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5?

I don't think so. I think they have done an overall really good job since this format was presented.

There are going to be issues regardless of what happens. There are more major conferences than spots, and that isn't even factoring in that Notre Dame is kind of a wild card in the whole thing.

People keep saying it's about putting the 4 best teams in, but I don't think that's quite the case. I think it's about the resume and body of work. They made that clear last night on their show, and have made it clear in the past. Strength of schedule, conference championships, common opponents, etc all matter (unless you're last year's Alabama).

The Ohio State and Oklahoma argument will be one of the toughest since the inception of the playoff.

Ohio State has better quality wins, plays in a better conference, yet that Purdue road loss is what people are looking at.

Texas is a better opponent than Northwestern, but this isn't the Texas powerhouse. They're a 3 loss team that are pretty underwhelming.

If Oklahoma struggles against Texas and still wins, Ohio State gets in with a complete dismantling of Northwestern. That's not to say that Oklahoma needs to go OSU/UW 59-0 over Texas, but they need to control the game. I really think OSU needs something similar to the Wisconsin game combined with an OU slopfest.

I don't think it'll happen, I think OU wins by 2-3 scores, which is good enough in my book, and OSU as a Big Ten champion gets left out again. Although when they do get in some other year, I don't want to hear jack squat about their schedule considering they'll have better wins than the #4 team 2 years in a row.

The good thing for OSU is, they'll know the story when they take the field as OU will have their game over and done with by the afternoon. If you're a betting man and OU has a meh game against Texas, bet the absolute house on OSU, because they won't let that chance slip away.

Yeah ... I'm guessing the 5 are: PSU, Michigan, TCU, NW and ...?

Michigan State was #24 when OSU beat them. I think that's the disconnect between Pastor Marc's claim of 5 Top 25 wins ... he's using the ranking at the time of the win, but I don't think that's how the CFP views it. CFP uses Top 25 wins at the time of their poll, not at the time the contest took place (I think).

Yeah, it’s bad logic. Also Oklahoma played TCU.

By that logic, beating a team that came out of nowhere shouldn’t count for anything since they weren’t ranked at the time of the game?

You are what your record is. Not what it was supposed to be.

It is not theory...it is simple logic.

You yourself have admitted that a team evolves throughout the year...So if a team evolves...they will be DIFFERENT to use your term. If the team that went into the Notre Dame Game was DIFFERENT than the team that went into the Ohio State Game...than you obviously cannot say the victories and or losses are the same.

So no...I don't think the two separate games carry the same weight. And to be honest...I am a bit flabbergasted that you do. You are entitled to the opinion...

#1 Preseason rankings are bunk and do not hold as much weight as late season rankings. I do not hold early season rankings as having the same weight as late season...BUT I DO THINK THEY HAVE WEIGHT. So while Michigan was ranked 14 they never "earned" that ranking...it was given. They probably were better than 14 even in losing. By the time they went into Ohio Stadium, they had EARNED the #4 ranking

#2 The team that went into the Ohio State Game was hardened by the ND loss and was playing with more urgency. If nothing else was different about this team...this enough is to say that the weights are different.

#3 The stakes and consequences going into Ohio State were MUCH bigger than going into ND. Early losses in the season are always more forgivable than late season. (which weighs down the Purdue loss for Ohio State)

#4 If the wins were equal...than the losses would be as well...and we BOTH KNOW that the late season loss is far more powerful than an early season loss.

I am sorry...your argument is completely moot. Because the CFP panel always considers who and especially WHEN. You, my friend are only considering who.

And you are right...our conferences are DIFFERENT...our conference actually plays defense. You can scoff all you want...I still say Michigan and Penn State would not only beat Oklahoma...But crush them.

And a Non conference team that Penn beat??? Well Pitt, who is ranked higher than Army which was the best Non conference team OU played...andPit is also playing Clemson for ACC champ...(yeah...the ACC argument is weak...lol...but still true...lol...and they are still better than Army and they played a VERY close game against your beloved ND)

Yes Michigan and Penn State would give up more yards in the Big 12 than in the Big Ten...But you are smoking crack if you dismiss them the way you are implying.

Yes, I weigh the games differently...does that mean I think the Ohio State win vs Michigan is in the stratosphere and the ND win is 5 feet off the ground??? Absolutely not...But by no means do I feel the games are EXACTLY EQUAL as you do. I do hold the Ohio State win with more weight...not because I am a homer...but for the reasons I stated above. so YES...I do hold more weight for Ohio States win, the stakes, consequences, and timing necessitate it alone without ranking. But not by some huge amount as I think you perceive.

I tried to leave it as we just disagree...but you insisted to get into it...And while I do think you are wrong...you have the right to be wrong

Did anyone see that Brohm is staying at Purdue and not going to his alma mater Louisville?

