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I have a question for a few specific posters, namely tasty, 40, and throw long:

When Trump back trackers like he currently is, changing his story about who pays for the wall...what are your thoughts? How can you defend that?

It's so hard for me to take President Trump seriously. I probably lean to the left, but even when Bush was around I never felt (despite how stupid some of the things that came out of his mouth were) that he was always just blatantly lying/bullying "facts" and everyone just goes with it? Like, I just don't get it.


I think for most of them, deep down they know that he’s a bumbling idiot, but they’re in it for the grievance politics. If his bumbling idiocy bothers the right people, that’s all that really matters.


with OCD claiming he loves AOC



You got a link to that? I said I like her fire if I recollect correctly and that is nowhere near saying I love her.


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Title of the Thread ...

""President Trump decides not to shut down the government""

Got to tell you it makes me laugh every time I see it.


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Anyone else see him today whining and pouting that he “didn’t throw temper tantrums


In other words, he threw a temper tantrum claiming he didn’t throw a temper tantrum.


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j/c

I for one find it damn shameful that our POTUS would allow all these people to work without or go without pay just to gain political leverage. If you support Trump doing this to regular people, then deplorable is a fitting name.

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We’re now tied for longest shutdown in US history.

Obviously trump won’t stop til he makes history!!


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We’re now tied for longest shutdown in US history.

Obviously trump won’t stop til he makes history!!


This is what happens when a narcissistic POTUS can be easily manipulated by great big brains like Rush limbaugh and Ann Coulter.



MSNBC Host: Trump Won’t Budge So That Ann Coulter Won’t Call Him ‘A Weenie’

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tru...4b045f6768a688e


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Did you seriously just post an Eddie Scarry article?

For those who don’t know, Scarry is a weird creep who got fired from his last job because he constantly posted images of various women’s feet.


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Some US government websites won’t load after HTTPS certificates expire during shutdown

Zack Whittaker@zackwhittaker / 8 hours ago


In a government shutdown, everything deemed non-essential stops. As we found out, renewing the certificates on its websites is considered non-essential.

Several government sites are currently inaccessible or blocked by most browsers after their HTTPS certificate expired. With nobody available to renew them during the government shutdown, these sites are kicking back warning errors.

According to Netcraft, a U.K.-based internet security services company, many government domains can’t be accessed until someone fixes the certificates. Some sites, like one Justice Department subdomain, are at the time of writing completely inaccessible because the domain is included in Chrome’s HSTS preload list, used by browsers to force browsers into using HTTPS only when accessing pages on the domain.

Others, like this NASA page and one U.S. Courts website, however, aren’t using HSTS and are still accessible via an interstitial warning.

So what’s happening?

Every time your browser lights up with “HTTPS” in green or flashes a padlock, it’s a TLS certificate encrypting the connection between your computer and the website, ensuring nobody can intercept and steal your data or modify the website. But TLS certificates are notoriously delicate things. Certificates expire — a common mistake as people often forget to renew them. Depending on the security level, most websites will kick back browser errors while other sites won’t let you in at all until the expired certificate is renewed.

Except in this case, they can’t — because there’s nobody there to buy and install a new certificate.

As it stands, it’s the responsibility of each department and agency to renew the certificate for their own domain. Depending on how many workers have been furloughed and sent home in each agency, renewing a certificate might not be a top priority when they’re short-staffed and overworked already.

There is some good news.

Most major government websites aren’t down or likely to go down any time soon. Most government certificates aren’t set to expire for many more months. Also, any government website hosted on cloud.gov, search.gov or federalist.18f.gov won’t get certificate errors, as these domains automatically renew their certificates every three months with Let’s Encrypt.

Until the government opens up again, don’t expect these websites until then. But depending on how long this shutdown lasts, you can certainly expect things to get a lot worse.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/11/shutdown-government-websites-https-certificates-expire/

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How Trump’s government shutdown is harming cyber and national security

The longer the shutdown goes on, the greater the damage will be.

