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Posted By: CHSDawg Browns sign Kareem Hunt - 02/11/19 07:00 PM

I guess someone was going to sign him and we do need a backup. Plus, if Tyreke Hill can play in the NFL and be cheered, Kareem deserves a chance too.

Umm .... definitely a RB upgrade over anyone on our roster except for Nick Chubb. However, he also appears to be a real piece of crap as a human being.

I hope that Dorsey knows what he's doing in this case. He's definitely huge talent though. I have to admit that my mind goes crazy thinking about 3 WR along with Chubb and Hunt .........

We'll see.

Been saying this for years, I want to win not sign choir boys. Pretty pumped tbh

Duke must be asking where he fits in all this, but who knows if Kareem sticks.

1yr, 1million.

Plus he is an RFA, if he plays well maybe land a draft pick.

I enjoyed ripping on Joe Mixon while it lasted.

Not nearly as thrilled about adding such a talent as I want to be. Not the best look for us.

Originally Posted By: BpG

Been saying this for years, I want to win not sign choir boys.

Makes sense if it were impossible to do both.

Originally Posted By: Punchsmack

Duke must be asking where he fits in all this, but who knows if Kareem sticks.

My thoughts exactly. Hunt's personal stuff aside, he adds real firepower to this team. How does Duke keep his job if Hunt can be on the field?

And will Hunt "play nice" with Chubb as our number 1 back?

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

Umm .... definitely a RB upgrade over anyone on our roster except for Nick Chubb. However, he also appears to be a real piece of crap as a human being.

I hope that Dorsey knows what he's doing in this case. He's definitely huge talent though. I have to admit that my mind goes crazy thinking about 3 WR along with Chubb and Hunt .........

We'll see.

Piece of crap, huh? The media didn't influence ur opinion by any chance, did they?

I actually have been expecting this.

Originally Posted By: BrownMoose

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

Umm .... definitely a RB upgrade over anyone on our roster except for Nick Chubb. However, he also appears to be a real piece of crap as a human being.

I hope that Dorsey knows what he's doing in this case. He's definitely huge talent though. I have to admit that my mind goes crazy thinking about 3 WR along with Chubb and Hunt .........

We'll see.

Piece of crap, huh? The media didn't influence ur opinion by any chance, did they?

You think the Chiefs were influenced by the media?

Originally Posted By: Brownoholic

Originally Posted By: BrownMoose

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

Umm .... definitely a RB upgrade over anyone on our roster except for Nick Chubb. However, he also appears to be a real piece of crap as a human being.

I hope that Dorsey knows what he's doing in this case. He's definitely huge talent though. I have to admit that my mind goes crazy thinking about 3 WR along with Chubb and Hunt .........

We'll see.

Piece of crap, huh? The media didn't influence ur opinion by any chance, did they?

You think the Chiefs were influenced by the media?

He lied to the Chiefs about the incident and they cut him for it.

Originally Posted By: CapCity Dawg

I actually have been expecting this.

Same. Besides the obvious ties to Dorsey, he's also a local kid and grew up as a fan of the team.

He’s definitely not a role model. Cannot and will not make any excuses for hitting a woman. He is definitely a piece of crap in that instance, but everyone makes mistakes.

And he is a good player, very good. Probably and likely a little over rated in Andy Reids system but 1yr, 1 mil? Seems like a deal to me.

Ugh...

We sign a homophobe to coach special teams, and now we sign someone who throws women around as a RB?

This team is getting hard to root for.

Originally Posted By: BrownMoose

Piece of crap, huh? The media didn't influence ur opinion by any chance, did they?

You did see the video where he tossed a woman around, right?

Originally Posted By: BpG

Been saying this for years, I want to win not sign choir boys. Pretty pumped tbh

Pumped here as well.

There's folks doing years in prison walking around the streets these days. In his hometown? He'll be under a big microscope. Imo better chance of "the straight and narrow" here than anywhere else.

Gotta give the kid a chance.

I want to win as bad as the next guy and Hunt is a great talent, but wow, beating women is not good, I was raised to NEVER hit a woman, if they get you that angry walk away, I don't know how to feel about this, we all deserve a second chance and God tells us we must forgive so I will do that and accept him as a Brown and pray he will change his personal ways and help lead us to a Super Bowl, and I don't care how good he is Chubb will be a better 20-30 carry a game back IMO ...

Originally Posted By: BpG

He’s definitely not a role model. Cannot and will not make any excuses for hitting a woman. He is definitely a piece of crap in that instance, but everyone makes mistakes.

And he is a good player, very good. Probably and likely a little over rated in Andy Reids system but 1yr, 1 mil? Seems like a deal to me.

It's not a mistake to attack a woman, it's a character flaw.

We have no idea how many games he will be suspended for. He could be out all next year... Or at least a good bit of it. I don't like this but it's not a surprise. He better get and keep his **** together. Guess I can't bitch about the Squealers having a sexual predator at QB any longer...

Originally Posted By: Punchsmack

Duke must be asking where he fits in all this, but who knows if Kareem sticks.

Hunt will probably be suspended for much of the year.

Originally Posted By: BrownMoose

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

Umm .... definitely a RB upgrade over anyone on our roster except for Nick Chubb. However, he also appears to be a real piece of crap as a human being.

I hope that Dorsey knows what he's doing in this case. He's definitely huge talent though. I have to admit that my mind goes crazy thinking about 3 WR along with Chubb and Hunt .........

We'll see.

Piece of crap, huh? The media didn't influence ur opinion by any chance, did they?

Seeing him shoving and kicking a pregnant woman did it. Hopefully he gets himself straightened out, and learns to respect women.

I just hear an opinion that with Chubb, Johnson, and Hunt, the Browns have the most talented backfield in the NFL. We'll see if he can learn to be a real man, not one who assaults others, especially women.

Not sure why I'm not surprised.. Dorsey has a relationship with him that goes back a few years and certainly he is a productive player.

I'm not happy with his actions, but I gotta tell you, I've not always been proud of my actions and for the most part, I've been lucky enough to be around people that have forgiven me for them... I'm lucky,, why shouldn't he be.

Having Johnson, Chubb and Him would be pretty interesting. That's going to create some issues for opposing defenses.

Keeping my fingers crossed that this works out.

I guess little risk, high reward is Dorseys thinking.

I would rather not take the risk of the losing the locker room though. JMO.

He is a supreme talent, and we could have 2 of the top RB in the league next year. but like last year with Hyde and Chubb, how do you split the time? 50/50 60/40 70/30? I assume Duke will be a liability if Hunt balls out.

I'm not sure how many RB's people think will actually get substantial playing time. I could see Duke as a situational WR, but if they plan to use Hunt it would only mean Duke's touches from the RB formation will lessen.

Well, at least we don't have a REAL headcase like Josh Gordon.

#wheelsonthebusgoroundandround

I'm surprised by the move. Not happy about it. Guess we don't live in a perfect world after all.

I have nothing but emotions invested in the Browns, no financial stake.

The Browns are a business, as any other, and at this point, I just want them to win.

If we are going to judge players on all their off field issues, then Jim Brown's name should be removed from the stadium as well,

Originally Posted By: CalDawg

I'm surprised by the move. Not happy about it. Guess we don't live in a perfect world after all.

I felt people should have figured that out when we drafted Calloway.

Josh Gordon fell under the "13 strikes and you're out" rule.

Seems to be Dorsey's thing... tremendously talented players with questionable character... Hunt, Hill, Callaway....

Originally Posted By: FloridaFan

If we are going to judge players on all their off field issues, then Jim Brown's name should be removed from the stadium as well,

I remembered a few of us talked about that issue a few months ago.

Some people can separate the actions from the player.

Kudos to you who can. I know I can't.

One thing just hit my poor old head .... and that's this:

How would we feel about facing a Steelers team with James Conner and Kareem Hunt? How about Joe Mixon and Kareem Hunt in Cincinnati? What if Baltimore added Hunt to Jackson, Dixon, and Edwards?

The Cleveland Browns have signed RB Kareem Hunt.

Hunt is 5-11, 216 pounds and entering his third NFL season out of Toledo. Originally drafted by Kansas City in the third round of the 2017 NFL draft, Hunt has appeared in 27 career games. He has rushed for 2,151 yards on 453 attempts (4.7 average) with 15 touchdowns, while adding 79 receptions for 833 yards with 10 touchdowns.

As a rookie in 2017, Hunt led the NFL with 1,327 rushing yards en route to a Pro Bowl selection. He became just the sixth rookie since 1966 (Super Bowl era) to lead the league in rushing yards. Hunt also became the first player in NFL history to record six consecutive games with 100-plus scrimmage yards to start their rookie campaign. He appeared in 11 games in 2018 and registered 824 rushing yards, 378 receiving yards and 14 total touchdowns. He was released by the Chiefs on Nov. 30. Hunt finished his collegiate career as Toledo’s all-time leading rusher with 4,945 yards, while scoring 44 rushing touchdowns. He attended Willoughby South High School in Willoughby, Ohio.

John Dorsey on signing free agent running back Kareem Hunt:

“My relationship and interaction with Kareem since 2016 in college was an important part of this decision making process but we then did extensive due diligence with many individuals, including clinical professionals, to have a better understanding of the person he is today and whether it was prudent to sign him. There were two important factors: one is that Kareem took full responsibility for his egregious actions and showed true remorse and secondly, just as importantly, he is undergoing and is committed to necessary professional treatment and a plan that has been clearly laid out.”

“We fully understand and respect the complexity of questions and issues in signing a player with Kareem’s history and do not condone his actions. Given what we know about Kareem through our extensive research, we believe he deserves a second chance but certainly with the understanding that he has to go through critical and essential steps to become a performing member of this organization, aside from what the NFL determines from their ongoing investigation. We fully understand that Kareem is subject to discipline by the NFL. Here at the Browns, there is a detailed plan with expectations laid out that he understands and must follow, because any similar incident will not be tolerated. We will support Kareem through this process and utilize our resources, however permitted, to help him become successful on and off the field as long as he continues to show the commitment necessary to represent this organization.”

Kareem Hunt on signing a free agent contract with the Cleveland Browns:

“First off, I would like to once again apologize for my actions last year. What I did was wrong and inexcusable. That is not the man I was raised to be, and I’ve learned a great deal from that experience and certainly should have been more truthful about it after the fact. I’m extremely grateful that John Dorsey, Dee and Jimmy Haslam and the Cleveland Browns organization are granting me the opportunity to earn their trust and represent their organization in the best way possible on and off the field. I am committed to following the necessary steps to learn and to be a better and healthier person from this situation. I also understand the expectations that the Browns have clearly laid out and that I have to earn my way back to the NFL. I’m a work in progress as a person, but I’m committed to taking advantage of the support systems that I have in place to become the best and healthier version of myself.”

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/bro...medium=referral

I think this potentially signals the end of Duke Johnson in CLE.

j/c

As much as some seem to fail to understand it, it's a business decision. It's a risk verses reward situation. A small risk for a very possible high reward.

I certainly don't expect everyone to like it. That would be unrealistic expectations. But it helps to understand it.

Seems like there's a lot riding on him playing.

Redeem yourself, dedicate your life to better treatment of women, and just be a better human.

Dorsey knows when to let go. I guess I'll trust his judgement.

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

I think this potentially signals the end of Duke Johnson in CLE.

His three year extension kicks in this year. I wouldn't worry too much about Duke. He's a versatile weapon in a time where versatility is the best thing a skill position can offer.

Maybe this is the end that we think that Duke is a top 5 HB. Kareem will eat from Chubb's carries, not Duke's.

Originally Posted By: FloridaFan

I have nothing but emotions invested in the Browns, no financial stake.

The Browns are a business, as any other, and at this point, I just want them to win.

If we are going to judge players on all their off field issues, then Jim Brown's name should be removed from the stadium as well,

Good point.

I'm a graduate of Willoughby South and was a KH fan until I saw the video. As a person in recovery, I believe in second chances. There are football players with worse crimes in their past who enjoy the love and adoration of fans (Ray Lewis, Big Ben, etc.) And it's a show me contract, 1 year, 1 million.

I'm not trilled, but not surprised. Dorsey drafted him and knows him well, and has not been shy of signing good players with character question marks. If he keeps to the straight and narrow, we have a good player. If not, we can cut him in a heartbeat. I'm ok with it.

I would have preferred to not have this player on my team. Now that he is on my team I will root for him to succeed.

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

I think this potentially signals the end of Duke Johnson in CLE.

I wonder what his trade value might be?

Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist

Ugh...

We sign a homophobe to coach special teams, and now we sign someone who throws women around as a RB?

This team is getting hard to root for.

Don’t let the door hit u in the ass on the way out ...

I keep thinking back and forth on this ....

Right now I am wondering what the Wishbone would look like with Chubb, Hunt, and Duke ......

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

I would have preferred to not have this player on my team. Now that he is on my team I will root for him to succeed.

I guess this is as close to my feelings as any ...

IF he's sincere about owning up to his actions and willing to be under a hell of a microscope then Welcome.
Chiefs let him go for lying to them.
That's their story anyway.
No charges were filed and so he was never tried for anything.
1 year for 1 million is WAY less than he's worth as a player,
now as a man.... we'll see.

whats done is done, We got an top 5 RB for 1million. He's better than Duke. The key is how he carries himself moving forward. Everyone deserves a second chance and a chance to be rehabilitated. Let's wait and see. NFL is full of criminals.

Originally Posted By: PitDAWG

j/c

As much as some seem to fail to understand it, it's a business decision. It's a risk verses reward situation. A small risk for a very possible high reward.

I certainly don't expect everyone to like it. That would be unrealistic expectations. But it helps to understand it.

I mean we did need a new kicker . . . bad joke, I know.

I hate to say this but for most when we hoist the Lombardi trophy no one will care what he did ... Remember I said most not all

YES..excellent move by the Browns and Dorsey.

Football experience at work again as Dorsey's interaction with Hunt while he was the Chiefs GM led to the Chiefs drafting Hunt. Now that relationship pays off again, this time for the Browns.

