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Those are telling stats. Shows you what influence a HC can have. It's not luck or random that those things happened.

I am rooting for Kitchens - I think he has a hell of a back ground and history within football to turn an opportunity to be a first time OC into a success.

That said - if it does not work out I saw this and thought it was interesting. Kubiak as OC would interest me a lot.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...eline-next-year


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OMG ... the stars are definetly lining up for this to be a lot of fun ....

IF THATS A FACT ... right now u have .. and its still NOVEMBER and this is just whats right in front of our noses ... who knows what else is going on we don’t have any clue about ...

If that true ... we have

Arians and Harbaugh (he’s gone .. its a done deal .. just not made official ... they;be agreed .. ) are available for HC ....

Kitchens and Kubiak (he’s not Shanny ... but he’s a DANG GOOD OC) for OC ...

Dang ... whose gonna be next up in the buffet ... thumbsup




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Baldinger loves the Bakerman.

I always try and watch his breakdowns. Very interesting to anyone if they want to really see how it all works.

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Who is he bro? ... where’d he come from? ...




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Who is he bro? ... where’d he come from? ...




NFL Analyst, Brian Baldinger, breaks down how the Cleveland Browns beat the Atlanta Falcons in Week 10 of the 2018 Season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm0prxBP7ec


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Freddie Kitchens is doing a very nice job with the offense and with Baker.

Kudos.

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Baldinger breaks down the difference between the Bengals and Steelers games. All I remember the Steelers game is Watt getting free runs at Baker and asking myself how is this possible. Derelict offensive play calling from Haley, so glad Freddie is at the helm now.


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Freddie Kitchens is here to stay, has to be.


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Freddie Kitchens is here to stay, has to be.


Would sure like to see what he could work up given an offseason to make the playbook his.

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They should seriously consider giving him the job if this team continues as it has.

Just think- FK has the remainder of this season to find what works in the existing playbook/what BM likes... and an entire offseason to completely integrate this knowledge before next year's OTA's. Get a head start/hit the ground running. Win/win.

This is how unknown/unheralded talent moves up and makes a name for itself. It's the age-old story of the NFL: 'Next man up' means be ready when your opportunity drops.

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So... admitting my ignorance about FK, I decided to do a little homework. Interesting dude, to be sure. It also seems as though his NFL career as perennial position coach did a great job of setting him up for this unexpected opportunity (it helps to know The Game from the inside out, yo). In my research, I came across this article that was a fresh breath to read. So fun to read complimentary, insightful coverage of our team.

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The All-22

[It's a Baldinger-type article, complete with embedded game film, so by all means, visit the site]

The All-22: How new offensive coordinator Freddie Kitchens became the Browns' MVP
By: Doug Farrar | 8 hours ago

Freddie Kitchens had already led a pretty interesting football life before he became the Browns’ interim offensive coordinator on October 29, following the dual firing of head coach Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Todd Haley. Kitchens was a plus-size quarterback at Alabama from 1995 through 1997, and after his collegiate playing career came to an end, he started his coaching path as an offensive assistant at Glenville State in 1999. He worked as a tight ends coach, quarterbacks coach, and running backs coach for the Cowboys and Cardinals from 2006 through 2017, and was installed as Cleveland’s running backs coach before the 2018 season.

When Kitchens was promoted following the Browns’ Black Monday–when head coach Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Todd Haley were fired on October 29–it was imagined as yet another uninspiring move from a franchise that has had plenty of them since re-entering the NFL in 1999. But what Kitchens has done to invigorate Cleveland’s offense has few modern precedents. For a coordinator to come in mid-season, install his schemes, and see a massive uptick in efficiency and productivity?

That doesn’t generally happen. But it certainly has in Cleveland.

Per CBS Sports, the difference in rookie quarterback Baker Mayfield’s play under Kitchens has been jaw-dropping. Under Jackson and Haley, Mayfield threw eight touchdown passes to six interceptions. Under Kitchens, he’s thrown nine touchdown passes to just one pick. Moreover, as former NFL offensive lineman and SB Nation contributor Geoff Schwartz points out, the Browns have had 10 red zone opportunities in their last three games, and they’ve converted them all… with touchdowns. And per Football Outsiders’ opponent-adjusted efficiency metrics, only Drew Brees has been more valuable on a play-to-play basis than Mayfield since Kitchens took over.

