Rocket comes in a thread and tries to shame white christian teens, learns the problems were actually instigated by a lying native american and a black supremacist group, and tries to deflect to Trump.
Not even a good deflection. You picked a topic that has nothing with this thread whatsoever.
I’m not sure where my most recent interaction started with either of you. I’d just like 40 to on record what he would stand or fall for. Both of you come flying in with ad hominems to distract why it’s troubling people defend reprehensible comments.
As for the Nstive American individual? Both of you showed in the past you care less about Nstive American issues. Instead it’s more important that white people find a safe space that won’t make them consider the phlight Of Native Americans.
So, it's NOT possible to disagree with someone on one hand, but agree with them on some other things. Got it.
Sure it is, for anyone and everyone. But - for example - there's one thing to say, disagree on economic policy but agree with them on gun control... agree with them on health care and disagree with them on environmental regulation ...
But that's not what Rocket was doing or saying . . . It's questioning the blinkered *support* for Trump as the person, not questioning someone agreeing with a policy of his ... it's not disagreeing with someone's political viewpoint, it's supporting a man who is morally bankrupt. It's a totally false equivalency to say you "agree/disagree" . . . . it's whether you support a guy who acted in a manner that was like a pedophile ... or what phrase do you want to use to try and reduce the impact of what he did? Same guy who is on tape bragging about grabbing women's genitalia. Who has been cheating on his wife(s) endlessly including when they were pregnant. The same guy who is a pathological liar.
Many or even most that I talk to are able to say they think Trump is a failed and deplorable human being ... but that they supported him because the other option was worse. Many/Most that I know who supported him can't believe just how bad Trump as President is and how embarrassingly un-presidential he is .... and the others are simply stooges who will never admit to or acknowledge the man's vast failings and inadequacies ... I think Rocket is just trying to highlight that. just a guess.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Eve's been waiting to say this for god knows how long lmfao
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I’m not sure where my most recent interaction started with either of you. I’d just like 40 to on record what he would stand or fall for. Both of you come flying in with ad hominems to distract why it’s troubling people defend reprehensible comments.
As for the Nstive American individual? Both of you showed in the past you care less about Nstive American issues. Instead it’s more important that white people find a safe space that won’t make them consider the phlight Of Native Americans.
There's no 'ad hominems' about it. Your take on the native american was wrong. He wasn't surrounded by white students. He walked to them. They weren't yelling 'build the wall', That's the narrative you've gotten behind, and it's wrong. So, will you fess up to your being wrong, or will you continue to push your biased narrative?
Swish, haven't read the 23 pages of STUFF- but obvious you got most of the "confrontation" wrong. Your support for "liberal" views is well known...JMHO, wonder what your GODLY views are- only religious organizations I've ever read about who support infant sacrifice considered pagan/ primitive. Calling Catholic hs students who traveled across the country to protest the continuing slaughter of unborn children less than heroic is like downplaying blacks to wanted to vote in the 60s...being engaged in something you believe in should be praised in my book.
You were wrong in many areas- the student had every right to wear any hat he wanted, he had the right to stand his ground waiting for his bus. He was remarkably poised and mature when a Native American rushed into his space and beat a drum in his face ALL (not) in name of stopping a dangerous situation. Trump's fake new/lying news sure reported wrong stuff quickly. Funny how the Native American Vietnam Vet turned out to be NOT a Vietnam Vet, has a less than average service record....but has gotten his message/ image spread everywhere....and black Hebrews- they are just LOVING human beings....only thing this whole thing showed is people jump to wrong conclusions AND have their minds made up BEFORE anything happens. I'm a right to lifer, can't understand who wouldn't be. Didn't vote for Trump or Hillary....both terrible choices. Hope Starbucks billionaire wins as an independent. Peace to all.
"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
So, it's NOT possible to disagree with someone on one hand, but agree with them on some other things. Got it.
I agree with trump on two things so far, bringing the troops home now, and border security not a useless wall. That doesn’t make him any less of a racist bigot in my eyes. How about you?
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
All the doubling down, deflecting, straw manning and what abouts in the world won't change the fact that a large portion of this board and America wanted to demonize young boys for being white and wearing MAGA hats so obviously they are racist. Turns out they were just being young boys and it still cannot be accepted despite video evidence showing that what the left wanted to happen did not happen.