To those who are against Hunt coming to the Browns you need to understand, someone was going to look beyond Hunts problems and sign him...why not let it be the Browns?

The Browns, for years, did all they could to help Josh Gordon with problems, so I feel comfortable with the Browns helping Hunt get through his issues.

Welcome to Cleveland, Kareem.

Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. I am excited he is a Brown!!!

This gives us more options. Having Duke and Hunt is like having 2 extra slot receivers who can also run the ball. I think he is a better #1 than Chubb and a better 3rd down back than Duke. It will be up to the coaches to figure out how to get the most out of all 3. One thing I do like is that we are able to use these backs in the pass game a lot more in that Air Raid system. hell you can run some of those verticals with these backs or you can have them crossing. Just unlimited options with these dawgs.

Now with all that said, he is probably looking at a 4 game suspension maybe 6 since he is a brown and not a raven or Steeler. No risk and high reward. Lets see if he can learn from his mistakes and make a difference.

I think he's looking at more like an 8-10 game suspension.

Originally Posted By: CHSDawg

Kareem will eat from Chubb's carries, not Duke's.

Is this really a desirable thing, though? Chubb did outstanding for us last year.

I didn't watch a lot of Chiefs games so I don't know much about Hunt, but he seems like that quick elusive type. Chubb seems like more of the power guy (though certainly with a burst and speed, as we saw multiple times last year).

I think if he's going to take away from Chubb it's only because Chubb would have otherwise been our workhorse. Taking carries away from Duke would be tough since Duke doesn't really carry a ton. His value is in the pass game, IMO.

I like Duke a lot, but if Hunt pans out, I'd rather we have Chubb as the feature guy and then Hunt as the speedster who we throw to when the other team is on its heels a bit.

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

Well, at least we don't have a REAL headcase like Josh Gordon.

#wheelsonthebusgoroundandround

This is nada like the Josh Gordon situation .. NOTHING ... just like bake and Manziel were ENTIRLEY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS ...

Hopefully Hunt can control his temper and quit being.a woman beater ..

What SHOCKS me is anyone being surprised at this .. its right in the King’s wheelhouse ... I didn’t see it coming because of Chubb ... once again i was WRONG ... *L* ..

It doesn’t SHOCK ME in the least ...

QUESTION IS .. does he play at all in 19 .. verbiage in the contract is important .. if he does play .. we got one hell of a running back on the CHEAP CHEAP ...

I don’t see this affecting Duke at all ... its sure as hell gonna affect Chubb ... it may be at least another year before he gets his 1000 yards ... *L* ...

Some just refuse to grasp that this will impact the back up RB more than the starting RB. Any way you slice it, Duke will have fewer carries out of the backfield. Tab has mentioned many times that Duke may make a better WR. That may be the actual plan here.

j/c:

This is for Pit and Diam. Fate and bonefish might get it, too. LOL

Originally Posted By: PitDAWG

Some just refuse to grasp that this will impact the back up RB more than the starting RB. Any way you slice it, Duke will have fewer carries out of the backfield. Tab has mentioned many times that Duke may make a better WR. That may be the actual plan here.

Correct, Chubb is our #1 Back. no question. Dukes became expandable, unless they move him to WR, which is a crowded field to begin with. He might be the best catching RB in the league, but is really better than the WR we have on our team at WR? I don't think he is. Jarvis, Perriman (if we sign), Higgins (if we sign), Callaway, then you have Louis coming back, Willies coming back, etc.

We need to see what the league is going to do with Hunt, and if he can stay on the straight and narrow. But Duke maybe not be here next year.

A couple of things......

1) If we are going to use some of the good will the FO had going for it and sign a woman beater......why not get a woman beater who is at a position of need??...lol. Seriously I understand why we did it (see Pit's post) but I'm still not a huge fan of this one.

2) I hope this doesn't become the norm of ignoring character concerns. One or two of these guys on a roster can be influenced by the culture but when you continue to overlook issues the guys tend to become the culture. This was one of the criticisms that the Chiefs had with Dorsey and why you saw them jettison some talented guys Dorsey brought in like Peters to help clean up their locker room.

3) As for the football side of this, it is awesome to have two guys you do not have to take off the field for passing downs or give the defense a pretty large tip of what is coming when they are in.....really makes it harder for the D to guess what is coming.

4) As Purp mentioned I will not be surprised if this is the end for Duke. They really struggled how to use him last year anyway so there is that. I wonder what his trade value would be considering he is primarily a 3rd down back?

Originally Posted By: brownsfansince79

Originally Posted By: CHSDawg

Kareem will eat from Chubb's carries, not Duke's.

Is this really a desirable thing, though? Chubb did outstanding for us last year.

I didn't watch a lot of Chiefs games so I don't know much about Hunt, but he seems like that quick elusive type. Chubb seems like more of the power guy (though certainly with a burst and speed, as we saw multiple times last year).

I think if he's going to take away from Chubb it's only because Chubb would have otherwise been our workhorse. Taking carries away from Duke would be tough since Duke doesn't really carry a ton. His value is in the pass game, IMO.

I like Duke a lot, but if Hunt pans out, I'd rather we have Chubb as the feature guy and then Hunt as the speedster who we throw to when the other team is on its heels a bit.

I guess you're right. I honestly though Hunt was a bit bigger like 6'1, 220 lbs, but nope, he's your average 6 footer who weighs around 200 lbs. He might get more time in the passing game than Duke, at least from the backfield.

Either way we cut it, I think we're in for another log jam like we had earlier this year with Hyde. I just hope Kitchens breaks out some wishbone and odd fronts to take advantage of the situation.

I have some thoughts on this move:

--It's not surprising knowing that it's Dorsey.

--Dorsey is a genius. We got him cheap and we can tender him next year. He will be in high demand. There is almost no risk at all involved in this signing. He will either stud out for us or we can turn him into a commodity. Brilliant move. Big splash! LOL

--Hunt will almost certainly be facing a lengthy suspension to start the year.

--Other teams were interested in Hunt. Dorsey beat them to the punch.

--I know a lot of people don't watch many games of other teams, but Hunt is better than Chubb. If he plays w/us, he won't be a backup.

--I think that if he does play for us, we will have a two-headed monster that will be the envy of the entire NFL. Both Hunt and Chubb will get a ton of usage. People might not know that Hunt is a big-time receiver, as well.

--I don't think the woman in the hotel was pregnant. I think she was a 19 year old woman who went to Kent State. I could be wrong. We discussed this at the time, but if you really watch the video, it isn't even close to what others like Mixon, Rice, Adrian Peterson, Hardy, etc. I have also read where he has been actively involved in counseling and that is why there was interest from other teams in signing Hunt.

--Bottom line.............this is a great coup by Dorsey!!!!

He's going to face a minimum of an eight game suspension per Nathan Zegura before being able to actually play.

I expect he'll be involved in another physical altercation in that time and be suspended further.

I'll be surprised if he ever plays a down on the field for the Browns.

Not the best look for the Browns after so much positive press and the future of the team.

Yeah, that Calloway kid hasn't played a down either.

Where u been Willie... King John’s NEVER CARED about CHARACTER .... EVER ...

Why would u think he’s gonna start now? ...

We drafted Calloway and when we started signing undrafted free agents after the draft i thought it was the POLICE BLOTTER not who we signed ..*L* ..

Hopefully Dorsey proves to be a father like figure and sets him straight regardless of what be does for the team.

Originally Posted By: PitDAWG

Some just refuse to grasp that this will impact the back up RB more than the starting RB. Any way you slice it, Duke will have fewer carries out of the backfield. Tab has mentioned many times that Duke may make a better WR. That may be the actual plan here.

Can Duke be the Browns Julian Edelman?

If Freddie can use Duke in a similar capacity, it could be another benefit from the signing of Hunt.

If the Browns feel that Duke doesn't fit in, what would his trade value be?

Originally Posted By: PitDAWG

Yeah, that Calloway kid hasn't played a down either.

Calloway. The New Hayden!

I was not aware Callaway faced a lengthy NFL suspension.

Hunt may play a down for the Browns. He may not. I'll be more surprised if he does.

I'm a little baffled that people aren't realizing what a great move this is by Dorsey??????????

He is going to be a restricted FA after the season. Thus, we have all kinds of options for a guy that will most likely be a very, very hot commodity. We can keep him and use his talents. He is one of the very top backs in the entire NFL! We can tag him, trade him, etc, etc.

I was just watching a little bit of a show on TV and I think it was Daniely Jeremiah talking about how the Browns were huge winners in this deal and that there is almost no risk. And then he said, the Chiefs are the real losers here. And the lady host said, "yeah, for doing the right thing." And then they were talking about how in past years, the Browns would have had something like this happen to them. Now, they are the winners and the Chiefs are the losers.

Guys, this was an outstanding move!!!

I thought Kareem only had one incident of violence? Did I miss something?

Originally Posted By: CHSDawg

I thought Kareem only had one incident of violence? Did I miss something?

Three.

Link

Originally Posted By: PitDAWG

Some just refuse to grasp that this will impact the back up RB more than the starting RB. Any way you slice it, Duke will have fewer carries out of the backfield. Tab has mentioned many times that Duke may make a better WR. That may be the actual plan here.

Duke as our Tyreek Hill?
Duke is only 1" shorter and mere hundredths of a second slower in the 40.... very comparable players, statistically speaking.

However, we're already pretty darn crowded at WR, and even as depleted as we were at WR at times this past season, he wasn't getting those touches. It's interesting to think about, but I wouldn't bet too heavily on it. I think it is more likely that Duke is trade bait in April.

Not sure i agree Hunt is better ... hes really good ... i’d say there DIFFERENT ... totally different types of RB’s ...

When ever he gets to play this year he will be a GREAT ADDITION ... dude can ball ...

Hunt is REALLY REALLY GOOD ... i wasn’t sold on him after his rookie year .. last year he sold the hell out of me ..

Just like i rooted for and still do root for Josh to turn his life around .. i hope Hunt kicks his demons butt also ..

this is what I expect to happen. 10 game suspension, 5 of which will be on 2018. The only reason it is this long is because of the night club punch thrown also.

Originally Posted By: Milk Man

Originally Posted By: CHSDawg

I thought Kareem only had one incident of violence? Did I miss something?

Three.

Link

I forgot about the others. Not a good luck. I thought he only had one incident, not a history of them. Maybe we found our new FB?

I'm totally conflicted. He's a huge talent, but ... it's a business, but ... I don't want a team of choir boys to use someone else's expression, but ...

I hope he turns his life around and manages to outweigh his past with helping others and being a positive influence by talking about what he has been through and learned.

I hope he doesn't become a distraction to the team or create friction.

On the face of it KH owned what he did and has handled his situation differently than Ray Rice and to my knowledge Mixon .... I hope that appearance is deep and sincere.

I think Hunt is better, but that isn't a knock on Chubb. I think we could have the best one-two punch in the entire NFL. They will both get a ton of touches.

We can also tag him and trade him. There is almost nothing to lose here.

I do want to add a general comment that it never ceases to amaze me that people are shocked when they find out football players can be violent. LOL. Seriously. That's amazing!

I want to add that the NFL players on the show were saying that Hunt won't be a locker room problem. They said that Hunt was extremely well-liked by Mahomes, Kelsey, and the crew.

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

I have some thoughts on this move:

--It's not surprising knowing that it's Dorsey.

--Dorsey is a genius. We got him cheap and we can tender him next year. He will be in high demand. There is almost no risk at all involved in this signing. He will either stud out for us or we can turn him into a commodity. Brilliant move. Big splash! LOL

--Hunt will almost certainly be facing a lengthy suspension to start the year.

--Other teams were interested in Hunt. Dorsey beat them to the punch.

--I know a lot of people don't watch many games of other teams, but Hunt is better than Chubb. If he plays w/us, he won't be a backup.

--I think that if he does play for us, we will have a two-headed monster that will be the envy of the entire NFL. Both Hunt and Chubb will get a ton of usage. People might not know that Hunt is a big-time receiver, as well.

--I don't think the woman in the hotel was pregnant. I think she was a 19 year old woman who went to Kent State. I could be wrong. We discussed this at the time, but if you really watch the video, it isn't even close to what others like Mixon, Rice, Adrian Peterson, Hardy, etc. I have also read where he has been actively involved in counseling and that is why there was interest from other teams in signing Hunt.

--Bottom line.............this is a great coup by Dorsey!!!!

FWIW, I got the "big splash" graphic.

I agree with what you're saying. Overall, this is a low risk move, except maybe from a PR standpoint. Maybe.

Hunt is talented, and Dorsey's statement has it that Dorsey did not make a rash decision here. He feels comfortable bringing him in, and believes Hunt understands the expectations.

As you said, we hold the cards here, contract-wise.

I do have one question - I have seen it mentioned here, as well as on other social media, that this could spell the end of Duke here. Why would Duke be the odd one out? Why would it not be Hilliard or Mays?

No he hasn't...lol.

Again I don't think bringing in Calloway or Hunt in is a big deal in itself, but I do worry about us signing too many of these guys and they become the culture instead of being influenced by it. Look no further than the Bungels or Dorsey's last team the Chiefs where they traded guys to clean up the mess. Nothing to worry about yet, but is something to keep an eye on imo.

As for the Hunt signing itself....as Pitt and Vers said low risk high reward move that at the very least could net us a pick next year. Also as I mentioned previously it allows us to keep Hunt/Chubb in on any down without losing any pass catching ability or conversely potentially tipping our hand as to what we are doing. Potentially a pretty big deal.

see ya Duke. the Browns just added a homerun threat at RB instead of sticking with singles hitters

My first reaction is... ugh and yuck (the assault/violence issue).

My second reaction is... why? (the us already having Chubb and Duke issue)

I get he's probably an improvement over Chubb and/or Duke... but how much of an improvement? I'm still not clear on whose touches he's going to take, but... to me... we've made a very marginal improvement (albeit extremely cheaply) but really compromised the image of our team. The argument that his woman-beating incident isn't as bad as others really doesn't hold water. Assaulting a woman really isn't acceptable.