It’s now 18 days since the U.S. government unceremoniously shut down because Congress couldn’t agree on a bill to fund a quarter of all federal departments — including paying their employees.

But federal workers are starting to feel the pinch after not getting paid for two weeks, and this will have a knock-on effect to U.S. national security. The longer the shutdown goes on, the greater the damage will be.

The “too long, didn’t read” version is that before Christmas, President Trump wanted $5 billion for a wall on the southern border with Mexico to fulfill a campaign promise. Despite the Republicans having a majority in both houses of Congress, they didn’t have the votes to pass the spending bill in the Senate, which would’ve kept the government going when existing funding expired on midnight on December 22. No vote was held, even after a successful vote in the House, and the government shut down. When the Democrats took the majority in the House last week following their midterm wins, they were ready to pass a funding bill — without the $5 billion (because they think it’s a gigantic waste of money) — and get the government going again. But Trump has said he won’t sign any bill that doesn’t have the border wall funding.

More than two weeks later, some 800,000 federal workers are still at home — yet, about half were told to stay and work without pay. Worse, there’s no guarantee that federal workers will get paid for the time the government was shut down unless lawmakers intervene.

Unless the Democrats get a veto-proof majority, the impasse looks set to continue.

Government shutdowns don’t happen very often — usually — or really at all outside the U.S., and yet this is the first time in four decades that the government has been closed three times in one year. That doesn’t mean cyber or national security threats conveniently stop. Granted, most of the government is functioning and ticking over. There are still boots on the ground, cops on the street, NSA analysts fighting hackers in cyberspace and criminals still facing justice.

But while most of the core government departments — State, Treasury, Justice and Defense — are still operational, others — like Homeland Security, which takes the bulk of the government’s cybersecurity responsibility — are suffering the most.

And the longer the shutdown goes on, the greater chance of tighter budgets and that more staff could be furloughed.

Here’s a breakdown:

Homeland Security’s new cybersecurity unit got off to a rough start: The newly established Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, a division of Homeland Security, has only been operational since November 16, but about more than half of its staff have been furloughed, according to Homeland Security. The division is designed to lead the national effort to defend critical national infrastructure from current, ongoing threats. By our count at the time of writing, the CISA has been shut down for one in 10 days of its two-month tenure.

Threat intelligence sharing will take a hit: A little-known program inside Homeland Security, known as the Automated Indicator Sharing, has also sent home more than 80 percent of it staff, according to Duo Security. AIS allows private industry and government agencies to share threat intelligence, which is shared with Homeland Security’s government partners, to ensure that any detected attack can only ever be used once. The shutdown is going to heavily impact the data exchange program.

New NIST standards to face delays: More than 85 percent of National Institute of Standards and Technology employees have been sent home without pay, leaving just a handful of essential staff to keep NIST’s new advice and guidance work going. NIST is responsible for giving all government departments necessary and up-to-date security advice. It also means that FIPS testing, used to grant devices and new technologies security certifications to run on government networks, has completely stopped during the shutdown.

Underpaid TSA agents are now entirely unpaid: The TSA, found at every U.S. airport security screening area, is still working despite the shutdown. More than 90 percent of the TSA’s workforce of 60,078 employees will go unpaid — on top of already low pay, which has resulted in a high turnover rate. Despite Trump’s remarks to the contrary, several news agencies say TSA workers are calling out sick in droves. And that’s going to harm airport security. Many worry that the already low morale could put airline security at risk. One traveler/passenger at Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport tweeted this week: “I asked TSA agent if I should take out my laptop out of its case and she said, ‘I don’t care, I’m not getting paid’.”

Secret Service staff are working unpaid: And, whether you like them or not, keeping the president and senior lawmakers and politicians alive is a paramount national security concern, yet the vast majority of front-line and back office Secret Service agents currently protecting senior administration staff are going unpaid during the shutdown.

And that’s just some of the larger departments.

The shutdown isn’t only hampering short-term efforts, but could result in long-lasting damage.