It would be prudent to just admit this was a huge stretch by leftist media, it was wrong and move on.
Pretty sure Swish has said as much. The initial clip and soundbite that went viral was totally out of context and wrong.
twice. but despite having me on ignore, he can't help to be all up in the threads i make.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Cov Cath kid yells "It's not rape if you enjoy it." at a bunch of teenage girls before the natives got there.
Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Quote:
Of course the little craphead stepped up to him and sneered at him until his bus arrived.
That's just false, the guy walked up to him, the kid didn't walk up or step up or anything.
Others in the native crowd can be heard telling the boys that they need to "go back to Europe" and nothing they say is important because they are white. Or he ask the kids "we have a demonstration and you come here and do this?" The kids ask "do what" and he replies, "you being white that's all you have to do" - That's from the native group.
I would post the video, but it would get banned due to the language in the background. You can search it if you want.
The native group was not what you claimed.
All I know is, if a grown ass man walked up to me beating a drum in my ear, telling me to go back to Europe - I would have dropped him.
The kid that smiled show great restraint for not doing so. He was calm and collective. You see an arrogant smirk, I see a kid scared a grown man is in his face and a nervous smile of pure emotion and adrenaline come out.
This is mainly false. You can see Phillips walks through the crowd and the kid steps up to him around 1:09:13 into the video, which I have watched multiple times. The kid refuses to move and stares down the elderly man.
As for the other point, there aren't multiple people. There's one guy who gets into an argument with a student. The student tells them to "leave America" at which point the native tells the student exactly what you said, "go back to Europe", including telling the kid that his family has only been here for two or three generations and that his has been here for thousands of years.
I'm not sure if you're trying to lie or accidentally confused the two Native Americans. The one who played the drums and sang his song of peace, only did that. He never told anyone to go back to Europe. I'm also a little disappointed that you believe violence is the answer in this solution.
I don't see just one kid with an arrogant smirk on his face trying to goad a fight. I see thirty kids with arrogant smirks on their face. Goading an old man into trying to fight. You can even hear the Convington kids warn each other not to touch him. They know they can't make the first physical move. That's why they would rather mock his song and do football chants. Typical punk move. You can even see a small group of them earlier in the day verbal accost other protectors outside of this one hour time frame.
All in all, I think we failed these children. Political discourse has turned into a blood sport. These kids came to DC prepared to attack anyone and everyone who disagrees with them. That's not on them. These are learned behaviors and they're teenagers.
Facts get ignored on this forum. I should've known better. Ya'll love your echo chamber.
So, it's NOT possible to disagree with someone on one hand, but agree with them on some other things. Got it.
I agree with trump on two things so far, bringing the troops home now, and border security not a useless wall. That doesn’t make him any less of a racist bigot in my eyes. How about you?
It has to make you wonder how long the list of lies has to get before they realize the bad is outweighing the good. It's already in the thousands and they still support him.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Lawyer sends warning letters to 50+ media outlets, dioceses, celebs who slandered Covington student
February 4, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Attorneys for young Nick Sandmann have sent letters to more than 50 media outlets, pundits, journalists, and celebrities as well as Catholic dioceses who publicly slandered the pro-life high school student from Covington, Kentucky based on a misleading video clip that went viral.
The letter, which seeks to prevent the destruction of evidence, discloses a potential intent to sue the recipients, many of whom are household names –– a who’s-who list of strident, often controversial liberal voices.
Attorney Todd V. McMurtry wrote that he was notifying the more than four dozen recipients of their “obligation to preserve information that may be relevant to potential litigation,” in what he refers to as the “Sandman Matter.” The letter is explicit and detailed.
Sandmann was catapulted into the national spotlight when mischaracterizations of his appearance in the incomplete video unleashed a barrage of unwarranted vitriol and even death threats against him and his Catholic classmates who were participating in the March for Life last month in Washington, D.C.
Among the media outlets who received the letter after having jumped the gun to criticize Sandmann are The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, NPR, HBO, GQ, and TMZ.
Individual journalists and pundits include NBC's Chuck Todd, Andrea Mitchell, and Savannah Guthrie; MSNBC's Joy Reid; CNN's Erin Burnett, S.E. Cupp, and five others; The New York Times’ Maggie Haberman, David Brooks and two others; and The Washington Post’s Michelle Boorstein and seven others.