Like others, I don't like it at all. It'll leave a bad taste in my mouth. All I can do is root for him (in that, I root for him to be a good person). Hey, Marshawn Lynch was run out of Buffalo for similar stuff, iirc. He ended up turning it around.

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

I think Hunt is better, but that isn't a knock on Chubb. I think we could have the best one-two punch in the entire NFL. They will both get a ton of touches.

We can also tag him and trade him. There is almost nothing to lose here.

I do want to add a general comment that it never ceases to amaze me that people are shocked when they find out football players can be violent. LOL. Seriously. That's amazing!

We’ve had lots of disagreements and some knock down drag outs over the years ... this is AN EXTREMELY FUN ONE TO HAVE .... *L* ..

Were splitting hairs IMO ... there both REAL GOOD ...

The sooner he gets on the field ... THE BETTER IMO ...

It is a BRILIANT MOVE by King John ... no downside with a never ending flow of upside ... we could get a first round pick for him ... i’m Sure Sashi would Have done better ...

...

General comment .... I will root for Hunt the human being first and the football player 2nd .. just like i did/do with Josh ..

This is a fantastic move by Dorsey. We are giving a kid a chance to turn his life around and I'm sure there will be zero tolerance from the Browns, and I mean zero. It is very cheap for us and the kid can flat out ball. He is more talented than Chubb but he is a different type of runner. Best backfield in the league if Hunt can redeem himself.

I don't condone his actions but believe in second chances. Let's see if he appreciates his.

How the hell are we going to trade for him if he's on a one year deal and he's suspended past the week 10 trade deadline? And why would we trade him if we're in the middle of the playoff run. Don't jump ahead of yourself, Diam.

He'll be a RFA after the year. We can tender him and trade him if we so choose to do so after the season.

The bottom line is that we have options. We can trade him or keep one of the very best dual-threat RBs in the entire NFL. And other the some negative press, the cost is extremely low.

It was a brilliant move. I'm just glad we beat the Bears to the punch!

Originally Posted By: Spiritbro77

Originally Posted By: BpG

He’s definitely not a role model. Cannot and will not make any excuses for hitting a woman. He is definitely a piece of crap in that instance, but everyone makes mistakes.

And he is a good player, very good. Probably and likely a little over rated in Andy Reids system but 1yr, 1 mil? Seems like a deal to me.

It's not a mistake to attack a woman, it's a character flaw.

We have no idea how many games he will be suspended for. He could be out all next year... Or at least a good bit of it. I don't like this but it's not a surprise. He better get and keep his **** together. Guess I can't bitch about the Squealers having a sexual predator at QB any longer...

It can be both.

If Ray Rice knocked his girlfriend unconscious and dragged her body around got 3 games. Obviously it was mishandled so lets say that offense gets him 8 games in today's NFL. If we get Hunt for 8 games for 1m dollars and he's an RFA, it's a nice gamble.

Originally Posted By: oobernoober

My second reaction is... why? (the us already having Chubb and Duke issue)

The value is insane. We get a great player for nearly a minimum salary for two years.

Originally Posted By: oobernoober

Hey, Marshawn Lynch was run out of Buffalo for similar stuff, iirc. He ended up turning it around.

Lynch had a hit and run and DUI (separate incidents).

These are the moves good front offices make..i know it seems unexpected here given our history. But Dorsey is shaping up to be the best GM we've ever had

Its just all about adding weapons. We added one of the best young dual threats in league probably top 3 dual threats.

i see we trying to make a superbowl push NOW!

lets go browns!

Originally Posted By: PitDAWG

I'm not sure how many RB's people think will actually get substantial playing time. I could see Duke as a situational WR, but if they plan to use Hunt it would only mean Duke's touches from the RB formation will lessen.

And I'd hate to see that, but in the end, the player that makes us better is the one I want on the field.

Originally Posted By: Swish

i see we trying to make a superbowl push NOW!

lets go browns!

This free agency period is definitely going to be interesting and exciting.

Lynch was also accused of raping at least one and prolly more UNDERAGED girls in Buffalo ...

He had to go ... it was a DIFFERENT TIME in our society ... they HATED him in Buffalo ... as good as he was ... he would have NEVER BEEN accepted there ... EVER ...

And they had Fred Jackson i believe at the time .. they had another real good RB ... i think it was Fred ... he was the exact opposite of Lynch ...

Can you imagine if we are in the playoff hunt and healthy, rested Hunt [intended] comes back for the last 4-6 games?

another mitigating factor, 3 incidents and was never arrested.. Two of them the other party was the aggressor. In fact the one in the nightclub, the guy who called the police ended up being arrested. Not saying striking a woman is right. But after everything thats out, no charges have been pressed and he wasn't arrested. Everyone saying pregnant woman, that was Hill, who choked and punched his preggo GF in the face

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I do have one question - I have seen it mentioned here, as well as on other social media, that this could spell the end of Duke here. Why would Duke be the odd one out? Why would it not be Hilliard or Mays?

Remember last year the talk about town was how are we going to get Hyde, Johnson and Chubb enough carries..

The answer last year was to trade Hyde, expand the roll of Chubb and Johnson.

Johnson is a good player,, very good in fact, but if Hunt is as good as he was prior, we are going to be very solid and Johnson may be the odd man out.

Geez, Johnson, Hunt and Chubb in the backfield... LOL That might be fun to watch..

I'll be fine with this as long as he makes an effort to show how he's trying to improve.

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

another mitigating factor, 3 incidents and was never arrested.. Two of them the other party was the aggressor. In fact the one in the nightclub, the guy who called the police ended up being arrested. Not saying striking a woman is right. But after everything thats out, no charges have been pressed and he wasn't arrested. Everyone saying pregnant woman, that was Hill, who choked and punched his preggo GF in the face

Yep. The dude clearly has a drinking problem that I hope he can fix. Someone will always give you a reason to get angry at them if you're that type of person. To be honest, I kinda give him a pass since the woman used a racial slur.

Another thing to consider. The two teams w/the most interest in Hunt were the Bears and Browns. Nagy was the OC in KC and Dorsey was the GM in KC. I'd say those two guys know about Hunt more than the rest of us.

Originally Posted By: Swish

i see we trying to make a superbowl push NOW!

lets go browns!

Jump on those 30-1 odds while you can!

Man I would not like to be a defensive coordinator going against our offense.

Freddie must be in hog heaven today just contemplating how he will use him.

He is an exceptional cut back runner. He is also a terrific receiver.

We now have an super versatile backfield Chubb, Duke, and Hunt can all catch the ball and run like hell.

Lots of weapons.

Our OL was playing very well toward the end. If Harrison and Robinson come back as improved players. Damn, we will be hard to stop. Play action, trap plays, and screens should be killer. When you roll blocking in one direction and run to cut back lanes Hunt, Chubb and Duke can kill you.

Even with Landry, Callaway, Higgens, and Perriman we threw the ball well adding Duke, Chubb, and Njoku as pass options.

If we add there it will have to be stud to really have an impact.

Dorsey is in the cat bird seat.

Originally Posted By: DiamDawg

Lynch was also accused of raping at least one and prolly more UNDERAGED girls in Buffalo ...

He had to go ... it was a DIFFERENT TIME in our society ... they HATED him in Buffalo ... as good as he was ... he would have NEVER BEEN accepted there ... EVER ...

And they had Fred Jackson i believe at the time .. they had another real good RB ... i think it was Fred ... he was the exact opposite of Lynch ...

That was my recollection as well... although there might not have been any actual charges filed.

I didn't waste my time ready through everybody's replies. This was a good signing by the Browns *Standing ovation for it* Was it right or wrong morally????? That is up to each one of us to hash out. BUT anybody who is against this signing is just.... ummmm not very bright IMO and IMO opinion only.

Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg

Chiefs realizing they were a little premature and probably didn't do their diligence on the situation.

We can debate the morality until we're blue in the face. But from a pure fan standpoint, I think about it like this. If Kareem Hunt is a key reason we win the Super Bowl, will Browns fans put an asterisk next to that victory?

I know I wouldn't.

When players produce their past is quickly forgotten.

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg

Chiefs realizing they were a little premature and probably didn't do their diligence on the situation.

Yeah... that's weird. They cut him just to try to get him back? Seems weird.

Madden 20 just got alot more fun to play as the browns..lol

This is a low risk signing as he costs next to nothing and you control him next year as a RFA. Like others mentioned, it was not surprising that the Browns were in on this based on the Dorsey connection. I'm interested to see what the NFL rules in terms of suspension, because if Kareem comes back and plays like his first couple of years, Chubb might be pushed out of the starting role over time. He was the better running back last year but Chubb was also just a rookie. Who knows, perhaps Chubb continues his upward trajectory but it will be interesting to watch this unfold.

he's really good. we got better and tougher to defend for very cheap

Originally Posted By: Mourgrym

this is what I expect to happen. 10 game suspension, 5 of which will be on 2018. The only reason it is this long is because of the night club punch thrown also.

With no citations issued. I do not expect more than 4 games. He had been investigated and not penalized when the Chiefs cut him.

Originally Posted By: brownsfansince79

Originally Posted By: Punchsmack

Duke must be asking where he fits in all this, but who knows if Kareem sticks.

My thoughts exactly. Hunt's personal stuff aside, he adds real firepower to this team. How does Duke keep his job if Hunt can be on the field?

And will Hunt "play nice" with Chubb as our number 1 back?

There is room for all three. When Hunt can play, I'd expect him and Chubb to get somewhat equal carries.

I don't think we ever really looked at Duke as a back who runs. He is our pass catcher.

Plus, Chubb, Hunt, and Johnson in a wishbone would be pretty awesome.

Good move by Dorsey. Hunt should get a chance. He was going to get signed by someone. I am glad that someone is us.

Not attempting to contact the victim is a problem.

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Not attempting to contact the victim is a problem.

Why? He isn't hiring her.

The business aspects of this signing are all favorable for the team. The competitive advantage it creates on the field and the controlling of his rights into 2020 is genius.

I don't think the offense we saw the second half of '18 will be the same offense we see in '19. Meaning the offense is bound to evolve and Todd Monken's involvement could alter how Duke is used in the offense. I think most presumptions about Duke's role is based on the past Brown's offenses. We won't know for some time how this will impact him.

I said in another thread that I thought Hunt's incident was worse than Jeffery Simmons' so if we can sign Hunt, in my mind it is less troubling to draft Simmons.

We dont need this asshat woman beater.

Boo.

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Not attempting to contact the victim is a problem.

Why? He isn't hiring her.

What would be accomplished by contacting the victim?

Nothing.

We all saw this coming didn't we?

The fact that he's been hanging around his buddies when all 3 incidents happened and he'll be even closer to his buddies now that he's back home isn't the best scenario, but he's got about $40 million reasons to keep a level head for the next couple of years.

He is also a great pass catcher out of the backfield and the chess pieces the Browns now have out of 2 back sets are going to be pretty awesome.

On 3rd and meds/longs now we can line up KH and DJ in a 2 back set and run plays designed for 5 WR's.

I would expect Duke to get plenty of playing time at WR and Chubb to be the bell cow until KH is able to play. When KH gets to play, teams will focus on him, so move him around a bit and take advantage of that.

We can feed a few mouths for a little while, and we'll only have a few mouths for a little while. Let's just make sure we get plenty of trade value from whoever we move on from by not forgetting to put the ball in their hands this season.

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Not attempting to contact the victim is a problem.

Don't agree. Why should he? What's he gonna learn that he didn't already know?

Moving on.... I have zero issues with this. Actually, I'm excited about it.

versatile, I think throwing Adrian Peterson, who spanked his kids, into a group of woman beaters is inappropriate. they are not the same thing at all!

Originally Posted By: keithfromxenia

versatile, I think throwing Adrian Peterson, who spanked his kids, into a group of woman beaters is inappropriate. they are not the same thing at all!

I didn't see the comment. I have seen Vers in support of the move, so, there, there is that.

I would say there is about a 90% favorable rating.

Looks like we have our 2019 Walter Peyton, Man of the Year nominee all sewn up.

ballpeen, I am totally for giving a repentant guy another chance, with a tight leash. another great move by our gm.

Dorsey sure isn't a wall flower, controversy doesn't bother him and ANY player should know, if given a chance to improve the team Dorsey will bring in COMPETITION. Ya thing Kareem comes in hungry, sure means J and C will come in ready for season for sure....Kareem screwed up and will be gone if he screws up again...good move giving him second chance....GO Browns!!!!

Bigger question, can I buy a “KHUNT” jersey now?

Originally Posted By: bonefish

When players produce their past is quickly forgotten.

Especially when,as I'm seeing here,the fans are hypocrites.

Double slot offense.

Originally Posted By: keithfromxenia

versatile, I think throwing Adrian Peterson, who spanked his kids, into a group of woman beaters is inappropriate. they are not the same thing at all!

No kidding. That is why I mentioned his name. What Peterson did was way worse. Beating a child w/a switch and hitting him repeatedly in his private parts is a far bigger crime in my mind and I will not argue w/you anymore about it.

If I am Dorsey, I contact the NFL and petition for a shorter suspension due to the fact that Hunt already lost 5 games from last season due to his incident. I would ask the league to count those 5 games towards his "deserved" punishment. I doubt it works, but I would give it a try.

Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist

Originally Posted By: BrownMoose

Piece of crap, huh? The media didn't influence ur opinion by any chance, did they?

You did see the video where he tossed a woman around, right?

obviously, you didn't see the video.

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If we are going to judge players on all their off field issues,

Florida not a direct reply to you but I'm glad you stated this..I'm just using it to express how I feel about it.Thank you.

I really get tired of all the Holier than thou every time a player gets signed... Must be a lot of people don't have mirrors to look into and face their own judgement.

I just wonder how many players come into a 60,000 plus stadium full of fans and say " I bet there are 100 + fans here that have had domestic violence issues..drug and alcohol issues...sex abuse issues.. theft issues...and here they sit and judge me... They aren't in the spot light so they can come here and no one knows... But hey they pay to see me play..Wish I could have them thrown out of the Stadium for what they did "

I just want to see this team put talent on the field and win a dang Super Bowl. God can do all the judging..Heck I wish he was a Ref..The Browns may have made the Play-offs this season.

