Actually Vers, I watched the video for the first time yesterday.. and those "guys" he was running with, actually tried to break it up.. At least, it appeared that way to me.
Yes, they were trying to break it up. I'm not even saying they are bad people.
I want to play detective for a moment.
What time of day/night do you think it was?
Why were Hunt and his crew w/young women they didn't know?
Where do you think Hunt's crew and the women met?
Do you think alcohol was involved?
Again, I don't know how familiar you--or others--are w/the bar scene, but I was into it big back in the day. Bad things can happen when you are drinking in a bar late at night and then meet up w/strangers and continue the "party" at another location. And that is especially true if that location is a hotel.
Tie it all together. It's not so hard to figure out.
Kareem Hunt should have been barred from the NFL for life for what he done. Actions must have consequences. Even if you forgive, their must still be consequences.
So if a plumber had committed the same horrendous acts should he/she never be allowed to be a plumber again?
How about a waiter? Cook? Fireman? Lawyer? Nurse?
While what he did was inexcusable taking away his career is also inexcusable.
I agree with you 100% GM.. people say that playing in the NFL is a privilege.. playing in the NFL is a JOB. It just happens to be better paying and more high profile than your average job... but in the end, it's a job. If you have the skill set and are not prohibited by law, there should be no reason to prohibit you from doing the job you are good at as long as a team is willing to hire you.
Actually Vers, I watched the video for the first time yesterday.. and those "guys" he was running with, actually tried to break it up.. At least, it appeared that way to me.
Yeah, that's the kicker! I think the kid and his buddies are getting stereotyped a bit.
Everyone is saying Domestic Abuse - he didn't even know her, it wouldn't be DA, it would be assault.
Eveyone keeps saying his buddies and he needs to cut ties. He pushed the buddy into the girl if I remember correctly. Because the BUDDY was trying to keep him away from her. It seems for all purposes, that they had his best interest in the scenario.
That's how it appears to me as well.
#GMSTRONG
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Kareem Hunt was placed on the Reserve/Commissioner Exempt List by the NFL and released by the Kansas City Chiefs after newly released video showed the running back pushing and kicking a woman during an altercation that occurred at a Cleveland hotel in February. The video first surfaced Friday on the website TMZ.
The surveillance video shows Hunt getting into a confrontation with a woman while being restrained by others. After exchanging words with her, he shoves her before she strikes him in the face. Hunt then shoves another man into the woman, pushing her to the floor. Hunt eventually makes his way over to her and kicks her in the leg while she is on the floor.
Cleveland Police confirmed to NFL.com that no arrests were made in the incident and Hunt has not been charged.
"I want to apologize for my actions," Hunt said in a statement obtained by NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport. "I deeply regret what I did. I hope to move on from this."
The NFL released the following statement:
"The NFL has placed Kareem Hunt of the Kansas City Chiefs on the Commissioner Exempt list, and as a result, he may not practice, play or attend games. The NFL's investigation, which began immediately following the incident in February, will include a review of the new information that was made public today."
The Chiefs released Hunt a short time after he was placed on the Commissioner Exempt List.
Hunt was sent home early from the Chiefs' practice facility shortly after the video was published, a source told Rapoport.
It remains to be seen if Hunt will join a team while on the Commissioner Exempt List. Pursuant to the NFL's personal-conduct policy, a player placed on Commissioner Exempt List may, with his club's permission, be present at the club's facility on a reasonable basis for meetings, individual workouts, therapy and rehabilitation and other permitted non-football activities.
Neither the NFL nor the Chiefs had seen the video before it was released Friday, a source informed of the situation told Rapoport. The NFL made several attempts to obtain it. The hotel said it was corporate policy to only turn over surveillance video to law enforcement. Cleveland Police Dept. public information officer Jennifer Ciaccia confirmed to NFL.com the police did not release the video.
While no charges were filed, the NFL continued its investigation, which included contacting the alleged victims, sources told Rapoport. However, they did not respond to multiple messages from the league, per Rapoport.
According to a police report obtained by NFL.com, witnesses gave conflicting reports to officers about what led to the altercation. Hunt said he found two women with a man he knew when he returned to his room at The Metropolitan in Cleveland early on the morning of Feb. 10. He said he told the women to leave after learning they were 19 years old. One of the women said she was told to leave after she refused to be with one of the men in the room with Hunt.