Liberal Hollywood types include Jim Carrey, Kathy Griffin, Alyssa Milano, and Bill Maher.
Two controversial Democrats were also sent letters: 2020 Presidential candidate, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and newly elected member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota.
Four dioceses that rushed to unfairly criticize the boys have also heard from Sandmann’s attorneys. They include the Diocese of Covington, Diocese of Lexington, and the Archdiocese of Louisville in Kentucky and the Archdiocese of Baltimore, Maryland.
Here is the complete list of recipients who were sent the letter on Friday, February 1:
The Washington Post
The New York Times
Cable News Network, Inc. (CNN)
The Guardian
National Public Radio
TMZ
Atlantic Media Inc.
Capitol Hill Publishing Corp.
Diocese of Covington
Diocese of Lexington
Archdiocese of Louisville
Archdiocese of Baltimore
Ana Cabrera
Sara Sidner
Erin Burnett
S.E. Cupp
Elliot C. McLaughlin
Amanda Watts
Emanuella Grinberg
Michelle Boorstein
Cleve R. Wootson Jr.
Antonio Olivo
Joe Heim
Michael E. Miller
Eli Rosenberg
Isaac Stanley-Becker
Kristine Phillips
Sarah Mervosh
Emily S. Rueb
Maggie Haberman
David Brooks
Shannon Doyne
Kurt Eichenwald
Andrea Mitchell
Savannah Guthrie
Joy Reid
Chuck Todd
Noah Berlatsky
Elisha Fieldstadt
Eun Kyung Kim
HBO
Bill Maher
Warner Media
Conde Nast
GQ
Heavy.com
The Hill
The Atlantic
Bustle.com
Ilhan Omar
Elizabeth Warren
Kathy Griffin
Alyssa Milano
Jim Carrey
McMurtry told The Cincinnati Enquirer that the incident permanently stained Sandmann’s reputation and that after an in-depth review by a team of several attorneys they “concluded we have a good faith basis to sue.”
“There was a rush by the media to believe what it wanted to believe versus what actually happened,” said McMurtry. “They know they crossed the line.”
“We want to change the conversation. We don't want this to happen again,” McMurtry told The Enquirer. “We want to teach people a lesson.”
McMurtry, a member of the Kentucky law firm Hemmer Defrank Wessels, is working in conjunction with famed trial attorney L. Lin Wood of Atlanta, Georgia, a libel and defamation lawyer who has represented clients against media giants, some of which have captured national attention.
Wood most famously defended Richard Jewell, who was falsely accused of the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta in 1996 and then brought defamation suits on behalf of John and Patsy Ramsey and son Burke for false accusations regarding the murder of child beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey. Working with Wood, Burke Ramsey recently agreed to settle a $750 million defamation suit against CBS, which aired a documentary in 2016 that suggested he killed his six-year-old sister, JonBenét, when he was nine.
Wood also represented the victim in the Colorado civil case against NBA star Kobe Bryant and was the lead civil attorney for Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway.
Cov Cath kid yells "It's not rape if you enjoy it." at a bunch of teenage girls before the natives got there.
Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Quote:
Of course the little craphead stepped up to him and sneered at him until his bus arrived.
That's just false, the guy walked up to him, the kid didn't walk up or step up or anything.
Others in the native crowd can be heard telling the boys that they need to "go back to Europe" and nothing they say is important because they are white. Or he ask the kids "we have a demonstration and you come here and do this?" The kids ask "do what" and he replies, "you being white that's all you have to do" - That's from the native group.
I would post the video, but it would get banned due to the language in the background. You can search it if you want.
The native group was not what you claimed.
All I know is, if a grown ass man walked up to me beating a drum in my ear, telling me to go back to Europe - I would have dropped him.
The kid that smiled show great restraint for not doing so. He was calm and collective. You see an arrogant smirk, I see a kid scared a grown man is in his face and a nervous smile of pure emotion and adrenaline come out.
This is mainly false. You can see Phillips walks through the crowd and the kid steps up to him around 1:09:13 into the video, which I have watched multiple times. The kid refuses to move and stares down the elderly man.
As for the other point, there aren't multiple people. There's one guy who gets into an argument with a student. The student tells them to "leave America" at which point the native tells the student exactly what you said, "go back to Europe", including telling the kid that his family has only been here for two or three generations and that his has been here for thousands of years.