Get this team full of talent and players who will wake up feeling Dangerous!!!!

I don't see how this spells the end for Duke Johnson, at least not in 2019. First, we don't know how many games Hunt is going to miss. Second, he is currently only on a 1 year deal, so he would need to be signed to a longer term deal. Third, I suspect before inking another deal they want to see how he does this off season and into the season to see if he earns a longer deal. "IF" he sign him to a long term deal, then at that point I would think Duke would be on the trading block.

Agreed. Hunt will be receiving a suspension. I doubt we get rid of Duke before then.

I do think he lost some favor w/Kitchens as time wore on, but I don't think this signing means we trade him. We might trade him just because of Freddie.........but, that is another story.

I don't think Duke has lost any favor. Well maybe behind the scenes. Like last year he was in Miami when Tyrod was having workouts down there, but Duke wasn't in any of the promo videos. As for on the field, he's primarily been most dangerous as a check down target/ escape valve. The major difference this year opposed to years past, is that Baker would rather chuck the ball down field at the last possible moment opposed to checking it down at the first sign of pressure.

Originally Posted By: DeisleDawg

Quote:

If we are going to judge players on all their off field issues,

Florida not a direct reply to you but I'm glad you stated this..I'm just using it to express how I feel about it.Thank you.

I really get tired of all the Holier than thou every time a player gets signed... Must be a lot of people don't have mirrors to look into and face their own judgement.

I just wonder how many players come into a 60,000 plus stadium full of fans and say " I bet there are 100 + fans here that have had domestic violence issues..drug and alcohol issues...sex abuse issues.. theft issues...and here they sit and judge me... They aren't in the spot light so they can come here and no one knows... But hey they pay to see me play..Wish I could have them thrown out of the Stadium for what they did "

I just want to see this team put talent on the field and win a dang Super Bowl. God can do all the judging..Heck I wish he was a Ref..The Browns may have made the Play-offs this season.

Get this team full of talent and players who will wake up feeling Dangerous!!!!

Yeah... the self-righteousness is a bit much.... I've seen a fan punch some lady at a game in the stands and another in a parking lot at a different game. I've also seen worse.

Players are human too. And sometime their celebrity will either create a situation or put a spot light on them that otherwise would not have gain attention other people/media. I was out with some NFL players when a "fan" tried to attack one of them out of the blue cuz she wasn't given a autograph or his number. We should be concerned about winning and not overreact to every player issue. Yes, Hunt deserves a second chance and I'm glad it is here with the Browns.

Not sure I like it... it if he stays out if trouble and helps us win can we forgive him.... I'd like to read some of our female fans opinions...

That'd be a smart move!

By "out of favor," I mean that Freddie used him less and less as time went by. I didn't mean to insinuate anything other than that.

Wow.. didn’t expect this but after processing it... great move! Minimal downside and tremendous upside. If Hunt is truly a changed man then let’s give him a chance to prove it. People make horrible mistakes and my God embraces them with open arms if they are truly remorseful... we shall see.

No 15 chances though.... step out of line once and give him the boot!

Originally Posted By: jaybird

Not sure I like it... it if he stays out if trouble and helps us win can we forgive him.... I'd like to read some of our female fans opinions...

You know...............this is a very sensitive topic and I want to tread lightly because things often get misconstrued.

I wonder how many of our board members have actually participated in the party scene? The bar scene? Stuff happens when people are drinking heavily. Fights are not uncommon. Insults are prevalent. Emotions run wild. Reason is not a driving force. [censored] happens.

I was a big-time partier and was involved in so many bar fights that I couldn't possibly count them. My daughter likes to party, but I have always cautioned her about which positions where you should or shouldn't put yourself in.

Think about this case. You're at a bar. You go to hotel w/several men. Do you think that will end well if you don't want to get hurt in some way, whether it be emotionally or physically? My advice is to never put yourself in that position. Same goes for the dudes. I get why you wanna hang w/those kind of girls, but don't be surprised if things go wrong.

Understand that this stuff has been going on for centuries. Walking on the Wild Side is fun, but it is also dangerous. Of course, the danger is kind of what makes it fun for millions of people. And it happens thousands and thousands of times each night of each year in almost every locale in the world. It's not shocking, that is for sure.

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

By "out of favor," I mean that Freddie used him less and less as time went by. I didn't mean to insinuate anything other than that.

My bad. It wasn't my intention to insinuate that you thought that. I just wanted to voice my thoughts about the Miami trip last year, Dorsey's comment today, and his declined usage. My bad for using "out of favor" so closely after you.

It's all good.

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Not attempting to contact the victim is a problem.

Why? He isn't hiring her.

If it was me I would want to know about everything possible about what that transpired the night in question. You can't know everything if you don't talk to the victim.

I would have have preferred the team not sign Hunt so I wouldn't have to do the mental gymnastics to try and convince myself to root for him.

What is this "added risk involved with him being from NE Ohio."???

I'm not sure I'm understanding that.

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

What is this "added risk involved with him being from NE Ohio."???

I'm not sure I'm understanding that.

He's from Northeast Ohio and the videoed incident occurred in Northeast Ohio.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000725141/article/what-is-the-reservecommissioner-exempt-list

I see KH is on the Commissioners Exempt list. I went to familiarize myself with this.. this is what I found:

You all remember Josh Brown from the Giants?

What is the Reserve/Commissioner Exempt List?

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NFL.com
Published: Oct. 21, 2016 at 04:26 p.m. Updated: Oct. 21, 2016 at 04:57 p.m.

The NFL placed Josh Brown on the Reserve/Commissioner Exempt List on Friday a day after it reopened its domestic violence investigation into the Giants kicker.

Brown was notified of the move in a letter from Adolpho Birch, NFL's Senior Vice President of Labor Policy and League Affairs. In the letter, Birch goes over some of the guidelines Brown must adhere to under the Commissioner Exempt List.

While on the list, Brown cannot practice or attend games, and is allowed at the Giants' facility for meetings, individual workouts, therapy and rehabilitation and other permitted non-football activities if permitted by the franchise. Brown will continue to receive his normal salary and will be eligible for all the benefits he qualifies for under the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Here's a full description of the Reserve/Commissioner Exempt List directly from the NFL Player Personnel Policy Manual:

The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances. The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit. Only the Commissioner has the authority to place a player on the Exempt List; clubs have no such authority, and no exemption, regardless of circumstances, is automatic. The Commissioner also has the authority to determine in advance whether a player's time on the Exempt List will be finite or will continue until the Commissioner deems the exemption should be lifted and the player returned to the Active List.

It is a touchy subject.

We see the video. That's it. We don't know the whole story.

It is not a matter of condoning any violent actions toward women. It is about being there. Being in situations where crap happens.

The video of Mason sucker punching a girl in a fast food place. I mean he should have been put in jail. Now it is like it never happened.

Hunt now has his second chance.

He is a big add if he hits the field.

Hunt now has a path to follow. I doubt that there will be more issues with him.

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

What is this "added risk involved with him being from NE Ohio."???

I'm not sure I'm understanding that.

He's from Northeast Ohio and the videoed incident occurred in Northeast Ohio.

2/3 of his fights happened in NE Ohio. The other one was at Put In Bay.

lol I just wanna know where the pregnant factor came in!

That girl wasn’t pregnant. She was underaged and was asked to leave and she flipped out. It was hill who punched his pregnant gf

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

That girl wasn’t pregnant. She was underaged and was asked to leave and she flipped out. It was hill who punched his pregnant gf

Ah, Hill. Thanks.
Imagine that, people getting facts confused. Crazy.

I thought that she said that she was pregnant.

It doesn't matter. What he did was wrong.

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

I thought that she said that she was pregnant.

It doesn't matter. What he did was wrong.

As was what she did. She attacked him first

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

I thought that she said that she was pregnant.

It doesn't matter. What he did was wrong.

As was what she did. She attacked him first

Yep. No question.

However, to go kick her after knocking her to the ground was absolutely wrong. I could see if he just shoved her back ...and she fell .... but not to go after her and kick her.

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

I thought that she said that she was pregnant.

It doesn't matter. What he did was wrong.

As was what she did. She attacked him first

Yep. No question.

However, to go kick her after knocking her to the ground was absolutely wrong. I could see if he just shoved her back ...and she fell .... but not to go after her and kick her.

I agree that was a despicable act. Surprised he isn't in jail, let alone in the NFL.

People don't go to jail for something like that.

Had she filed charges he would have been arrested, as might she.

But that isn't going to jail. It's not like he would have gotten 2 years in lockup.

The reason most of this stuff happened in N/E OH is he's from there so probably there the most.
Just like the old ad that said most car accidents are w/in 10 miles of your house...cause...
Even if he had been arrested DA would have probably gone w/ Anger Management classes after pleading it down to a misdemeanor.

Hopefully we now have a PROVEN Premier RB to go w/ our emerging Premier RB.
Win/Win

j/c:

The reason why being from NE Ohio might be a problem is that Hunt is more likely to hang-out w/old friends and acquaintances than he would be in a place like KC. Apparently, that group of people are the sort of people who are not good influences on him.

I'm guessing that staying away from them is one of the stipulations that Dorsey put into the contract.

Colin's issue is more about him not being a good qb, wanting to be a starter, and not worth the drama.

j/c:

I think this is the biggest concern. Coming back to a potential negative environment. Hunt may be only costing the Browns $1M in a deal, but the move could possibly cost the Browns more if they want to hire someone to make sure he doesn't slip.

Don't let him get an apartment at The 9!

He's got a lot of baggage clearly. This is a long shot, but probably worth taking. We view him as a wild card who COULD make this offense even more dynamic

Some may be overreacting to him moving back to Cleveland. Yes, it could be a situation that he begins to hang with his old buddies and it might be a case where some of them may want to take advantage of a kid that has a few bucks in the bank. he's gotta have resources around him that will help him stay straight and narrow. I think that's not a difficult thing for the Browns to provide. His teammates will do that. and if not, you kick him to the curb.

Originally Posted By: Milk Man

Don't let him get an apartment at The 9!

This made me laugh.

"Sigh"

Just when the Browns had a good thing going. We got a young roster with a lot of talent, and one guy (Callaway) that appears to finally be getting over his off the field issues thanks to be around a positive environment and we add this POS in Hunt to our roster....unbelievable.

This guy KICKED a 19 year old girl while she was on the ground after he shoved her down...think about that KICKED a girl while she was on the ground...

I am all about forgiving Hunt, Everyone should have forgave him long ago. BUT forgiving him, and allowing him to play football again are to completely different things.

Kareem Hunt should have been barred from the NFL for life for what he done. Actions must have consequences. Even if you forgive, their must still be consequences.

This will be the move that will cause the Browns to fail. This will be the move that seals Dorsey's ticket out of Cleveland. This will be the move that puts a cancer in the locker room.

We got rid of Josh Gordon because he was problem, but then we bring in an even bigger problem. Say what you want about Gordon, but at least he wasn't violent and beating the stuffing out of women and beating people unconscious at night clubs...Josh Gordon was a choir boy compared to Hunt.

The worst thing about Hunt is not only is he a worthless POS human being, but even his word is worthless...He lied to the Chiefs and Andy Reid. Reid made the right move getting rid of this guy...Dorsey is just biased because he drafted him and brought him in back in KC.

This one move right here has the potential ruin EVERYTHING we got going here. This is the last guy you want Mayfield, Callaway, Ward, and Chubb being in the same room with...this is awful beyond belief.

There is a reason no one else was interested. Even Bellichik(the only guy I think could maybe keep him out of trouble and turn him around) wasn't interested in him...you can't win, coach, or be successful with losers like Hunt...losers breed losing...what a monumental blunder of vast proportions siging this twit...I don't care if we signed him for cupcakes...what he did was worse than what Ray Rice did...

It won't be long before the Women's Rights protests begin...people are ******, and rightfully so...this move is going to cost Haslam some money....this move will NOT sit well with women, and women will begin refusing to buy tickets, merch, and other things because the Browns organization is seen as an organization that supports men who beat and abuse women....Dorsey just proved himself a complete twit.

Has Dorsey ever been known to trade away backup players? I simply do not see a situation where he will be traded. A young guy on a team friendly deal that can help you and hasn't complained? Seems like fan speculation.

Originally Posted By: Knight_Of_Brown

"Sigh"

Just when the Browns had a good thing going. We got a young roster with a lot of talent, and one guy (Callaway) that appears to finally be getting over his off the field issues thanks to be around a positive environment and we add this POS in Hunt to our roster....unbelievable.

This guy KICKED a 19 year old girl while she was on the ground after he shoved her down...think about that KICKED a girl while she was on the ground...

I am all about forgiving Hunt, Everyone should have forgave him long ago. BUT forgiving him, and allowing him to play football again are to completely different things.

Kareem Hunt should have been barred from the NFL for life for what he done. Actions must have consequences. Even if you forgive, their must still be consequences.

this will be the move that will causes the Browns to fail. This will be the move that seas Dorsey's ticket out of Cleveland. This will be the move that puts a cancer in the locker room.

We got rid of Josh Gordon because he was problem, but then we bring in an even bigger problem. Say what you want about Gordon, but atleast he was violent and beating the stuffing out of women and beating people unconscious at night clubs...Josh Gordon was a choir boy compared to Hunt.

the worst thing about Hunt is not only is he a worthless POS human being, but even his word is worthless...He lied to the Chiefs and Andy Reid. Reid made the right move getting rid of this guy...Dorsey is just biased because he drafted him and brought him in.

This one move right here has the potential ruin EVERYTHING we got going here. This is the last guy you want Mayfield, Callaway, Ward, and Chubb being in the same room with...this is awful beyond belief.

There is a reason no one else was interested. Even Bellichik(the only guy i think could maybe keep him out of trouble and turn him around) wasn't interested in him...you can;t win, coach, or be successful with losers like Hunt...losers breed losing...what a monumental blunder of vast proprtions sighing this twit...I don't care if we signed him for cupcakes...what he did was worse than what Ray Rice did...