“Cyber threats don’t operate on Washington’s political timetable, and they don’t stop because of a shutdown,” Lisa Monaco, former homeland security advisor to the president, told Axios on Wednesday. And security firm Duo said that trying to keep all of the cyber-plates spinning at once while not at full-strength is “risky,” especially given nobody knows how long the shutdown will last.

All this for a border wall that Trump says will prevent terrorists from pouring into the U.S.

Critics say that the cost-benefit to building the wall vis-à-vis the shutdown doesn’t add up. Experts say that there hasn’t been a single case of a known terrorist to have crossed illegally into the U.S. from the Mexican border. In fact, since the September 11 attacks, more than three-quarters of all designated acts of terror were carried out by far-right extremists and not Islamic violent extremists, according to a government watchdog. The vast majority of terrorist incidents were U.S. citizens or green card holders.

A border wall might keep some terrorists out, but it’s not going to stop the terrorists who are already in the U.S. Yet, right now it seems the White House wants the appearance of security rather than the security from a quarter of what the government already has at its disposal.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/09/trump-shutdown-harming-cyber-national-security/


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Hey, lets put these guys in charge of our healthcare! This situation is exactly why I am cautious about creating too much reliance on the governement.

Congress, the president, anyone else involved in this should not get paid until this is fixed. Make them work 24/7 until it's fixed.


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The problem is BOTH sides. If trump cared about the people not being payed, he would give up the boarder wall, but he doesn't. If democrats cared about the people not being paid, they would give Trump his wall, but they don't. All either side cares about is political victory, not the people they are supposed to be serving.

The bickering is just stupid.


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If the reasonable dems gave in to Trump for the people's sake which they have considered, Trump would just repeat this kind of thing for every little or big thing he wanted. He's not king.


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Hey, lets put these guys in charge of our healthcare!


Well the fact is nobody wants to put them "in charge" of our healthcare. But I've explained this over and over again with only crickets in response.


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The problem is BOTH sides. If trump cared about the people not being payed, he would give up the boarder wall, but he doesn't. If democrats cared about the people not being paid, they would give Trump his wall, but they don't. All either side cares about is political victory, not the people they are supposed to be serving.

The bickering is just stupid.


Yes it is. Especially when one man was proud to take responsibility for it.



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The bickering is just stupid.


As Dana Bash, CNN, said more than once last week, there are "no adults in the room"...


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It's a shame the Dems don't care about border security or federal workers working without pay.


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
It's a shame the Dems don't care about border security or federal workers working without pay.


Come on Peen. I know we don’t see eye to eye on everything but I know you’re generally a rational guy.
trump owns this shutdown, period.


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The problem is BOTH sides. If trump cared about the people not being payed, he would give up the boarder wall, but he doesn't. If democrats cared about the people not being paid, they would give Trump his wall, but they don't. All either side cares about is political victory, not the people they are supposed to be serving.

The bickering is just stupid.


Yes it is. Especially when one man was proud to take responsibility for it.



At some point the opposition to Trump needs to realize it doesn't matter that Trump gets caught red handed in the hundreds of lies he has spewn or taking a political position ... or in this case he took full responsibility for shutting down the Gov't over a Wall that could have been made a priority when he had all 3 branches of Govt .... it doesn't matter what the facts are .... The Trump stooges will blindly follow and support whatever fantasy Trump concocts. It's that simple.

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It's a shame the Dems don't care about border security or federal workers working without pay.


Come on Peen. I know we don’t see eye to eye on everything but I know you’re generally a rational guy.
trump owns this shutdown, period.



Sure. I don't deny that. He is wanting Congress to do their job.

The only thing the Dems are against is Donald Trump. They know we have a problem at the border. They have many sound bites where they want to support border security. The Dems are playing a political game rather than doing the right thing for the American people.

It's President Trumps decision to shut it down. I agree. It's the Dems decision to keep it shut down.


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It's a shame the Dems don't care about border security or federal workers working without pay.


Come on Peen. I know we don’t see eye to eye on everything but I know you’re generally a rational guy.
trump owns this shutdown, period.