Again, this just doesn’t happen. But it’s happening with the Browns, and Kitchens is the primary reason.

“He’s been fun,” left guard Joel Bitonio recently told Cleveland.com about his new play-caller. “Kind of a no-nonsense guy, he’s going to tell you how he feels and he has a good time with it. It’s been really cool to see, actually.”

That collaborative effort seems in stark contrast to the Jackson/Haley duo, who weren’t communicating with each other, never mind with their players. But none of that happy stuff matters if your team isn’t bringing it on the field. And that’s where Kitchens’ presence is truly remarkable—when you watch what the Browns’ offense has become in the last three games, you see a truly multiple offense in which concepts from many different masters are used in a highly effective fashion. And when you see how some NFL offenses feature the same staid concepts over and over, it makes what Kitchens has done all the more refreshing.

To compare and contrast how Jackson and Haley called stuff, let’s take this empty set from Cleveland’s 33-18 Week loss to the Steelers—the game that got them fired. The protection breaks down, the reductive routes give Mayfield (No. 6) nothing to see, and he dumps the ball off to receiver Jarvis Landry (No. 80) for a one-yard loss.

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Now, let’s take a look at Mayfield’s 13-yard touchdown pass to receiver Antonio Callaway (No. 11) last Sunday in the Browns’ 35-20 win over the Bengals.

Here, Kitchens calls mirrored route concepts to both sides—dig/wheel combinations that ostensibly gives Mayfield short and intermediate reads to the front and back side.

The routes are covered reasonably well—including the sit route by receiver Rashard Higgins, who’s blocked out by defensive tackle Geno Atkins (No. 97), so Mayfield bails out of the pocket, with Callaway following him, and throws a dart to Callaway after the receiver pivots back to the boundary. This is a great example of a young quarterback having faith that his offense will work outside traditional structure.

Kitchens has a real knack for making simple route combinations work, and this touchdown pass to halfback Nick Chubb (No. 24) against Cincinnati shows another example. Chubb is running a drag/wheel combo with Callaway, and the intersection of the two players provides a natural rub that gives Chubb one-on-one coverage as he takes his route upfield. Safety Brandon Wilson (No. 40) actually does a great job of sticking with Chubb through the route, but the back makes an incredible catch to seal the deal.


Now, let’s move to Cleveland’s 28-16 Week 10 win over the Falcons, in which Mayfield became the first rookie quarterback in NFL history to post a quarterback rating over 150 with 20 or more passing attempts. Mayfield threw three touchdown passes in that game, and I loved how Kitchens helped him out by pilfering a concept often used by Rams head coach Sean McVay: Multiple route concepts out of tight formation splits.

This touchdown to Higgins shows how tight splits give a wider field to a quarterback—especially helpful to a young quarterback who’s used to the NCAA’s wider hashmarks. But within that tight split, Kitchens isn’t just running a couple of go routes—watch how the vertical route diversity opens things up. Higgins is running a fade-stop to the right-side boundary, Landry runs a crosser from right to left and then heads up the numbers, and Higgins beats cornerback Robert Alford (No. 23) with the deep over. This is an optimal way to stretch the field, and Mayfield has the arm and anticipation to take advantage of these concepts.


Against the Chiefs in a 37-21 Week 9 win, Kitchens took advantage of another concept you see from McVay a lot–the double-slant combination in the red zone. This is an outstanding way to take any goal-line coverage and turn it on its head–when the deep slant receiver stems his route and draws extra attention by design, there’s often something easy for the underneath slant receiver. With Landry taking the high slot route, this is a simple pitch-and-catch to running back Duke Johnson (No. 29).


Perhaps most fascinating Kitchens-led series was the seven-play stretch in the second quarter against the Falcons where the Browns went with a full-house diamond backfield (quarterback, three running backs) every single time. Mayfield lined up both under center and in the Pistol formation. The Browns ran on the first five plays for 28 yards, and this was the first run–a nine-yarder by Johnson. Watch Johnson fake the pitch to Chubb based on the actions of end Takkarist McKinley (No. 98), and how off-balance McKinley gets.


Once Kitchens got the Falcons thinking about old-school run plays and putting nine defenders in the box as a result, he dialed up this 17-yard pass from Mayfield to receiver Breshad Perriman (No. 19). All Mayfield has to do here is to hit the receiver after he slants away from the cornerback, and before the safety converges. The best offensive play-designers put defenses in awkward positions by tweaking space and numbers based on defensive alignment. Kitchens seems to have a gift for that.