It won't be long before the Women's Rights protests begin...people are ******, and rightfully so...this move is going to cost Haslam some money....this move will NOT sit well with women, and women will begin refusing to buy tickets, merch, and other things because the Browns organization is seen as an organization that supports men who beat and abuse women....Dorsey just proved himself a complete twit.

Honestly, I don't think there's much accuracy in this post at all... unfortunately the only thing you may have got right was that he kicked a 19 yr old girl.

its already begun

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cle...vocates-n970361

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...m=.f4cf1aac9dc2

Haslam...this is going to cost you BIG TIME

Do the right thing, tell Dorsey to get bent and put Hunt on Waivers now...we don't need him...we can get another back in the draft to backup Chubb...we don't need this cancer in our lockeroom. We don't need this distraction.

Saying Hunt is a bigger problem than Gordon. LOOOOL come on dude yeah right.

Hunt's last past two seasons (and he missed 5 games).
2,100 rushing yards
15TD's

830 receiving yards
10TD's

Josh Gordons last two seasons:
1,000 yards
5TD's

Kareem Hunt had more receiving TD's last season in one fewer games played.

"losers breed losing" yeah all that losing they were doing in Kansas City the past two seasons....

Dorsey is no dummy. He knew the PR hit the team would be taking. If he didn't, then he's an idiot. And I don't think he's an idiot.

I think the team knew this PR hit was coming and is willing to just let it blow over. There will be a lot of outcry for a while, and then something else will happen and it will move on.

I'm not saying it's right. Just saying that's the way it will be.

Want to make it "right" (as if such a thing is possible after committing such an act)? I'd structure his contract that a good chunk of every paycheck goes to a battered women's shelter, or something like that. I know that's probably not practical (or possibly even permitted under the CBA), but if it was, that might help things.

The Browns say hey, he screwed up, he is atoning, and now we're giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to battered women's shelters, or domestic violence advocates, etc.

Again, probably not practical, but just spitballing.

As for the outcry that we signed Hunt and Kapernick is still out there, I won't weigh in on the political part of it except to say there's no reason Kaepernick's name should come up here. We signed a troubled RB, not a troubled QB. Unless people are saying we should have signed Kaepernick as a RB.

I agree .. we knew the ramifications of signing him. Take the PR hit, hope he improves himself, and then move on

Originally Posted By: Knight_Of_Brown

its already begun

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cle...vocates-n970361

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...m=.f4cf1aac9dc2

Haslam...this is going to cost you BIG TIME

Do the right thing, tell Dorsey to get bent and put Hunt on Waivers now...we don't need him...we can get another back in the draft to backup Chubb...we don't need this cancer in our lockeroom. We don't need this distraction.

This would have worked, if these two sets of groups hadn't spent the past few years crying about literally everything. This noise falls on deaf ears anymore, I'd be surprised if literally any NFL GM cared much less even read this type of garbage.

It is easy to be judgemental when you do not know all the facts.

Nobody will condone what was on film. At he same time he has not been prosecuted. It was bad thing to do - period. There is no justification for his action.

two wrongs do not a right. But by comparison to Mixon. Not even close.

In addition there were other teams willing to sign Hunt. there is no way he was not signing with someone. The Chiefs were interested.

It's not like Dorsey has not looked into this.

If there is honest remorse. And a willingness to be a better man. And take the steps to do so. There is no reason he should not get a second chance.

Again he has not been charged.

He's a 23 year old high end player on a 1MM contract. There is virtually no downside. He acts up, he gets cut and they show they will enforce "zero tolerance" and it sets the tone for any player dubbed "zero tolerance". He doesn't and we got an all pro type player in his prime on a rental contract we can resign or trade.

I think what Hunt did was wrong and cowardly but the level that it has been overblown is inconceivable. Folks act like he drew back and kicked her like he was kicking from the 50 yard line ( as hard as he could) when in actuality the video show him pretty much knocking her over with his foot. Not that that is a good thing but he was obviously not trying to hurt her at that point. Also when she hit the ground he actually pushed the guy who fell into her. Again not good, but if the story is going to be told at least it should be told in complete truth. Anyone lumping him in with Mixon or Rice is delusional.

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

Umm .... definitely a RB upgrade over anyone on our roster except for Nick Chubb. However, he also appears to be a real piece of crap as a human being.

I hope that Dorsey knows what he's doing in this case. He's definitely huge talent though. I have to admit that my mind goes crazy thinking about 3 WR along with Chubb and Hunt .........

We'll see.

1. Dorsey is one of the few GMs who has seriously studied on who to take a 2nd chance on. He has a pretty good history and sort of made it into a science on what to look for.
Piece of Crap??? Again action was a piece of crap, him as a Human being you got to know him personally to make that assumption not just reading about him.

In our favor - Dorsey has vetted him once before.

Right now we have to see this as a MAJOR UPGRADE on Hilliard.

Dorsey has made it clear Hunt will have to EARN his way onto establishing himself on the team.

I can see that 3 RB look now, Chub with Duke and Hunt. hehehe...can we have a little fun with that especially with all 3 actually good pass catchers...2 of which are outstanding pass catchers. I got a feeling we are going to see a lot of that formation and it will drive teams crazy!

In basic O does this finally bring Duke officially to the WR reps? Interesting to see if he will be in both Positional Rooms.

Chubb should be the man though. Hunt can be a great change of pace. Although his straightline 40 speed is very close to that of Duke's. But for some reason in full pads on the field of play Hunt looks a lot faster/quicker than Duke. He actually looks like a 4.38-4.42 type of guy. Was shocked to read his Pro Day/Combine 40 times.

I think he is a much better choice than Deveon Bell. Much much cheaper.

This is a Win Win scenario. His leash will be short. I think our vetting of Calloway has been met with good results, so far. The kid is young and can mature. As Dorsey has mentioned he has sought out serious help for his character flaw, not a court invoked ONE DAY in rehab type of think experienced by Gordon.

Dorsey Knows him personally, Dorsey has followed his actions since his waive from the Chiefs. Dorsey has experience in vetting these young men, I consider him the King of 2nd chances.

I think we have a good environment established here in Cleveland. I think he is very close to his Home and this 2nd time around will find him a little more cautious in where he spends his time and who he surrounds himself with.

As long as he and Calloway don't become best buds...lol

Hopefully he will hand more with Chubb!

Honestly, every since Hunt got cut. I have thought that there was a good chance he would become a Brown.

Btw there was a better defense brought against Hunt in year 2 which is understandable. I've read a lot of Chief propaganda, yada yada about how they didn't miss a beat losing Hunt.
Of course less without him but would state how close it was so he wasn't missed.

For me here was an important fact/stat in 2018.

Passing yards per attempt with Hunt: 9.07
Passing yards per attempt w/o Hunt: 7.88

That is not a small amount. Its about how the Defenses changed as they didn't want Hunt to beat them...when he left their D plan was to seriously not let Maholm beat them. So the stats of the RBs who took over was not far from Hunts but the defenses weren't as concerned about them and put their attentions soley on Maholm.

JMHO
another good move by Dorsey. Not a need but doesn't hurt the team one bit and can only be a good thing. One wrong turn doesn't hurt us just a roster spot taken for a while - hopefully we could pick up another Hilliard type or Hilliard himself assuming he is release and if we lose Hunt would be nice to get him back.

Where do you get the idea that no one else wanted Hunt? I will say that I believe a lot of teams would have signed hunt.
I also contend that it is worth a million of Haslam's money just to keep him off of another teams roster.

Originally Posted By: Knight_Of_Brown

"Sigh"

Just when the Browns had a good thing going. We got a young roster with a lot of talent, and one guy (Callaway) that appears to finally be getting over his off the field issues thanks to be around a positive environment and we add this POS in Hunt to our roster....unbelievable.

This guy KICKED a 19 year old girl while she was on the ground after he shoved her down...think about that KICKED a girl while she was on the ground...

I am all about forgiving Hunt, Everyone should have forgave him long ago. BUT forgiving him, and allowing him to play football again are to completely different things.

Kareem Hunt should have been barred from the NFL for life for what he done. Actions must have consequences. Even if you forgive, their must still be consequences.

This will be the move that will cause the Browns to fail. This will be the move that seals Dorsey's ticket out of Cleveland. This will be the move that puts a cancer in the locker room.

We got rid of Josh Gordon because he was problem, but then we bring in an even bigger problem. Say what you want about Gordon, but at least he wasn't violent and beating the stuffing out of women and beating people unconscious at night clubs...Josh Gordon was a choir boy compared to Hunt.

The worst thing about Hunt is not only is he a worthless POS human being, but even his word is worthless...He lied to the Chiefs and Andy Reid. Reid made the right move getting rid of this guy...Dorsey is just biased because he drafted him and brought him in back in KC.

This one move right here has the potential ruin EVERYTHING we got going here. This is the last guy you want Mayfield, Callaway, Ward, and Chubb being in the same room with...this is awful beyond belief.

There is a reason no one else was interested. Even Bellichik(the only guy I think could maybe keep him out of trouble and turn him around) wasn't interested in him...you can't win, coach, or be successful with losers like Hunt...losers breed losing...what a monumental blunder of vast proportions siging this twit...I don't care if we signed him for cupcakes...what he did was worse than what Ray Rice did...

It won't be long before the Women's Rights protests begin...people are ******, and rightfully so...this move is going to cost Haslam some money....this move will NOT sit well with women, and women will begin refusing to buy tickets, merch, and other things because the Browns organization is seen as an organization that supports men who beat and abuse women....Dorsey just proved himself a complete twit.

Dude, Please.

Funny how Kansas City was one of 2 others interested in Signing him.

YEAH. The same KC that released him. Hmmmmm.

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Just when the Browns had a good thing going. We got a young roster with a lot of talent, and one guy (Callaway) that appears to finally be getting over his off the field issues thanks to be around a positive environment and we add this POS in Hunt to our roster....unbelievable.

So Callaway can turn his life around, but Hunt cannot. Do you have that stance on what information? Please share. I would like to know the thousands of dollars you have used to investigate this kid, that I would be the Browns have.

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This guy KICKED a 19 year old girl while she was on the ground after he shoved her down...think about that KICKED a girl while she was on the ground...

So I am going to go on a limb and say you didn't watch the video. Because if you did, you would actually notice that the PUSH was worse than the kick. He barely touched her with his foot. Not making an excuse, he should have not done either - and it has cost him millions of dollars already. But lets keep the facts straight. He was on video, yet he wasn't charged. The push was more "flagrant" than the supposed kick.

I don't know why her age matters, shouldn't matter if she was 19 or 49, he should not have shoved her. But he's 23. They would have attended HS at the same time. Age has not bearing on this incident other than to try to pull heartstrings over facts.

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I am all about forgiving Hunt, Everyone should have forgave him long ago. BUT forgiving him, and allowing him to play football again are to completely different things.

This is the scenario we find ourselves debating right now as a society. But at what point, does the crime fit the punishment. He's been cut, and will be suspended most likely. He will have lost millions of dollars. At what point should he not be allowed to make a living? The NFL is a job. McDonalds is a job. So if a person hit a women, they should never be allowed to work again? Then what, the tax payers pay for them the rest of their lives?

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This will be the move that will cause the Browns to fail. This will be the move that seals Dorsey's ticket out of Cleveland. This will be the move that puts a cancer in the locker room.

Yeah, your just plain wrong. lol

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We got rid of Josh Gordon because he was problem, but then we bring in an even bigger problem. Say what you want about Gordon, but at least he wasn't violent and beating the stuffing out of women and beating people unconscious at night clubs...Josh Gordon was a choir boy compared to Hunt.

Once again, you do not know the situation you are talking about, and this statement proves it. You do realize Gordon admitted to robbing people with a gun right? He admitted to being in gangs? I suggest you do some research before stating FALSE information.

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The worst thing about Hunt is not only is he a worthless POS human being, but even his word is worthless...He lied to the Chiefs and Andy Reid. Reid made the right move getting rid of this guy...Dorsey is just biased because he drafted him and brought him in back in KC.

Once again, you are out of your element. There was a story TODAY that KC was trying to get RESIGN Hunt lol. Doesn't sound like ol' Andy cared too much.

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This one move right here has the potential ruin EVERYTHING we got going here. This is the last guy you want Mayfield, Callaway, Ward, and Chubb being in the same room with...this is awful beyond belief.

Once again, you prove you have no idea about the people you are talking about. If you THINK for ONE SINGLE SECOND that Baker is the type of person that that someone is going to affect him, or have influence on him - you have not been watching this kid or listening to how he conducts himself. I would again suggest doing a little bit of research on the topic.

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It won't be long before the Women's Rights protests begin...people are ******, and rightfully so...this move is going to cost Haslam some money....this move will NOT sit well with women, and women will begin refusing to buy tickets, merch, and other things because the Browns organization is seen as an organization that supports men who beat and abuse women....Dorsey just proved himself a complete twit.

Nah. Baltimore sells out after Ray Rice. Cincy had no issues after they drafted Mixon. How may times have we seen DA players come back, the team wins, and no one cares.

Itll be a non the week after he plays.

I would say good post, but I am sorry, I cannot. There was not a single thing here that any substance of any factual information, or anything even remotely to what actually happened, or the situation that is going on.

I think we have a good environment established here in Cleveland. I think he is very close to his Home and this 2nd time around will find him a little more cautious in where he spends his time and who he surrounds himself with.

I see his infraction was committed in Cleveland...lol

so not so sure on that environment thing

LOL Can't yell about Baker anymore so you have to find something new to overreact to... LOL You so damn funny

The guy is just looking for attention. Don't pay attention to posts like this from him.

Originally Posted By: Milk Man

Don't let him get an apartment at The 9!

This seems almost cruel. What's the point of being rich in Cleveland if you can't live at the 9?

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

The guy is just looking for attention. Don't pay attention to posts like this from him.

LOL,, Yeah, I know,, But I wanted to have fun at his expense..

Imagine if he ended up in Pittsburgh or Baltimore instead.