I'm not sure if you're trying to lie or accidentally confused the two Native Americans. The one who played the drums and sang his song of peace, only did that. He never told anyone to go back to Europe. I'm also a little disappointed that you believe violence is the answer in this solution.
I don't see just one kid with an arrogant smirk on his face trying to goad a fight. I see thirty kids with arrogant smirks on their face. Goading an old man into trying to fight. You can even hear the Convington kids warn each other not to touch him. They know they can't make the first physical move. That's why they would rather mock his song and do football chants. Typical punk move. You can even see a small group of them earlier in the day verbal accost other protectors outside of this one hour time frame.
All in all, I think we failed these children. Political discourse has turned into a blood sport. These kids came to DC prepared to attack anyone and everyone who disagrees with them. That's not on them. These are learned behaviors and they're teenagers.
Facts get ignored on this forum. I should've known better. Ya'll love your echo chamber.
February 10, 2019 Covington kid Nick Sandmann’s lawyer: ‘Nathan Phillips will be sued’ By Thomas Lifson
One of the most disgusting phony propaganda gambits to discredit Trump supporters is to face the civil justice system, where the truth will come out. Most AT readers already know that a wide array of media and political figures have been put on notice that they will be sued for libel of Nick Sandmann, the parochial school kid who was approached by Indian “elder” Nathan Phillips, who drummed inches from his face. Based on edited video, Sandmann was vilified as the aggressor. But now comes word that in addition to media outlets, writers and politicians, Phillips himself will be sued. This is important not for the monetary damages at stake, because Phillips shows no signs of having any financial resources, but because he will be placed under oath and questioned, where he will have to face videotape evidence of his behavior, contrasted with what he has said to the media. Steve Jalsevac reports in Life Site News:
One of the attorneys representing Covington High School student Nick Sandmann and his parents confirmed to LifeSiteNews that Native American activist Nathan Phillips, and some of the others who have received notices from the attorneys, “will be sued.”
Lin Wood, an Atlanta-based lawyer, told LifeSite yesterday that Phillips’ “lies and false accusations” against Sandmann and the other Covington students are “well documented.”
He also said they would be filing the first round of lawsuits "within two weeks."
Getting Phillips on the record, facing perjury penalties if his testimony is contradicted by the video, will be of inestimable value in suing the media. He would be wise to consider apologizing if he has any assets at all that he might wish to protect from a monetary judgment. Because the lawyers choose the order in which to sue, they can get this on the record before proceeding with other targets, a group which is growing in number:
The legal action by Sandmann’s attorneys is ramping up after notices demanding preservation of evidence for possible slander litigation were recently sent out to more than 50 media, dioceses, and celebrities.
Wood told LifeSite that the list of recipients of the notices “continues to grow in number” and that the legal team is “in the process of sending formal written retraction demands in conformity with statutes in states in which litigation may be filed.” They expect to advance to the next stage and “file the first round of civil lawsuits within the next two weeks.”
The media that will be sued have a serious vulnerability once Phillips is discredited:
Most seemed to rely almost entirely on statements made by Phillips and especially on a short initial video posted on social media that went viral. The video appears to have been deliberately edited to portray the Covington students as accosting and disrespecting Phillips.
The video was initially pushed through what has been revealed by Breitbart to be a likely Democrat activist controlled, anti-Trump fake Twitter account. It has since been suspended by Twitter for violating its fake account policy. Experts say the use of the account to so effectively promote the video had "the hallmarks of a disinformation campaign."
The lawyers for Sandmann already have created a 14-minute documentary film that gives the lie to the false media narratives:
YouTube screen grab
Naturally, the media would prefer that this examination of their accuracy and bias just go away. But that will not happen, thanks to the civil justice system. Federal courts do not permit video cameras, but many state courts do. Video of Phillips being cross examined could turn into a sensational rebuke. And it could also demonstrate media deception and bias harming an innocent child. Much though they would prefer to ignore it, the existence of social media makes that a poor option, for spiking the story only would make them look worse. Keep in mind that journalists are one of the most unpopular groups in the country. Are juries going to sympathize with them, or with a boy who was unfairly demonized?