Sure. I don't deny that. He is wanting Congress to do their job.

The only thing the Dems are against is Donald Trump. They know we have a problem at the border. They have many sound bites where they want to support border security. The Dems are playing a political game rather than doing the right thing for the American people.

It's President Trumps decision to shut it down. I agree. It's the Dems decision to keep it shut down.



Do the right thing? You mean spending 5.7 BILLION DOLLARS of our tax money on a wall that he insisted Mexico would pay for.
5.7 BILLION could go a long way towards helping actual Americans. Things like infrustructire jobs, healthcare, veterans benefits, etc.

Don’t act like trump and the GOP has the American people in mind. It’s laughable.
trump is trying to save face. Period.


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
It's a shame the Dems don't care about border security or federal workers working without pay.


Come on Peen. I know we don’t see eye to eye on everything but I know you’re generally a rational guy.
trump owns this shutdown, period.



Sure. I don't deny that. He is wanting Congress to do their job.

The only thing the Dems are against is Donald Trump. They know we have a problem at the border. They have many sound bites where they want to support border security. The Dems are playing a political game rather than doing the right thing for the American people.

It's President Trumps decision to shut it down. I agree. It's the Dems decision to keep it shut down.




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Here is a thought I have for BOTH sides. Why don't we take 5.7 Billion out of the 42 BILLION we give away to other countries (we do give money to about 95 percent of other countries in the world)Problem solved and the government is open again. It's a win win for EVERYBODY in this country. Does anybody have a problem with that???


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screw that wall.


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til wifey blocks you with a wall, then you'll be right there with me in the dog house buddy!


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The repubs had full control of government for 2 years and didn't pass funding for the wall. They are not in control of all three now. So they have to deal with the dems. The dems don't want to do the wall and trump is not giving in because it plays with the base.

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Take the 5.7 billion from the money that we don't have that we pay out to other countries.
But not for the wall-there are other pressing issues-infrastructure is one that I would like to see that I think both side MIGHT agree on.

There was an article today from the EL Chapo trial and some of the other dealers that plea'd out and testified said if pretty good detail how they moved drugs across the border and how they changed over time. Most of these guys who moved hundreds of tons of coke and other across the border said that they didnt go across open borders-there was other ways-in tractor trailers, cars with false bottoms, trains, large ships, oil tankers-it was more sophisticated than I thought.

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right?

notice how for 2 years, trump and the gop wasn't calling this a national emergency until AFTER the dems won back the house?

coincidence? lol, we all know the answer to that.

the sad reality is that this shutdown happened because conservative talking heads said it would be the end of trump's presidency if he signed the BIPARTISAN deal on border security in december.

Graham, a republican, who has been pushing trump to stand firm and declare it an emergency, was one of the republicans who voted in december FOR the 1.3 billion deal for border security to fund the government. just like trump, he completely flip flopped after hannity, limbaugh, and coulter started running their mouths.

its real pathetic that the country is being ran not by the president, not by congress, but by 3 far right radio host.


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Trump is a political terrorist holding ordinary people hostage and harming families and children without a thought for political gain.

He has repeated this process in plain sight with family separations and the government shutdown.

We don't negotiate with terrorist.

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Not that it matters one bit - but imagine if Obama had tried to hold the country ransom to get something that the GOP flat out would NEVER approve ... he would have (rightly) been crucified.

This shut down is 100% on Drumfp ... but as I said in my last post - it won't matter to the stooges because they will say anything to deflect blame.


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Take the 5.7 billion from the money that we don't have that we pay out to other countries.
But not for the wall-there are other pressing issues-infrastructure is one that I would like to see that I think both side MIGHT agree on.


That's where I would be spending most of the other 36 billion.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
screw that wall.




Open your mind man....you are painting yourself in to a corner.


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No I’m not. I never supported that dumbass wall and never will.


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It's going up, and about time.


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Mexico should be sending the check any day, just wait for it

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Mexico should be sending the check any day, just wait for it


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