Might be bad having him on our team if your one to hold his past against him, possibly worse if we had to face him 2x a year for the next few years

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

The guy is just looking for attention. Don't pay attention to posts like this from him.

LOL,, Yeah, I know,, But I wanted to have fun at his expense..

He's probably just paying with a stolen credit card anyway.

Honestly the thought that women's groups would care so much that they would protest a Browns game is pretty hysterical.

Originally Posted By: Tulsa

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

The guy is just looking for attention. Don't pay attention to posts like this from him.

LOL,, Yeah, I know,, But I wanted to have fun at his expense..

He's probably just paying with a stolen credit card anyway.

LOL

Hey,, just a dumb question, it's been reported that Hunt stands to get a 6 game suspension. If, and I still think it's a big "IF", he doesn't do something stupid so we don't keep him, Does he get paid for those 6 games and does that come out of the $1 million contract? Just wondering how that works

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: Tulsa

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

The guy is just looking for attention. Don't pay attention to posts like this from him.

LOL,, Yeah, I know,, But I wanted to have fun at his expense..

He's probably just paying with a stolen credit card anyway.

LOL

Hey,, just a dumb question, it's been reported that Hunt stands to get a 6 game suspension. If, and I still think it's a big "IF", he doesn't do something stupid so we don't keep him, Does he get paid for those 6 games and does that come out of the $1 million contract? Just wondering how that works

I maybe wrong, but I was under the impression it would go against the cap, but hes not paid. I am not confirming that though.

From every account that I can remember, after any bonuses paid, the remainder of your contract is split into 16 equal game checks. You are only eligable to be paid if you are available to the team. Meaning you lose the game checks that correspond with a supsension.

ie.... If you're suspended for six games you lose three eighths of your salary.

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: Tulsa

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

The guy is just looking for attention. Don't pay attention to posts like this from him.

LOL,, Yeah, I know,, But I wanted to have fun at his expense..

He's probably just paying with a stolen credit card anyway.

LOL

Hey,, just a dumb question, it's been reported that Hunt stands to get a 6 game suspension. If, and I still think it's a big "IF", he doesn't do something stupid so we don't keep him, Does he get paid for those 6 games and does that come out of the $1 million contract? Just wondering how that works

I maybe wrong, but I was under the impression it would go against the cap, but hes not paid. I am not confirming that though.

Seems odd doesn't it, something hits the CAP that you don't have to pay out? I don't know about that Willi.. seems odd.. But maybe that's the way it works..

Anyway, It doesn't actually mean much either way.. $1 million in NFL terms just isn't a lot of money and not really much of a risk at all..

People forget we're not paying anyone on the roster to be a role model. Chuck said it best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqk4WPnrpM

Does this mean we will win the Super Bowl next season? The last time we won we had a woman beater at RB.

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: Tulsa

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

The guy is just looking for attention. Don't pay attention to posts like this from him.

LOL,, Yeah, I know,, But I wanted to have fun at his expense..

He's probably just paying with a stolen credit card anyway.

LOL

Hey,, just a dumb question, it's been reported that Hunt stands to get a 6 game suspension. If, and I still think it's a big "IF", he doesn't do something stupid so we don't keep him, Does he get paid for those 6 games and does that come out of the $1 million contract? Just wondering how that works

I maybe wrong, but I was under the impression it would go against the cap, but hes not paid. I am not confirming that though.

Seems odd doesn't it, something hits the CAP that you don't have to pay out? I don't know about that Willi.. seems odd.. But maybe that's the way it works..

Anyway, It doesn't actually mean much either way.. $1 million in NFL terms just isn't a lot of money and not really much of a risk at all..

Question/comment...

Right now he's on the exempt list, which means he doesn't count against anyone's cap.? (Right?)
When he gets suspended, he comes off the exempt list, and then does count against the cap?

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: Tulsa

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

The guy is just looking for attention. Don't pay attention to posts like this from him.

LOL,, Yeah, I know,, But I wanted to have fun at his expense..

He's probably just paying with a stolen credit card anyway.

LOL

Hey,, just a dumb question, it's been reported that Hunt stands to get a 6 game suspension. If, and I still think it's a big "IF", he doesn't do something stupid so we don't keep him, Does he get paid for those 6 games and does that come out of the $1 million contract? Just wondering how that works

I maybe wrong, but I was under the impression it would go against the cap, but hes not paid. I am not confirming that though.

Seems odd doesn't it, something hits the CAP that you don't have to pay out? I don't know about that Willi.. seems odd.. But maybe that's the way it works..

Anyway, It doesn't actually mean much either way.. $1 million in NFL terms just isn't a lot of money and not really much of a risk at all..

Not really, there is dead cap money after you trade player sometimes.

It would be another way to ensure that teams are doing their best to keep these players accountable. Heck, if its not, I think should be that way! lol

Originally Posted By: PitDAWG

From every account that I can remember, after any bonuses paid, the remainder of your contract is split into 16 equal game checks. You are only eligable to be paid if you are available to the team. Meaning you lose the game checks that correspond with a supsension.

ie.... If you're suspended for six games you lose three eighths of your salary.

Wouldn't it depend on the contract status, if it's fully guaranteed money, shouldn't he receive it all?

The only fully guaranteed part of a contract comes in the form of bonuses. Signing bonuses and such. I covered that in my above post.

Originally Posted By: Knight_Of_Brown

"Sigh"

Just when the Browns had a good thing going. We got a young roster with a lot of talent, and one guy (Callaway) that appears to finally be getting over his off the field issues thanks to be around a positive environment and we add this POS in Hunt to our roster....unbelievable.

This guy KICKED a 19 year old girl while she was on the ground after he shoved her down...think about that KICKED a girl while she was on the ground...

I am all about forgiving Hunt, Everyone should have forgave him long ago. BUT forgiving him, and allowing him to play football again are to completely different things.

Kareem Hunt should have been barred from the NFL for life for what he done. Actions must have consequences. Even if you forgive, their must still be consequences.

This will be the move that will cause the Browns to fail. This will be the move that seals Dorsey's ticket out of Cleveland. This will be the move that puts a cancer in the locker room.

We got rid of Josh Gordon because he was problem, but then we bring in an even bigger problem. Say what you want about Gordon, but at least he wasn't violent and beating the stuffing out of women and beating people unconscious at night clubs...Josh Gordon was a choir boy compared to Hunt.

The worst thing about Hunt is not only is he a worthless POS human being, but even his word is worthless...He lied to the Chiefs and Andy Reid. Reid made the right move getting rid of this guy...Dorsey is just biased because he drafted him and brought him in back in KC.

This one move right here has the potential ruin EVERYTHING we got going here. This is the last guy you want Mayfield, Callaway, Ward, and Chubb being in the same room with...this is awful beyond belief.

There is a reason no one else was interested. Even Bellichik(the only guy I think could maybe keep him out of trouble and turn him around) wasn't interested in him...you can't win, coach, or be successful with losers like Hunt...losers breed losing...what a monumental blunder of vast proportions siging this twit...I don't care if we signed him for cupcakes...what he did was worse than what Ray Rice did...

It won't be long before the Women's Rights protests begin...people are ******, and rightfully so...this move is going to cost Haslam some money....this move will NOT sit well with women, and women will begin refusing to buy tickets, merch, and other things because the Browns organization is seen as an organization that supports men who beat and abuse women....Dorsey just proved himself a complete twit.

exaggerate much ?

looks like to me the type of move you make to put you over the top.
right now we are a 11 team

Originally Posted By: jacksondawg

looks like to me the type of move you make to put you over the top.
right now we are a 11 team

That's great but 2 of the 5 losses will be to the Steelers...

Really?

Got it, Thanks

Man, I've not seen this much outrage over a signing. At least not by us...

On Facebook, someone posted a picture of Kapernick saying he isn't playing, but Hunt is signed.

I guess they have a point, Kap didn't break any laws are commit any crimes and he's pretty much blackballed. Hunt is under contract after kicking a girl...

When you think of it in those terms, it sounds odd.

That leads me to a question, what about Kap as our replacement for Taylor?

Why?

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

That leads me to a question, what about Kap as our replacement for Taylor?

Two questions for you:

1. When was the last time Kap played in the league?

2. When was the last time he was good?

I seem to recall that he has had a chance to come back into the league as a backup, and has declined.

I read that he wants to sign with theh Redskins, who happen to have a starter opening, but they want someone with a skill set similar to Smith.

Speaking of the Redskins. I heard something that really set wheels spinning in my head.

Supposedly Kingsbury doesn't really want Rosen, because he's not the mobile QB he wants. What is they trade Rosen to DC, and then grab their choice of QB at #1?

I'm actually impressed it too this long to mention Kapernick. Considering that every 3rd tweet I saw about Kareem Hunt mentioned him.

Tip of my cap to you all.

Originally Posted By: CapCity Dawg

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

That leads me to a question, what about Kap as our replacement for Taylor?

Two questions for you:

1. When was the last time Kap played in the league?

2. When was the last time he was good?

2016 for the 49ers and probably the last time he played good was in the Superbowl,,, or at least that year..

But in digging up that information, I found he's 31 years old... SO Never Mind

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Got it, Thanks

Man, I've not seen this much outrage over a signing. At least not by us...

On Facebook, someone posted a picture of Kapernick saying he isn't playing, but Hunt is signed.

I guess they have a point, Kap didn't break any laws are commit any crimes and he's pretty much blackballed. Hunt is under contract after kicking a girl...

When you think of it in those terms, it sounds odd.

That leads me to a question, what about Kap as our replacement for Taylor?

I think if Kap was as talented as say.....Pat Mahommes, he would have a job.

People forget that Kap sucks. lol

Watch the video of Hunt, he didn't kick anyone, he pushed her with his foot. The initial shove was worse than the "kick". The entire situation is overblown a bit if you ask me.

Does he deserve to be suspended - yes.

8 games - nope

Your comparing apples to oranges with Kap. Hunt is a probowl bowl player. Kap is a qb that once threw 2 completions in an entire half his last year he played. Ill give you a hint, they didn't only throw the ball 3 times.

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Got it, Thanks

Man, I've not seen this much outrage over a signing. At least not by us...

On Facebook, someone posted a picture of Kapernick saying he isn't playing, but Hunt is signed.

I guess they have a point, Kap didn't break any laws are commit any crimes and he's pretty much blackballed. Hunt is under contract after kicking a girl...

When you think of it in those terms, it sounds odd.

That leads me to a question, what about Kap as our replacement for Taylor?

I think if Kap was as talented as say.....Pat Mahommes, he would have a job.

People forget that Kap sucks. lol

Watch the video of Hunt, he didn't kick anyone, he pushed her with his foot. The initial shove was worse than the "kick". The entire situation is overblown a bit if you ask me.

Does he deserve to be suspended - yes.

8 games - nope

Your comparing apples to oranges with Kap. Hunt is a probowl bowl player. Kap is a qb that once threw 2 completions in an entire half his last year he played. Ill give you a hint, they didn't only throw the ball 3 times.

I actually never saw the video of the incident, I'll go check on it. I was just going by what I've read in reports.. But I guess they are talking about 6 games, not 8 games for a suspension.

Either way, I remember (because I'm not a 49er fan so I didn't pay attention) him playing pretty well when Harbaugh was coach. So I'm clearly out of touch with his skills or lack thereof.

Remember, all I did was ask a question, Just a QUESTION...

Originally Posted By: CapCity Dawg

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

That leads me to a question, what about Kap as our replacement for Taylor?

Two questions for you:

1. When was the last time Kap played in the league? 2016

2. When was the last time he was good? 2013

im just answering it man, no hard feelings. Im not coming at you.

I never thought outside of a cannon of an arm that Kap was a good QB. He was in a GREAT system, with a GREAT if not DOMINATE defense that his poor play was made up for.

My thoughts on Kap have nothing to do with the kneeling, and everything to do with the fact that if he had talent he would still be playing. Risk / Reward. Kap is a risk (PR wise) no one can deny that. But if the Reward (his being a good QB) was worth that, he would have a team. And he has been offered opportunities that he has turned down.

But yea, watch the video of Hunt, its not nearly as egregious as the media or some fans are making it. I am completely against any violence on women, and he deserves to be punished. But by no means should he be punished in any of the light that Mixon was - because the two cases are not even comparable.

FYI, I watched the Hunt Video,,,I gotta tell you, the kid made a dumb move, but it's in no way a Ray Rice Moment.. No way, no how. Dumb yes, enough to kick him out of the league, I don't think it rises to that level at all..

I'm feeling better and better..

Oh, and I'm not offended... Sometimes when questions are asked as you did, it can come across poorly, I don't think you meant it that way, but I was making sure you knew, I was just asking. Not promoting Kap, Just askin

If Kap really wanted to play, the AAF had a spot for him reserved. Probably just wants to whine and moan, poor poor thing.

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

FYI, I watched the Hunt Video,,,I gotta tell you, the kid made a dumb move, but it's in no way a Ray Rice Moment.. No way, no how. Dumb yes, enough to kick him out of the league, I don't think it rises to that level at all..

I'm feeling better and better..

Oh, and I'm not offended... Sometimes when questions are asked as you did, it can come across poorly, I don't think you meant it that way, but I was making sure you knew, I was just asking. Not promoting Kap, Just askin

No worries!

Its a touchy subject. Political, football, PR wise, anyway you cut it - with Kap there are a lot of angles people take on him. I am one of the few that I could care less if a player kneels, but I truly believe with 1000% of my heart and head, if he could play at a high level, he would be on a squad.

Glad you watched the video of Hunt. I will admit, there is a thread on here when it happened, I had the same comments. "throw him out! hes a POS!" "no excuse"

Now, I still believe there is not excuse for what he did. he shouldn't have done it, but in no way shape or form did he HIT that girl. He shoved her. He didn't HIT her. he should not have shoved her, at all! 4 games I think is fair punishment.

anything over that, and I think they are just trying to use him as an example. Because Rice and Mixon flat out leveled a girl and basically nothing.