Witnesses told police that one of the women involved yelled in the hallway and banged on the door of the room after being escorted out. One of the men with Hunt told police that the woman called Hunt names and used racial slurs before Hunt confronted her.
Speaking to reporters in August, Kareem Hunt referred to the incident: "I've learned from it and I'm focused on football."
Chiefs owner Clark Hunt also spoke in August about the incidents involving Hunt.
"I'm sure he learned some lessons this offseason and hopefully won't be in those kind of situations in the future," Clark Hunt said.
Hunt has rushed for 824 yards and seven touchdowns in 11 games for the Chiefs this season. He led the league in rushing as a rookie last year with 1,327 yards and eight touchdowns.
Last edited by FloridaFan; 02/13/1912:08 PM.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.
And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.
so you'd let some crazy woman pound on 'ya and just smile at her, maybe buy her flowers? I know I wouldn't.
I think this potentially signals the end of Duke Johnson in CLE.
These are the kinds of posts I least like to read on Dawgtalkers.
It happens every time the team gets somebody who potentially would be good.
Why the "heck" wouldn't the team be best to have both players on the team?
But somebody always assumes the team can't improve but must cut somebody because they signed somebody.
Duke wasn't even the worst RB on the team last year, the Rb on the team, who was there the vast majority of the Reg season, and provided the least impact was Hilliard.
But somebody, (not always any one in particular) always wants to post about kicking a contributor off the Browns, and makes the post prematurely.
Stop cutting veteran players. And why would anyone wish for it?
Actually he will eventually be replacing HILLIARD not DUKE on our roster.
As Dorsey stated 1. he is going to have to EARN his opportunities. 2. I think if Duke gets pushed somewhere it will be to the WR room not out the door. 3. I was actually surprised to read in looking at individual specs...they are around the same 40 times...and going by best time (Pro day or Combine)
jmho
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VERY strong runner. Great balance and low center of gravity. Sees holes quicker than most yet is patient when he needs to be. No doubt - next level "moves".
See what separates him from mere mortals at 1:10 and 3:00. See why you'd definitely rather see him in your backfield than the opposition's at 4:35... I was at the Chiefs game this year in Cleveland, talk about taking the wind out of our sails!
I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.
And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.
so you'd let some crazy woman pound on 'ya and just smile at her, maybe buy her flowers? I know I wouldn't.
I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.
I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place
The key is not to put yourself in these type of situations.
So says anybody, who isn't a 23 yard old with loads of cash.
When I was 22-23, I liked to be around pretty girls and party some, and I didn't have much cash back then.
When people know you have money, you attract a lot of people, and some of them aren't good people. Some of them see you as a easy target for a easy payday.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.
And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.
so you'd let some crazy woman pound on 'ya and just smile at her, maybe buy her flowers? I know I wouldn't.
I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.
I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place
I was talking about some crazed woman, a stranger to me, attacking me, not a woman who's mad at me because I was being an arse.
Btw, how DO you keep a woman from getting mad at you?
I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.
I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place thumbsup
Have you ever seen a 200# woman having a bad time on crack, meth, k2 or bath salts? I have, and even a macho genius such as yourself ain't stopping that pizzed off locomotive.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.
And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.
so you'd let some crazy woman pound on 'ya and just smile at her, maybe buy her flowers? I know I wouldn't.
I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.
I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place
Obviously you haven't been around too many women, especially drunk ones.
I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.
And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.
so you'd let some crazy woman pound on 'ya and just smile at her, maybe buy her flowers? I know I wouldn't.
I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.
I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place
I was talking about some crazed woman, a stranger to me, attacking me, not a woman who's mad at me because I was being an arse.
Btw, how DO you keep a woman from getting mad at you?
Cuz sometimes, they just get mad.
So you're making up an imaginary situation that is not at all like the KH situation.
He attacked her and continued to go after her. Not the other way around.
Why would a crazed woman randomly attack you? Do you hang around meth/crack houses? Is there are problem with zombie viruses in Canada?
I really wish the crap that goes on in the Political forum would not be such a big part of the Pure Football forum.
How about those of you who want to talk about how bad you are or how Hunt is a piece of trash or how you know how to handle a women start a thread in the Political forum and go at it hard and heavy and keep this crap out of PFF?
Like Fate said, all this talk and not one highlight reel and there is very little talk about what kind of player Hunt is.
I know I am not in good graces w/the refs......but hey guys/girls.........is it possile to clean this up a bit?