Of course, it’s possible to get a bit too cute with this stuff. Here, running back Dontrell Hilliard tries throwing a duck to Mayfield, with a predictable result–an interception by Falcons cornerback Damontae Kazee (No. 27)


“It was something, wasn’t it?,” Mayfield said after the game. “We threw a different look. We moved the ball well. It was just a thing to switch up the tempo, and I think it was great for our offense.”

Interim head coach Gregg Williams agreed.

“We have a good package of things that we wanted that group of players to come onto the field,” Williams said. “We also wanted to see how they would respond. How would they visualize or see the package? We had a good package of plays. We had a little no-huddle concept, also, if we needed to try to keep that package on the field. Very well-thought out on Freddie and the offensive staff on utilizing what we have here.”

So, there’s more for Kitchens to roll out in the Browns’ final five games. The tests will be tougher down the stretch, with the defenses of the Texans, Broncos, and Ravens among the NFL’s best. But with a 4-6-1 record and an offense that’s humming far beyond what anybody expected, the Browns are more than an interesting novelty–now, they’re must-see TV for anyone who loves to see creative offensive play-calling.

Whatever happens with Kitchens in the future–whether he stays with the Browns or winds up somewhere else in an off-season coaches’ coup–he’s proven to be one of the best in the business at what he does.



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Fred has totally punked Todd Haley. So far.

The results are like night and day.


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I agree. Of course we'll see by the end of the year if we can maintain this pace after teams get film on us, but early returns are nice.


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Fred has totally punked Todd Haley. So far.

The results are like night and day.


Yes the problem was Haley... not HUE...


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Records with the following offensive coordinators:

Hue: 1-31
Haley: 2-5-1
Kitchens: 2-1

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I remember thinking the Lions preseason game had a different energy and feel to it. Then just chalking it up to being played by their scrubs.

Now, it seems to be a trend.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
Records with the following offensive coordinators:

Hue: 1-31
Haley: 2-5-1
Kitchens: 2-1




This right here is what Vers is talking about ..

Its not a LIE .. but it may as well be ....

How do u compare records of OC’s in this case ... ITS DECIEVING AT BEST ...

ITS WRONG ... FLAT OUT WRONG and anyone whose sole intent was not to mislead would NEVER POST IT ...

Hue had Kessler, Kizer, Hogan, Baby Jesus i believe started a game for Hue, RG3 and a few other COMPLETELTY HORRIBLE qb’s start for him ...

U wanna compare his record as OC with guys that had TT and Bake starting as OPPOSED TO GUYS THAT NEVER HAD NOR EVER WILL HAVE NFL CAREERS ...

Say what u want about me .. I’D NEVER DO THAT ...

Seriously ... WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS POST other than to DECIEVE and SMEAR ...

Same poster did it to me a week or so ago ...

POSTING what was a 100% IRRELIVENT tweet time wise with a pic making it look like what i said was WRONG ... right up until u saw the DATE ON THE TWEET and put it with MY TIMELINE ...

He basically POST DATED IT ...

I’m not geting into this ... last time i’ll Point it out until ONE OF U does it to me again ... but this is one of the things that I believe Vers was talking about and hes SPOT ON ...

I’m gonna get piled on for this post .. NO DOUBT ... but no one ... NOT A SINLGE ONE who piles on will REFUTE THE VALIDITY of what i stated ... cause ITS TRUE!!!




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg

Hue had Kessler, Kizer, Hogan, Baby Jesus i believe started a game for Hue, RG3 and a few other COMPLETELTY HORRIBLE qb’s start for him ...

I believe that would be Clipboard Jesus. Otherwise known as Charlie Whitehurst.



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Seriously ... WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS POST other than to DECIEVE and SMEAR ...



There's nothing about my post that has any intent to deceive and smear... NOTHING. Sorry it doesn't fit your ruse.

Those who continually bring up the quarterbacks that Hue had when he was here is more about deceiving people than posting the records of the team when whomever was OC.

I believe there are a few here, you may or may not be one but your friend vers was one who kept putting the record on Sashi and not Hue. We now know that to be erroneous.

Hue was 1-31 and whether he was OC or not, he was the HC. No one in the history of the NFL had a worse 2 year stretch. And yet there are those who still say "look at the quarterbacks Hue had to work with." It's absolutely baffling!