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

FYI, I watched the Hunt Video,,,I gotta tell you, the kid made a dumb move, but it's in no way a Ray Rice Moment.. No way, no how. Dumb yes, enough to kick him out of the league, I don't think it rises to that level at all..

I'm feeling better and better..

Oh, and I'm not offended... Sometimes when questions are asked as you did, it can come across poorly, I don't think you meant it that way, but I was making sure you knew, I was just asking. Not promoting Kap, Just askin

No worries!

Its a touchy subject. Political, football, PR wise, anyway you cut it - with Kap there are a lot of angles people take on him. I am one of the few that I could care less if a player kneels, but I truly believe with 1000% of my heart and head, if he could play at a high level, he would be on a squad.

Glad you watched the video of Hunt. I will admit, there is a thread on here when it happened, I had the same comments. "throw him out! hes a POS!" "no excuse"

Now, I still believe there is not excuse for what he did. he shouldn't have done it, but in no way shape or form did he HIT that girl. He shoved her. He didn't HIT her. he should not have shoved her, at all! 4 games I think is fair punishment.

anything over that, and I think they are just trying to use him as an example. Because Rice and Mixon flat out leveled a girl and basically nothing.

Ahhh, how nice is it to agree LOL

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

FYI, I watched the Hunt Video,,,I gotta tell you, the kid made a dumb move, but it's in no way a Ray Rice Moment.. No way, no how. Dumb yes, enough to kick him out of the league, I don't think it rises to that level at all..

I'm feeling better and better..

Oh, and I'm not offended... Sometimes when questions are asked as you did, it can come across poorly, I don't think you meant it that way, but I was making sure you knew, I was just asking. Not promoting Kap, Just askin

No worries!

Its a touchy subject. Political, football, PR wise, anyway you cut it - with Kap there are a lot of angles people take on him. I am one of the few that I could care less if a player kneels, but I truly believe with 1000% of my heart and head, if he could play at a high level, he would be on a squad.

Glad you watched the video of Hunt. I will admit, there is a thread on here when it happened, I had the same comments. "throw him out! hes a POS!" "no excuse"

Now, I still believe there is not excuse for what he did. he shouldn't have done it, but in no way shape or form did he HIT that girl. He shoved her. He didn't HIT her. he should not have shoved her, at all! 4 games I think is fair punishment.

anything over that, and I think they are just trying to use him as an example. Because Rice and Mixon flat out leveled a girl and basically nothing.

Ahhh, how nice is it to agree LOL

Yeah you might wan to save this for a xmas card or something lol.

Wow. What a dynamic player to add to your roster. Probably Top 5 in the "Electric" category. These are the kind of calculated moves that turn franchises into championship contenders. Not necessarily because Hunt takes us to the promise land, because this is the dictionary definition of HUGE upside, very little downside. Incredible signing by Dorsey, as crazy as it sounds... regardless of Hunt's contribution. Do the math, weren't we just applauded for paying $16 mil for a second round pick with Osweiler? This one cost us way less than 1 mil.

Upside:
One of the most dynamic players in the league.
One year lease before you define ongoing relationship, with a great ROI if you decide to part ways.
Fits our scheme almost perfectly.
Takes some of the grind off Chubb and makes trying to analyze our offense a constant guessing game.
Is back with the man who drafted him and may fit the bill of "mentor" to him.

Downside:
Locker room cancer?

I say absolutely no way. First, he won't be the new guy in camp upsetting the apple cart, he will be a complementary piece coming along as we brace for a playoff run. Second, he's not typecast as a problem player, a diva, or a locker room problem. Just a dude that made a couple of terrible decisions. Call me crazy but OBJ rates much higher on the possible "bad chemistry" scale than Hunt.

Constant off the field problem?

Good chance. This is where the the real test is, and how continuous exercises in "bad judgment" can affect the team. It goes to the "can't take the street out of the kid" discussion. Some people just never learn to keep themselves out of questionable circumstances, never cut ties with "the wrong crowd", etc... Now we have put him even closer to the people that he should have been trying to avoid in the first place. We'll see what happens, but AGAIN, we're not tying our hopes, dreams and salary cap to a long term relationship. We hope he screws his head on straight, We hope he doesn't have a substance abuse problem, We hope he avoids the relationships that keep putting him in these situations... but we don't need to hitch our wagon to all of these things coming to pass because we truly have nothing to lose.

Lastly, I've said it before in a couple discussions and I feel now it is inevitable. Duke Johnson's days in the brown and orange are numbered. Three years of flashes but never showing this team, in it's many changing variables, that he is a vital cog to the future. I can't put a finger on why, but I'm pretty sure the experiment is over. If he's still here in week 1, he'll get showcased early in the season and traded to someone still salivating over the "upside". There is just not enough there that you can't get from other places to justify the price tag or need to constantly "try to get him touches". I love him as much as the next fan, but I'm prepared for the inevitable. With Chubb, Hunt, a great slot receiver and a very formidable WR corps, Duke is becoming a square peg. There are a lot of other teams where the fit would be better.

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

I think this potentially signals the end of Duke Johnson in CLE.

These are the kinds of posts I least like to read on Dawgtalkers.

It happens every time the team gets somebody who potentially would be good.

Why the "heck" wouldn't the team be best to have both players on the team?

But somebody always assumes the team can't improve but must cut somebody because they signed somebody.

Duke wasn't even the worst RB on the team last year, the Rb on the team, who was there the vast majority of the Reg season, and provided the least impact was Hilliard.

But somebody, (not always any one in particular) always wants to post about kicking a contributor off the Browns, and makes the post prematurely.

Stop cutting veteran players. And why would anyone wish for it?

Originally Posted By: Tulsa

Originally Posted By: PitDAWG

From every account that I can remember, after any bonuses paid, the remainder of your contract is split into 16 equal game checks. You are only eligable to be paid if you are available to the team. Meaning you lose the game checks that correspond with a supsension.

ie.... If you're suspended for six games you lose three eighths of your salary.

Wouldn't it depend on the contract status, if it's fully guaranteed money, shouldn't he receive it all?

No, unless the Browns legal team is stupid ( they aren't). All contracts would have a clause pertaining to suspensions and obligations to fulfill the contract terms. In other words, a player can't sign the contract, then retire and still collect a signing bonus. We saw that today where Kyler Murray had to pay back a large portion of the bonus he received from the A's since he is giving up baseball.

Not having that protection would be similar to if the team could stop paying a injured player.

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

FYI, I watched the Hunt Video,,,I gotta tell you, the kid made a dumb move, but it's in no way a Ray Rice Moment.. No way, no how. Dumb yes, enough to kick him out of the league, I don't think it rises to that level at all..

I'm feeling better and better..

Oh, and I'm not offended... Sometimes when questions are asked as you did, it can come across poorly, I don't think you meant it that way, but I was making sure you knew, I was just asking. Not promoting Kap, Just askin

I said similar when it happened. That didn't go over well at the time. It didn't look like any kind of a hard kick. It was like a bump in the rump saying, get out of here.

You can't see what happened behind closed doors, but in the hall the woman was clearly the one slapping, scratching, whatever. Men shouldn't have to stand there and take it no matter what. At some point it needs to end.

Originally Posted By: FATE

It goes to the "can't take the street out of the kid"

Take the street out of the kid??? He grew up in Willoughby for cripes sake....not Compton.....LOL

I agree with everything else...every indication is he is a great lockeroom guy...

I agree with others that say this is being overblown. For a while there I was wondering if I missed seeing the video or I saw the wrong video...Bad move on his part??? yes... punishment needed??? definitely... Crucifixion??? A bit harsh.

I see this as a BIG win for the Browns. If the kid can keep his nose clean that is. I mean the Chiefs were looking to resign him. The Bears as well...KC was a different team without him...it took them a while to adjust.

We beat them to the punch and it is a low risk/high reward situation. As long as he keeps out of trouble...

LOL. Okay, bad terminology. Wasn't really talking about where he's from geographically as much as referencing "old habits die hard".

Carry on.

The gangs of Willoughby. lol

Yea they are tough lol.

I needed to let this set in for a day because at first I was like WTH, why? Now I am really liking this move. There is very little risk involved at all, and if Kareem stays true to his word that he is sorry, we got a great player that can help our teams in a lot ways.

Great move John!!

Get rid of this douche. Its not like he made 1 mistake. He did this three times.

I predict he will not last a year. He will be in jail for assault by then.

And the people making excuses him kicking a woman on the ground are disgusting.

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Get rid of this douche. Its not like he made 1 mistake. He did this three times.

I predict he will not last a year. He will be in jail for assault by then.

And the people making excuses him kicking a woman on the ground are disgusting.

Cool. I understand your viewpoint. I don't like what happened. I really don't.

I also don't like that some women think they can punch at a man and not expect retaliation. That is in a guys DNA. Women want to act like men and start a fight....there ya go.

I have never hit a woman...I did hit a girl when I was maybe 5-6. This girl down the street walked up to me and started biting me hard enough in the arm to draw blood. I hit her in the ear. She ran off screaming for her Mom and I went screaming to my Mom.

In your world I should have allowed her to bite me all she wanted? Of course not...I don't think you do.

In the adult world and not kid stuff, I didn't hang around women who were going to start punching me if they didn't get their way......no draw for me.

Ladies and Gentlemen...that was the way I looked at it. Both need to act the part.

Maybe its good news that Hunt's father is probably going to jail for selling crack cocaine in Elyria.

https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2019/01/...-in-elyria.html

Kareem Hunt Sr, 47, has been arrested 35 times, multiple times for domestic abuse. He also has 9 felony convictions for drug offenses for which he spent 9 years in jail. Link below also mentions his cousin, Rashan Hunt, who was sentenced to 23 years for voluntary manslaughter.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf...ory/2289525002/

It can only be a good thing for the younger Hunt for his father to be out of the picture during his tenure with the Browns, but its also easy to see why some people think the worst thing for Hunt is to return to Cleveland where he'll be immersed in his apparently troubled family issues every day.

j/c:

It's not a big deal, but it is rather irksome when people go on and w/questions and comments about things that have already previously been answered in a thread.

It's odd they don't have time to read the thread, but then ask as series of questions that have already been posed and addressed.

Did they bring him back to the Cleveland area, or did he migrate back on his own after his release from Kansas City?

Maybe Kareem is the victim of his upbringing?

And how have you been Kash. Haven't seen you around much.

Hope all is splendid.

Originally Posted By: Tulsa

Did they bring him back to the Cleveland area, or did he migrate back on his own after his release from Kansas City?

The USA Today article says he was at his mother's home in December, following his release by KC, so I assume he came back on his own.

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Get rid of this douche.

... good luck with that one ...

He is a douche for what he did ... NEVER EVER a good reason to hit a girl short of being attacked by her when she has a knife or she pulls a gun on U ...

But good luck wth your pipe dream of us cutting him cause u think he’s a douche ...

U gonna cheer for him when he breaks off a 68 yard TD run with 2:15 left in the 4th quarter that puts us up by two scores against the stilers ... pretty sure we all know the answer to that one ...

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Maybe Kareem is the victim of his upbringing?

It seems likely that he saw his father abusing his mother at some point in his life, and its possible he was abused too, I suppose.

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Get rid of this douche. Its not like he made 1 mistake. He did this three times.

I predict he will not last a year. He will be in jail for assault by then.

And the people making excuses him kicking a woman on the ground are disgusting.

Cool. I understand your viewpoint. I don't like what happened. I really don't.

I also don't like that some women think they can punch at a man and not expect retaliation. That is in a guys DNA. Women want to act like men and start a fight....there ya go.

I have never hit a woman...I did hit a girl when I was maybe 5-6. This girl down the street walked up to me and started biting me hard enough in the arm to draw blood. I hit her in the ear. She ran off screaming for her Mom and I went screaming to my Mom.

In your world I should have allowed her to bite me all she wanted? Of course not...I don't think you do.

In the adult world and not kid stuff, I didn't hang around women who were going to start punching me if they didn't get their way......no draw for me.

Ladies and Gentlemen...that was the way I looked at it. Both need to act the part.

She was laying on the ground not even near him. HE HAD TO WALK OVER TO HER JUST TO KICK HER.

WHAT PART OF THAT IS HER ATTACKING HIM?

Originally Posted By: Dave

Originally Posted By: Tulsa

Did they bring him back to the Cleveland area, or did he migrate back on his own after his release from Kansas City?

The USA Today article says he was at his mother's home in December, following his release by KC, so I assume he came back on his own.

OK, it means he is a good son. When lost, go back to Mom.

I'd say parents, but it sounds like Dad was lost.

Even at my age, there are still times I wish I could go sit on the porch and talk to my Mom or Dad. Dad Passed in 95, Mom in 97. I miss them a lot.

If your parents are still alive....ask them questions. They aren't going to live forever, and you will never find a better friend. Most "friends" wouldn't die for you....right now.....most parents would, no questions asked.

Originally Posted By: DiamDawg

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Get rid of this douche.

... good luck with that one ...

He is a douche for what he did ... NEVER EVER a good reason to hit a girl short of being attacked by her when she has a knife or she pulls a gun on U ...

But good luck wth your pipe dream of us cutting him cause u think he’s a douche ...

U gonna cheer for him when he breaks off a 68 yard TD run with 2:15 left in the 4th quarter that puts us up by two scores against the stilers ... pretty sure we all know the answer to that one ...

I dont think he's going to last. JG was a neanderthal who didnt learn, and the same with this guy.

Ballpeen, you were a judge, right? His father served 9 years for 9 felony convictions, according to USA Today. How is that possible? At what point do you lock someone up and throw away the key?

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Get rid of this douche. Its not like he made 1 mistake. He did this three times.

I predict he will not last a year. He will be in jail for assault by then.

And the people making excuses him kicking a woman on the ground are disgusting.

Cool. I understand your viewpoint. I don't like what happened. I really don't.

I also don't like that some women think they can punch at a man and not expect retaliation. That is in a guys DNA. Women want to act like men and start a fight....there ya go.