I'm imagining him and Chubb rotating carries and the stress that would put on defenses. Both can catch the ball and both run with power. No let up. It's got me drooling. I love Duke, in fact he is my favorite player, but Hunt is a way better player, and if they move Duke, I'll be a little sad, but the results will be because Hunt straightened up and is playing well.
Imagine both these guys in the backfield at the same time.
I think Duke might get moved, but it would be down the road. It's obvious that Hunt is going to be suspended, so trading Duke before the season would probably be a mistake.
Once Hunt is back on the field, I suspect that the Browns will trade either Duke or Hunt. I am not sure of that, but it makes sense to me. I don't see a trade happening earlier than that.
Man, if you look at what we are paying Hunt and cap hit...........this is one of the best deals I have ever, ever seen by a NFL FO. There is almost zero risk [financially] and the return on the investment has a good shot at being huge.
The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances. The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit.
The above was from what I posted earlier in this thread about the Commish's Exempt list..
My question of this reading is: Does this mean he doesn't count against the 53 man roster? If so.. Offhand I'd venture that Duke isn't going anywhere soon.
Umm .... definitely a RB upgrade over anyone on our roster except for Nick Chubb. However, he also appears to be a real piece of crap as a human being.
I hope that Dorsey knows what he's doing in this case. He's definitely huge talent though. I have to admit that my mind goes crazy thinking about 3 WR along with Chubb and Hunt .........
We'll see.
Funny you should say he's a real piece of crap as a human being, I was not aware of any other issues with him other than the one we are all aware of.
Is there something else that I just haven't seen?
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I really wish the crap that goes on in the Political forum would not be such a big part of the Pure Football forum.
How about those of you who want to talk about how bad you are or how Hunt is a piece of trash or how you know how to handle a women start a thread in the Political forum and go at it hard and heavy and keep this crap out of PFF?
Like Fate said, all this talk and not one highlight reel and there is very little talk about what kind of player Hunt is.
I know I am not in good graces w/the refs......but hey guys/girls.........is it possile to clean this up a bit?
The thread is ' Browns sign Kareem Hunt '
All aspects of the signing are open to discussion in my opinion including the off field stuff.
Start a ' How Kareem Hunt will help the Browns on the field ' thread.....
What Duke and KH can do together in an Air Raid offense will something to behold.
A Chubb/Hunt combo on running downs is going to be special too.
If we can make it work with the trio, fans will still be talking about this offense 30 years from now.
Thanks for the hi-lite video as I forgot what kind of football player Hunt was.
He is similar but I thought a more powerful and durable runner than Duke. I too was think man-o-man both he and Duke in a spread system with one or both going in motion and set up in slots or outside. Dangerous. Or one in motion and the other remains to take advantage of 6 in the box or some light in the butt defenders out there for the run game.
But for me cannot wait to see that 3 back look with Chubb, Duke and Hunt in there. Just puts a big on my face.
On the infraction that the TEAM invoked punishment by cutting him, nothing I don't think from the NFL.
But I remember seeing the video and the fact that the young lady in question was yelling out obscenities including the N-word. Was the clear instigator. My era we didn't think of physically involving ourselves with women. I find it interesting that we are damned if we claim women to be the weaker sex and then if treated as equal in a confrontation damned. Not approving of this reaction to females. Making some observations and at the time when I saw the video I didn't think he was the aggressor, I did not see the kick that seems to be the main offense and I did see a push that should not have been done. But this female was not an innocent. My point is not a Brown at the time I was on record on thinking he got the raw end of the stick in this encounter.
Since then I learned that like many young men and he was young. He tried to get out of it by lying to his superiors on the team which is why they Cut him (just like we did with Gordon) more the lying to Coaches/FO rather than actual deed.
Also I heard (on this board so take if for what its worth) is that the Chiefs were one of the teams looking to sign him.
All I know is I hope he learned his lesson and will stay out of situations that can turn ugly, surround himself with peers that will have fun but stay out of trouble.
Best thing for him, meet a nice young lady and get married!
This can be a dream for Kitchens having Chubb, Duke and now Hunt on the team.
jmho
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Actually Vers, I watched the video for the first time yesterday.. and those "guys" he was running with, actually tried to break it up.. At least, it appeared that way to me.
Yes, they were trying to break it up. I'm not even saying they are bad people.
I want to play detective for a moment.