John Fox won a playoff game with Tim Tebow for crying out loud! The Bills have won 4 games this year with a rookie QB many thought was Kizer 2.0! I mean if you want to keep running around screaming poor Hue and his quarterback situation go ahead, but you're only deceiving yourself. Wake up.

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And I don't believe he ever started a game for the Browns.

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The only thing ill say about the QB room and talent Hue had....

There have a been multiple expansion teams with worse talent than the browns had last year - and we won 0 games.

SF literally won a Monday Night Football game with a kid off the street that didn't know he was starting until like 4 days before I believe.

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Just an FYI, Kessler and McCoy are starting this week for their respective teams..

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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Just an FYI, Kessler and McCoy are starting this week for their respective teams..


And they will both probably lose.

Jacksonville plays Indy, and without Fornette.

DC plays Philly, and if Philly wins, and NO beats Dallas, there will be a 3 way tie atop the NFCE.


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Just an FYI, Kessler and McCoy are starting this week for their respective teams..


Not because they earned it. McCoy because of injury, Kessler because Bortles played his way out of the start.

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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
The only thing ill say about the QB room and talent Hue had....

There have a been multiple expansion teams with worse talent than the browns had last year - and we won 0 games.

SF literally won a Monday Night Football game with a kid off the street that didn't know he was starting until like 4 days before I believe.





Yeah. It's not like we have Spergon Wynn back there. Johnny was 2-6 as a starter and he did nothing but play backyard football. It's funny how people will change a story to convince themselves of what they want to believe.

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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Just an FYI, Kessler and McCoy are starting this week for their respective teams..


Not because they earned it. McCoy because of injury, Kessler because Bortles played his way out of the start.


Look at the source ... only time i read anything he has to say is when someone quotes him ...




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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
The only thing ill say about the QB room and talent Hue had....

There have a been multiple expansion teams with worse talent than the browns had last year - and we won 0 games.

SF literally won a Monday Night Football game with a kid off the street that didn't know he was starting until like 4 days before I believe.



At this point in time its aberrant to even have to say anything.

Some posters are so full of themselves,hardly get anything right, but still continue posting like they think they know something other don't.

Football is not rocket science.

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You mean like what a terrible QB Mayfield is? Yes, I agree with you.


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You mean like what a terrible QB Mayfield is? Yes, I agree with you.




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It is kind of funny how a guy who said so many negative things about Baker until a couple of weeks ago speaks about how others don't know anything about football.


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And just completely ignores all things and conversations about Baker.


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After looking at what Kitchens is EASILY doing.

After studying our OFFENSE prior to Mayfield taking over.
After studying our Offense prior to Kitchens taking over.

Hue and Haley well they actually SUCKED and I don't use that term often.

I simply - in hind sight - cannot believe that they were forcing Mayfield to carry out the same unsuccessful GAME PLANs and Philosophy that were in placed for TT.

We kept throwing 3 yard 5 yard routes. Bubble Screens or just a straight -0- route and getting some completions but just around 56% with Mayfield a great QB or with TT a mediocre QB.

So although I bought this Poor HUE he never had a QB theory. But now I look at what he did AFTER HE GOT ONE! Again I cannot see it as a better analogy: Mayfield finally a stud thoroughbred race horse and he is making him into a Trotter.

Its perfectly applied to what HUE did and Haley for that matter. But what galled me most was the absolute total IGNORING of our Overall # 1 pick and not letting him have any reps with the #1's. Just a total SELFISH act on Hue's part cause in all his wisdom he wanted all in with TT who turned out a dud
total dud! By his choice and then when Baker took over probably not his call but probably Dorsey's they didn't change the O one bit. We continued to run at dribs and drobs.
We only passed short short routes so that Teams could bring 10 in close to the box and totally destroy our WRs after each catch garnishing little to no YAC.

How are you to make a first down with 8 yards to gain and all are running 2-3 yard crossing patterns? Remember the mega Drops even with Baker in...with spot on accuracy, still we were getting drops...WHY??? I will tell you Why...when you are getting pummeled with EACH and EVERY catch you tend to start Dropping them.

Notice how the Drops have now stopped. Same WRs same QB what is different. The comfort of SPACE. I just cannot believe how bad Hue and Haley were to this football team and I am so so glad they are gone.