Lawyer sends warning letters to 50+ media outlets, dioceses, celebs who slandered Covington student
February 4, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Attorneys for young Nick Sandmann have sent letters to more than 50 media outlets, pundits, journalists, and celebrities as well as Catholic dioceses who publicly slandered the pro-life high school student from Covington, Kentucky based on a misleading video clip that went viral.
The letter, which seeks to prevent the destruction of evidence, discloses a potential intent to sue the recipients, many of whom are household names –– a who’s-who list of strident, often controversial liberal voices.
Attorney Todd V. McMurtry wrote that he was notifying the more than four dozen recipients of their “obligation to preserve information that may be relevant to potential litigation,” in what he refers to as the “Sandman Matter.” The letter is explicit and detailed.
Sandmann was catapulted into the national spotlight when mischaracterizations of his appearance in the incomplete video unleashed a barrage of unwarranted vitriol and even death threats against him and his Catholic classmates who were participating in the March for Life last month in Washington, D.C.
Among the media outlets who received the letter after having jumped the gun to criticize Sandmann are The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, NPR, HBO, GQ, and TMZ.
Individual journalists and pundits include NBC's Chuck Todd, Andrea Mitchell, and Savannah Guthrie; MSNBC's Joy Reid; CNN's Erin Burnett, S.E. Cupp, and five others; The New York Times’ Maggie Haberman, David Brooks and two others; and The Washington Post’s Michelle Boorstein and seven others.
Liberal Hollywood types include Jim Carrey, Kathy Griffin, Alyssa Milano, and Bill Maher.
Two controversial Democrats were also sent letters: 2020 Presidential candidate, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and newly elected member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota.
Four dioceses that rushed to unfairly criticize the boys have also heard from Sandmann’s attorneys. They include the Diocese of Covington, Diocese of Lexington, and the Archdiocese of Louisville in Kentucky and the Archdiocese of Baltimore, Maryland.
Here is the complete list of recipients who were sent the letter on Friday, February 1:
The Washington Post
The New York Times
Cable News Network, Inc. (CNN)
The Guardian
National Public Radio
TMZ
Atlantic Media Inc.
Capitol Hill Publishing Corp.
Diocese of Covington
Diocese of Lexington
Archdiocese of Louisville
Archdiocese of Baltimore
Ana Cabrera
Sara Sidner
Erin Burnett
S.E. Cupp
Elliot C. McLaughlin
Amanda Watts
Emanuella Grinberg
Michelle Boorstein
Cleve R. Wootson Jr.
Antonio Olivo
Joe Heim
Michael E. Miller
Eli Rosenberg
Isaac Stanley-Becker
Kristine Phillips
Sarah Mervosh
Emily S. Rueb
Maggie Haberman
David Brooks
Shannon Doyne
Kurt Eichenwald
Andrea Mitchell
Savannah Guthrie
Joy Reid
Chuck Todd
Noah Berlatsky
Elisha Fieldstadt
Eun Kyung Kim
HBO
Bill Maher
Warner Media
Conde Nast
GQ
Heavy.com
The Hill
The Atlantic
Bustle.com
Ilhan Omar
Elizabeth Warren
Kathy Griffin
Alyssa Milano
Jim Carrey
McMurtry told The Cincinnati Enquirer that the incident permanently stained Sandmann’s reputation and that after an in-depth review by a team of several attorneys they “concluded we have a good faith basis to sue.”
“There was a rush by the media to believe what it wanted to believe versus what actually happened,” said McMurtry. “They know they crossed the line.”
“We want to change the conversation. We don't want this to happen again,” McMurtry told The Enquirer. “We want to teach people a lesson.”
McMurtry, a member of the Kentucky law firm Hemmer Defrank Wessels, is working in conjunction with famed trial attorney L. Lin Wood of Atlanta, Georgia, a libel and defamation lawyer who has represented clients against media giants, some of which have captured national attention.
Wood most famously defended Richard Jewell, who was falsely accused of the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta in 1996 and then brought defamation suits on behalf of John and Patsy Ramsey and son Burke for false accusations regarding the murder of child beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey. Working with Wood, Burke Ramsey recently agreed to settle a $750 million defamation suit against CBS, which aired a documentary in 2016 that suggested he killed his six-year-old sister, JonBenét, when he was nine.
Wood also represented the victim in the Colorado civil case against NBA star Kobe Bryant and was the lead civil attorney for Beth Holloway, mother of Natalee Holloway.
The constitution might have something to say about that.