What time of day/night do you think it was?
Why were Hunt and his crew w/young women they didn't know?
Where do you think Hunt's crew and the women met?
Do you think alcohol was involved?
Again, I don't know how familiar you--or others--are w/the bar scene, but I was into it big back in the day. Bad things can happen when you are drinking in a bar late at night and then meet up w/strangers and continue the "party" at another location. And that is especially true if that location is a hotel.
Tie it all together. It's not so hard to figure out.
Honestly don't know what time this took place, but I'd bet some Alcohol was involved..
Either way, it without a doubt doesn't rise to the level of Ray Rice! Well, at least I don't think so.
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#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.
I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place thumbsup
Have you ever seen a 200# woman having a bad time on crack, meth, k2 or bath salts? I have, and even a macho genius such as yourself ain't stopping that pizzed off locomotive.
I think you need to re-evaluate your life and your friends, then.
There is never a scenario to hit a women. FYI, if you cant outrun a 200# women on meth and bath salts, you might want to get a #PlanetFitness membership.
I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.
I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place thumbsup
Have you ever seen a 200# woman having a bad time on crack, meth, k2 or bath salts? I have, and even a macho genius such as yourself ain't stopping that pizzed off locomotive.
I think you need to re-evaluate your life and your friends, then.
There is never a scenario to hit a women. FYI, if you cant outrun a 200# women on meth and bath salts, you might want to get a #PlanetFitness membership.
Any guesses on when we'd learn his suspension? Probably not until march at the earliest?
I'm pretty sure that I saw something saying that it was expected there would be a decision prior to the start of Free Agency. That is not saying there WILL be, just that it was the rumored expectation.
If suspended, he does not count against the 53 until after he is re-activated. I do believe that he will count against all other roster caps, however. So, he will count toward the 90 and 80 man roster caps during the Spring and Summer.
As for the move itself - I'm torn on this one. I have mixed feelings and I *really* hope that better information comes out that puts me at ease with this move. A letter, likely even written by a publicist, to give the appearance of being contrite is not sufficient for me.
Admittedly, I have NOT looked deeply into the issue and I'm not even sure if I ever even fully watched the video when the incident was first reported last year. That said, I have some real reservations about bringing in a guy like this, BUT to counter it I have trust in Dorsey and the fact where his former team was in the mix to try to re-sign him. That tells me that more than a few distinct groups individually feel that the issue likely isn't what it was blown up to be in the media, and if that is the case I'm happy with the signing because of how cheaply we just acquired a MAJOR talent that will either contribute well or beget us some serious Draft capital. That is my hope, anyway. *IF* it IS what it was blown up to be in the media, then I absolutely am not in favor of this move and I really dislike what this says about our team. Talent be damned.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Admittedly, I have NOT looked deeply into the issue and I'm not even sure if I ever even fully watched the video when the incident was first reported last year.
You need to watch the video then. It will ease some of your concerns. Its NOT what the media made it out to be.
I think this potentially signals the end of Duke Johnson in CLE.
You don't think he can be moved to a slot receiver position? Just started this thread and haven't read all the posts yet so forgive me if this has already been answered.
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JMHO, I've witnessed in families a lot worst physical harm done than what Kareem did...time of day, alcohol, and disgusting name calling probably contributed to his actions. Glad he's gotten second chance with US. Good for him and Browns. The media often paints the picture they want to insight controversy...they make news vs report news. And women are equals, they are in military combat arms- fairer sex only applies when they want it....wrong, you can get your butt beat if you're asking for it....that's what they've demanded in our society. Live with it. Go Browns!!!
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I might be in the minority thinking Duke shouldn't need to worry about packing for a while, but the Air Raid needs speed, speed and more speed. Most passing plays have 4 vertical routes. I wouldn't be showing the door to somebody with Duke's speed if I'm the coach.
Admittedly, I have NOT looked deeply into the issue and I'm not even sure if I ever even fully watched the video when the incident was first reported last year.
You need to watch the video then. It will ease some of your concerns. Its NOT what the media made it out to be.
If this is the case, then I am happy with this move. Supreme talent for dirt cheap. Barely more than a rookie contract and we will own his RFA rights. Can't beat that.
Heck, if nothing else, perhaps we get a 1st round pick for him in April.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I don't know all the facts.....what was he arrested for? Has he or when does he go to trial? If he is convicted of that, we need to get rid of the guy.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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