted the loser, and that the Browns FO had the nads to cut him years ago. “Careful what you wish for”?

What a crazy situation... I wish him well, but it may be over.... for good

j/c:

I wonder if anyone will bring back the old Gordon threads to make other posters look bad like some are so eager to do w/other subjects?

No beef here, though I do sometimes wonder about the irrational hatred for the Patriots that some people have. I have some unique thoughts on that, though some of them are political in nature. At some point, I may put those where they are appropriate.

Other than that, I root for the Browns too. I try not to root against other teams to be honest, though I'm human too. I won't complain if someone beats Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Weaker AFC teams makes this less likely.

oh my god, get over it

I don't hate the Pats. But I am tired of seeing the same team being in the AFC championship and SB all of the time. I like the thought of parody and seeing different teams at the top.

Now, at the risk of being assumed to be a jerk, I'm going to point something out.

Just as you pointed out to me, in one of my posts about illegals, when I said "export" them, and you corrected me: The word was 'deport'.........

Parody does not mean 'parity'.

I don't have a problem with that. I'm talking more about the largely ESPN-driven fanatical hatred of all things Belichick and Patriots. This includes people known to be close confidants, such as Urban Meyer and Greg Schiano, which might pique the interest of some Buckeyes fans who wonder why the media was so ruthless toward those two men the last couple years.

Yep. I sometimes get in a hurry and don't proof read. lol

Who needs to proofread when you can just edit after the fact.

Mods probably look at my post sometimes and see, "This user has edited the post 7 times."

You know? I hear this here a lot. I understand the humanity and wishing him well and all. But geez this guy has been given so many chances. It’s obvious he’s trying but his consistent pending NFL reinstatement’s should have ended with a life time ban a couple years ago.

Also I’ve seen Brown’s fans jump all over players for poor talent. Really awful things said about certain players that had bad performances. Yeah it’s something to hear this stuff. I just don’t get it. Ok they had a bad game or they really do suck. But they showed up day in day out and towed the line stayed out of trouble. IMO Josh Gordon was never anything, not worth his weight. Talent is nothing without work, sacrifice, and dedication.

Gordon has never done the work, or sacrificed a thing. And he certainly isn’t dedicated to football.

Proof read? .... *LOL* ...

It's a lost art. lol

I think you make some good points but I don't wish ill on the guy. Not saying you do, just that I can see both sides of the addiction vs spoiled athlete debate.

The way I look at it, if Josh Gordon doesn't have a roster spot in the NFL, somebody else will. That guy won't be as fast or athletically gifted as Gordon, but I bet he'll be a harder worker and better role model in the community.

Gordon's rant to the media just shows that he still doesn't get it. I'm hoping that he does some day for his sake.

He never got out of his rookie contract, he never got his payday. Now he probably never will.

I still don't understand what Belichick was thinking when he traded for Gordon. There's the part about it's only a late round pick or two, cheap contract, could still be a great receiver, fine.

It's the part that year after year, it's always something else. Failed test, back to rehab, mental health, back to rehab, failed test, DUI, nursing an injury, gaming the media for sympathy, and so forth.

Why the heck would they want to put up with that? Now that Gordon got out in front of all this and the narrative is, "stepping away due to mental health issues" rather than "failed another drug test", the Pats are probably going to have to deal with all this going forward.

They won't know which weeks he'll be available. The locker room may divide at some point between those who want him around and those who want to move on. This is not the Patriots way.

I was in Gordon's corner for a long time. I understand his addiction, been there, but when he went on Instagram and posted himself laughing at Hue when they let him go, it showed me that the guy is a fake. He is a selfish ungrateful person. He may have an addiction, but there is no way I believe he is actually trying to beat it. I think he got straight for a while so he could make money to payoff his legal problems, and never really planned to stay clean.

Dude is a bum, period.

I don't want to celebrate a situation like this, or somehow champion that it wasn't my team that is dealing with this, but man I am glad we cut the cord with him when we did.

The Browns stood by that guy for a long time, and he continuously let them down. I feel bad for the situation, but I am glad that the Browns look like they made the smart move in parting ways, and even secured a draft pick out of it.

It's a disappointing situation because a talent like his is rare. I think Marijuana should be legal, especially for football players, but until then, it's not hard to follow the rules. I get that there may have been more than Marijuana, but that was quite a bit of the situation.

People say Marijuana is not addictive, so I would believe he had to be HOOKED on some other drug and /or alcohol.

Marijuana, Codeine, DUI, alcohol after that DUI

There was other stuff. He mentioned some of it in one of those ill-advised interviews a while back.

Good points

The Browns did what they could. I don't know what else the Browns as far as being generous and accommodating. If anything, they were too much so and enabled Josh's behavior.

That said, I'm not convinced it would have turned out much differently, regardless of how the Browns approached it.

Very sad. I hope he gets his life together.

Nothing good about this.

LMAO to the 2 baby mamas who spread their legs for that bum thinking they would get taken care of.

Not very nice.

Seriously? Harsh, and uncalled for. And I have never been a Gordon apologist.

I feel sorry for his family that are depending on him financially and for guidance. Right now it doesn't look like he can take care of them.

I wonder if there is a car dealership in Foxboro he can work at

Yeah, it had to be cocaine or heroin. I have used pot for years and every May and December I take the month off, just to make sure I'm not addicted and there are some withdrawal effects like very vivid dreams and lack of appetite but nothing that would make me give up multi-millions of dollars for it.

Also he was hanging out with Manziel back a few years ago and Johnny was for sure doing coke so it stands to reason Gordon was too.

I have to agree with the others. That's not cool man.

If the Browns had kept him and he had 700 yards for us instead of them over this period, even though we would be furious now, might we also be playoff-bound?

Also, I was in Boston recently, where recreational pot is legal. Aside from the arguments about whether a non-enhancing, legal drug should not cause a suspension, maybe gong to a state where you can buy pot in a shop and smell it everywhere was a bad move.

Man, what a talent. He may have cost himself $100M all told.

I never portrayed irrational hatred for the Patriots. I live in New England. My hate is directed toward Gordon. He screwed the Browns over. Saying we sent BB a rotten egg is exactly what we did, no hate towards the NE pats.

Imo ...if we traded Josh during the Johnny Football year we may have gotten a 2nd or 3rd for the rotten egg.

What a bunch of BS. Gordon simply isn’t disciplined enough to play pro football. And the last I checked there was only two shops open in MAss that sold rec pot. Neither are anywhere near Boston or Foxboro and you don’t smell it everywhere. Plus people are now being arrested for smoking it in public or in their cars. Something that didn’t happen much before they made rec pot legal. It’s a money maker and local police dept’s are taking full advantage of it as well.