Now I know some will say OH TABBER he always hates on guys when they no longer are Browns. But I just explained in a thousand words exactly why? Not because they got fired. But after looking at the Facts...the football facts.

Its a fact that POOR HUE had no QB prior to Mayfield but what did he do after he got Mayfield....was it all Haley. Hue did say he was so disappointed that he was thinking of taking over the play calling. Well FACT IS HE DID NOT!

But for me as for HUE is concerned it is the way he treated Baker and did not prepare him to take ONE REP this season not one rep with the ones in his preparation. Once games started he ran the SCOUT TEAM. He never got the usual 20% of the reps with the ONES. And when Baker took over they did not TRUST Baker one bit in his talents. And continued to utilize the unsuccessful Offensive Theories laid out for TT to win it all for Hue. I thought Hue was very selfish and totally had no clue on what to do with a talent like Baker Mayfield.

So he would have made Baker into a Trotter and screw his legacy as a Thoroughbred Race Horse on his way to a Triple Crown!

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I agree. In another thread I was talking to Pit about how it made no sense at all to hold baker back from getting reps with the ones.

I am not saying he should have gotten many at first, but he should have gotten some.

That was in Hue's CEO days, so he orchestrated that one.


Funny...cost him his job.


That is why Baker is ticked....good for him. I would be as well. He walked on and started everywhere day one until he ended up with Doof as his coach who made it a point to not give him a chance..

Heck, I'd call him more than a fake.


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j/c:

I just saw the title of this thread said Fredd instead of Freddie....Did he pair it down to be like Gregg?


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I just saw the title of this thread said Fredd instead of Freddie....Did he pair it down to be like Gregg?



This has been haunting me for weeks.

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I think it was pretty clear that Haley had complete control over the offense and that Hue had little to do with it.

I would also hold back a little on praising the improvement of our Offense considering the improvement came against 2 of the worst defenses in the league. Let wait for high praise till they have to face a real defense.

So far so good though. I certainly like the plays Kitchen calls better than Haley that is for sure.


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I think it was pretty clear that Haley had complete control over the offense and that Hue had little to do with it.

I would also hold back a little on praising the improvement of our Offense considering the improvement came against 2 of the worst defenses in the league. Let wait for high praise till they have to face a real defense.

So far so good though. I certainly like the plays Kitchen calls better than Haley that is for sure.


Agreed. It's fun to start winning so I get why people get carried away but we'll have a real test in Houston this week.

Not to mention Hue/Haley actually beat the Steelers week 1 and Raiders (NFL admitted they messed up both) and also beat the Saints and possibly Bucs except for kicker which falls on Dorsey.

Don't get me wrong I'm glad Hue is gone and looking forward to the Baker Era, but Hue also had quite a bit of bad luck along the way.

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I think it was pretty clear that Haley had complete control over the offense and that Hue had little to do with it.

I would also hold back a little on praising the improvement of our Offense considering the improvement came against 2 of the worst defenses in the league. Let wait for high praise till they have to face a real defense.

So far so good though. I certainly like the plays Kitchen calls better than Haley that is for sure.


We had in Hue the most amazingly stupid play caller in the history of the game, and you complain abut Haley.

What was the problem with Haley play calling exactly? That he didn't base the game plan on a rookie QB?

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I would also hold back a little on praising the improvement of our Offense considering the improvement came against 2 of the worst defenses in the league. Let wait for high praise till they have to face a real defense.


I agree with some temperance but in the prior 2? 3? 5? seasons, We haven't had an offense like this against any team. We scored 63 points in our last 2 games. Did when was the last time we did that in any 2 games in a season let alone back to back games?

2017 we scored 20 points or more 4 times. 4!
2016 = 7

Last time we scored more than 30 points? October 5th 2015

I don't know, but I am pretty sure that we played some pretty bad defenses during that span.


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Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
I think it was pretty clear that Haley had complete control over the offense and that Hue had little to do with it.

I would also hold back a little on praising the improvement of our Offense considering the improvement came against 2 of the worst defenses in the league. Let wait for high praise till they have to face a real defense.

So far so good though. I certainly like the plays Kitchen calls better than Haley that is for sure.



I can agree. We will face a pretty good D this week in the Texans. Let's see how we do there.

That said, you are making steps when you start beating up the teams you should beat up. We weren't doing that the last few years.


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