Yeah, at least for now he's staying

Texas up 7-0 on Oklahoma

These refs in the OK/TX game are idiots.

Let Oak win no matter what

Embarrisng Defenses

I’m going to the range, to shoot something.

OU has tons of firepower, but their D is trash ... it's a shame we will probably be 5th to them

Texas blew an opportunity to build a lead when their defense was holding them down.

Doesn't look good now.

Texas has to score on this possession or else OSU won’t get any higher than #5.

Ask and you shall receive.

If it stays this close, the door is open for the Buckeyes to take care of business and be in the playoff. Oklahoma has not looked great today.

At some point Oklahoma has to make a mistake on the offensive side of the ball too.

I don’t see how that’s possible. OSU has the better win, but they’re still behind OU. Meaning, if the Michigan win was that impressive, OSU would be ranked higher this week. Each team only has this week to add to their resume. Beating Texas by 1 is better than OSU beating NW by 14.

Oklahoma HAS to lose. There’s no scenario where OSU’s win looks better than Oklahoma’s in today’s championship games that’s enough to flip spots.

I tend to agree, OU has the higher strength of schedule ranking. We need them to lose.

I hope Texas wins for you Buckeye fans. Heck, I’d also have to hope for Bama to win too.

I DO NOT want to see two SEC teams in this year.

When ranking last week's teams, they did not factor in conference championships. Now that also comes into play. An OSU blowout of NW, combined with OSU winning a better conference should put them above OU.

Just my opinion.

If u guys have a better conference ... and u guys have higher quality and more quality wins ...

How is it there SOS is harder than yours ...

That math don’t add up dawg ... sumptin a miss ...

An OU turnover would be nice here.

Don't know. You can look all over the internet and find different numbers.

The Big Ten has more top ten teams, more top 15 teams, and head to head have beaten the Big 12 this year?

Maryland over Texas, Iowa over Iowa State, and Ohio State beat TCU.

Oh but hey, Kansas beat Rutgers!

I'm a huge OSU fan, but we played mediocre against some far less than average teams this year. Calling them lackluster performances would be a huge compliment. Then we lost to a less than average team putting our destiny in the hands of others.

We held our own destiny and then gave that away. I won't complain if those other hands don't favor us.

I get that, but you realize Oklahoma beat Army by a touchdown, gave up 40 to Kansas. And some of these other teams who have traditionally been decent were horrible this year (Texas Tech who fired their coach over it, and OkSt was awful this year)

Let's not act like OU doesn't have plenty of warts.

Maybe, maybe not. I think Georgia can win today. They would go to #3, ND would go to #2 and Bama would go to #4.

If Bama loses, they aren't dropping out of the top 4 slots. They better not, Georgia is a darn good team.

Who is ND playing today, risking a loss?

I guess giving up a safety is better than a FG or TD, but they get the ball right back. If Texas can stop or hold them to a FG, it’s still a possibility. If Oklahoma scores a TD, it’s all over OSU.

That 3rd down no call on TX last possession really hurt.

Oh I understand the arguments, but when you blow an easy game and put your fate in the hands of others, you're expecting mercy and putting your destiny in the hands of others. When you lose a game you never should have lost, at that point all you can do is go, "Yeah but" and hope.

Total PI

Ouch.

Door's open if you ask me. Would love to see a garbage touchdown here.

OSU is gonna have to put it on tonight.

We’ll ultimately find out if you or I’m right, but to me, the door is as closed as my chance to be the Browns QB next year. Oklahoma avenged their only loss to a ranked opponent on a neutral field (in Texas) in a Power5 championship game. The Texas win is way better than a NW win.

I don’t care if OSU beats NW 100-2, nothing is getting them into the four spot.

Sadly, that's what I'm thinking.

Now, if the Bucks win 101-0? Might add a 1% chance.

No that's cool, that's your opinion. I just see it differently.

For the record, I don't think we'l see a 59-0 type game tonight, as NW is probably going to slow this game down, as it's their only shot to even stay in it.

I just hope they go out and play their best, and let everything else play out.

2 years in a row winning a big ten conference, only to get passed over by teams that didn't have the wins is crappy. Yeah, I get the bad losses, but I feel like the committee was only looking at the Iowa loss, instead of the body of work. I don't think having a clunker should be an automatic out. But I get that's it's OSU, and everyone hates them, and literally every year of this playoff format, there have been tons of people outspoken against them getting in.

OSU's body of work this year was better than OU's if you ask me, but if they're going to hold the Purdue game against them, then so be it.

OSU would beat Oklahoma on a neutral field right now too.

I would laugh at Oklahoma if Georgia beats Bama.

The Buckeyes looked horrible in too many games this year. They lost to an unranked team and pulled 2 games out of their rear. No one can really have a problem if OK is picked ahead of them. Stranger things have happened though.