I have never hit a woman...I did hit a girl when I was maybe 5-6. This girl down the street walked up to me and started biting me hard enough in the arm to draw blood. I hit her in the ear. She ran off screaming for her Mom and I went screaming to my Mom.

In your world I should have allowed her to bite me all she wanted? Of course not...I don't think you do.

In the adult world and not kid stuff, I didn't hang around women who were going to start punching me if they didn't get their way......no draw for me.

Ladies and Gentlemen...that was the way I looked at it. Both need to act the part.

She was laying on the ground not even near him. HE HAD TO WALK OVER TO HER JUST TO KICK HER.

WHAT PART OF THAT IS HER ATTACKING HIM?

I don't like it, but it was a bump in the rump. It wasn't a hard kick.

There are no good answers in this.

I do agree, when a person is down, they are down. End of fight. If he hadn't have kicked her, no foul IMO.

I don't think she ended up with a bruise on her butt from that kick....that would be a hard kick....

Quote:

His father served 9 years for 9 felony convictions, according to USA Today. How is that possible? At what point do you lock someone up and throw away the key?

Jails and prisons are to full..you know, the pot smokers...

So its ok to kick women as long as you dont kick them hard?

DISGUSTING

Thats some douchbaggery right there.

He was the aggressor in the the whole video.

He should have just walked away.

His dumb self isnt gonna last.

Originally Posted By: Dave

Ballpeen, you were a judge, right? His father served 9 years for 9 felony convictions, according to USA Today. How is that possible? At what point do you lock someone up and throw away the key?

Probably overcrowding.

j/c:

I think it's wrong when people have very strong feelings [on either side] about situations like this one.

We saw a video. What we don't know is what preceded it. For example:

--Did Hunt demand group sex and she refused? Was he outraged by that?

--Did the woman try and steal from them?

--Did Hunt mislead her by promising one thing and then demaning sex?

--Did the woman call him a n......?

--Was there violence inside the room before the video was captured?

--Did Hunt ask her to leave and she went crazy and started to threaten him and his group?

There are a ton of possible scenarios that none of us have the answers to. What he did was wrong regardless, but w/out all the facts, I think it is unwise to draw bold conclusive determinations one way or the other.

I will say this again.........I am not sure if any of you have ever partied. Lot's of alcohol and late nights don't always end well. People act out of character. Crazy things happen in a heart beat. Emotions rule and judgement is compromised.

I think that if I were a player like Hunt, I would try to stay out of such situations. The allure of partying and sex is intoxicating, but man, it can end real bad. And if I were a female, I would not be getting wasted and accompanying groups of men I had never met to a hotel room.

A lot of people learn the hard way.

Comparing Josh to Hunt is as smart as comparing Bake to Manziel ... its apples to oranges once again ...

He may mess up again (i hope not for his sake as a human being) but its highly doubtful he does it before this season is over ...

Oh well ... i hope your WRONG on all counts ...

Originally Posted By: DiamDawg

Comparing Josh to Hunt is as smart as comparing Bake to Manziel ... its apples to oranges once again ...

He may mess up again (i hope not for his sake as a human being) but its highly doubtful he does it before this season is over ...

Oh well ... i hope your WRONG on all counts ...

Its not apples to oranges. If he had more than 2 brain cells to rub together he would have walked away from that. He has too much to lose. And it wasnt even the first time. He repeatedly does this and doesnt get it.

I hope I'm wrong too, if we are stuck with this loser. But I dont think I am.

Will you please stop making things up?

Please identify the other times he has physically attacked a woman. Also, please don't say that she didn't do anything aggressive. She went after him very early in the video.

Dude was wrong. No doubt about it. But, I don't like when people make things up to win an argument.

I have said that as well.....we saw what happened in the hallway. We don't know what happened behind the door, and what happened behind the door is what is what manifested in the hall.

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

And how have you been Kash. Haven't seen you around much.

Hope all is splendid.

I'm good Peen! Thanks for asking. I'm more of a lurker lately. Too much drama for me from a message board lol. I just want to read about football and my team!

Hope you and your family are doing well!

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

Will you please stop making things up?

Please identify the other times he has physically attacked a woman. Also, please don't say that she didn't do anything aggressive. She went after him very early in the video.

Dude was wrong. No doubt about it. But, I don't like when people make things up to win an argument.

Are you blind or something?

They have a verbal altercation.
Then he shoves her.
Then she walks back toward him and he tries to shove her again and she punches at him.
Then he shoves someone else and she falls down, and he kicks her while she is on the ground.

While the whole time other people are trying to stop him.

And he is doing this to a teenager.

He is an idiot. He should have walked away. He isnt any brighter than JG.

Hunt can run and catch...Duke can run and catch...Chubb can run... Man I'm excited if Monken and Kitchens can install plays that can give these guys plenty of reps.

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

j/c:

We saw a video. What we don't know is what preceded it. For example:

--Did Hunt demand group sex and she refused? Was he outraged by that?

--Did the woman try and steal from them?

--Did Hunt mislead her by promising one thing and then demaning sex?

--Did the woman call him a n......?

--Was there violence inside the room before the video was captured?

--Did Hunt ask her to leave and she went crazy and started to threaten him and his group?

There are a ton of possible scenarios that none of us have the answers to. What he did was wrong regardless, but w/out all the facts, I think it is unwise to draw bold conclusive determinations one way or the other.

I will say this again.........I am not sure if any of you have ever partied. Lot's of alcohol and late nights don't always end well. People act out of character. Crazy things happen in a heart beat. Emotions rule and judgement is compromised.

I think that if I were a player like Hunt, I would try to stay out of such situations. The allure of partying and sex is intoxicating, but man, it can end real bad. And if I were a female, I would not be getting wasted and accompanying groups of men I had never met to a hotel room.

A lot of people learn the hard way.

And you accuse me of making stuff up?

You just invented a list of imaginary scenarios and then tried to justify his actions using the imaginary scenarios.

Please, honey.

You said he did this two other times. I want to see proof. You're making that up.

He got into two altercations w/dudes. He didn't hit other woman. Or maybe you have an exclusive.

As far as the rest goes........I'm not blind and I'm not a drama queen.

There is always way more to the story and pretending to know all the answers is garbage.

You can get another shot in and that's cool because I started on your first. However, I'm done w/you on this thread.

How do u compare a drug addict that IMO has a brain thats not wired quite right to someone who hit a women when he was probably drunk ... hunt obviously has anger/temper issues ... Thats night and day from having some with loose wiring and a drug addiction ...

i dont agree with Vers or peen here .. in my world short of a women coming at u with a weapon u NEVER EVER hit her ... dude can’t absorb some punches or scratches from a women .... he ain’t much of a man ..

I don’t see the correlation between the two on any level ...

I got $20 that says he never does it again ... he should also have a good friend to lean on here for guidance ... one Tyreek Hill ... as far as we know he hasn’t done it again ... as with Hunt or anyone with these kind of issues i hope he never does it again .. just like i hope josh gets his life together ...

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

j/c:

We saw a video. What we don't know is what preceded it. For example:

--Did Hunt demand group sex and she refused? Was he outraged by that?

--Did the woman try and steal from them?

--Did Hunt mislead her by promising one thing and then demaning sex?

--Did the woman call him a n......?

--Was there violence inside the room before the video was captured?

--Did Hunt ask her to leave and she went crazy and started to threaten him and his group?

There are a ton of possible scenarios that none of us have the answers to. What he did was wrong regardless, but w/out all the facts, I think it is unwise to draw bold conclusive determinations one way or the other.

I will say this again.........I am not sure if any of you have ever partied. Lot's of alcohol and late nights don't always end well. People act out of character. Crazy things happen in a heart beat. Emotions rule and judgement is compromised.

I think that if I were a player like Hunt, I would try to stay out of such situations. The allure of partying and sex is intoxicating, but man, it can end real bad. And if I were a female, I would not be getting wasted and accompanying groups of men I had never met to a hotel room.

A lot of people learn the hard way.

And you accuse me of making stuff up?

You just invented a list of imaginary scenarios and then tried to justify his actions using the imaginary scenarios.

Please, honey.

He asked some questions. He did not make up anything, did not say any of those things happened.

Originally Posted By: DiamDawg

How do u compare a drug addict that IMO has a brain thats not wired quite right to someone who hit a women when he was probably drunk ... hunt obviously has anger/temper issues ... Thats night and day from having some with loose wiring and a drug addiction ...

i dont agree with Vers or peen here .. in my world short of a women coming at u with a weapon u NEVER EVER hit her ... dude can’t absorb some punches or scratches from a women .... he ain’t much of a man ..

I don’t see the correlation between the two on any level ...

I got $20 that says he never does it again ... he should also have a good friend to lean on here for guidance ... one Tyreek Hill ... as far as we know he hasn’t done it again ... as with Hunt or anyone with these kind of issues i hope he never does it again .. just like i hope josh gets his life together ...

Men who are chronically violent, especially toward women are not wired right in the head either.

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i dont agree with Vers or peen here .. in my world short of a women coming at u with a weapon u NEVER EVER hit her ... dude can’t absorb some punches or scratches from a women .... he ain’t much of a man ..

WTF?!? Can anyone on this board read?

Where did you ever get the opinion that I thought it was okay for him to hit her. I stated that he was wrong no matter what.

I yi yi yi...............this place is freaking bonkers.

Thanks Cap. And half of my questions were designed to paint Hunt in a more negative light.

My point was just that we don't know exactly what went on and both parties were putting themselves at risk in this situation. Late nights and alcohol can lead to trouble. I think most people realize that.

Originally Posted By: Dave

Ballpeen, you were a judge, right? His father served 9 years for 9 felony convictions, according to USA Today. How is that possible? At what point do you lock someone up and throw away the key?

9 felonies based off of 1 arrest it looks like. I would be surprised if one of his felonies was a violent one considering his time served.

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

You said he did this two other times. I want to see proof. You're making that up.

He got into two altercations w/dudes. He didn't hit other woman. Or maybe you have an exclusive.

As far as the rest goes........I'm not blind and I'm not a drama queen.

There is always way more to the story and pretending to know all the answers is garbage.

You can get another shot in and that's cool because I started on your first. However, I'm done w/you on this thread.

Three violent incidents. Not three violent incidents against women.

The "there's more to the story" is whats known as excuses.

"She wont put out" or "I was drunk" really isnt going to stand up in court the next time he does this and someone presses charges.

Originally Posted By: DeisleDawg

Hunt can run and catch...Duke can run and catch...Chubb can run... Man I'm excited if Monken and Kitchens can install plays that can give these guys plenty of reps.

EXCUSE ME .... don’t short change my man Mr. CHUBB ....dude can catch bro ...

Not so sure he did not have the best catch by a RB in the ENTIRE LEAGUE LAST YEAR ... i’m Sure u know witch one ..

We also had IMO the TOUGHEST catch by a WR in the league last year from the OVERPAID one according to a few of the menZas ... that catch in the last drive against the rats was INCREDIBLY DIFFUCULT w/o the db DRAPED ALL OVER HIM ...

Chubb TD against the Bungles was very vice grips esque and vice grip catch against the rats gave me a .... well u know ...

...

LETS GOOOOOooooooooo ...

Originally Posted By: CapCity Dawg

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

j/c:

We saw a video. What we don't know is what preceded it. For example:

--Did Hunt demand group sex and she refused? Was he outraged by that?

--Did the woman try and steal from them?

--Did Hunt mislead her by promising one thing and then demaning sex?

--Did the woman call him a n......?

--Was there violence inside the room before the video was captured?

--Did Hunt ask her to leave and she went crazy and started to threaten him and his group?

There are a ton of possible scenarios that none of us have the answers to. What he did was wrong regardless, but w/out all the facts, I think it is unwise to draw bold conclusive determinations one way or the other.

I will say this again.........I am not sure if any of you have ever partied. Lot's of alcohol and late nights don't always end well. People act out of character. Crazy things happen in a heart beat. Emotions rule and judgement is compromised.

I think that if I were a player like Hunt, I would try to stay out of such situations. The allure of partying and sex is intoxicating, but man, it can end real bad. And if I were a female, I would not be getting wasted and accompanying groups of men I had never met to a hotel room.

A lot of people learn the hard way.

And you accuse me of making stuff up?

You just invented a list of imaginary scenarios and then tried to justify his actions using the imaginary scenarios.

Please, honey.

He asked some questions. He did not make up anything, did not say any of those things happened.

Everything he listed is an imaginary scenario to try to justify the violence.

As if any of those things would justify it.

Neither are dudes who play football at a professional level

She called u honey ....

...

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Chubb TD against the Bungles was very vice grips esque and vice grip catch against the rats gave me a .... well u know ... wink...

That's right..I forgot..smh.. Now you just got me more excited and interested in how the game plan will be for these 3 great runners / catchers..

Can't wait to see this season start... your pumping me up Diam

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

So its ok to kick women as long as you dont kick them hard?

DISGUSTING

Thats some douchbaggery right there.

He was the aggressor in the the whole video.

He should have just walked away.

His dumb self isnt gonna last.

He will last a long while. Bank it.

Quit trying to make me the bad guy.

Women want to enter a man's world. enter at risk is all I will say.

Thanks for trying to get this thread back on track because I am really sick and tired of people misconstruing my points.

I got my opinion from the scenarios u laid out like they were possible legite reasons for what he did ...

Like ...did the women steal from them ... or did she call him the n word ...

Not sure how else i’m Suppose to take those “questions” ..

Whatever dude ...

I’m still *L* at Eve calling u honey ..

EVE does Kareem have faulty wiring or was he drunk or is it an anger/temper issue .. u have NO CLUE ... u want to ASSume u have all the answers ... more power to u ... rock on Eve ..

IT WAS A GREAT SIGNING with upside out the ting yang ...

I’m joining Kash as a lurker ...

Pee away dawgs ...

Originally Posted By: CHSDawg

Originally Posted By: Milk Man

Don't let him get an apartment at The 9!

This seems almost cruel. What's the point of being rich in Cleveland if you can't live at the 9?

Dorsey is making him live in Middlefield with the Amish.

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

You said he did this two other times. I want to see proof. You're making that up.

He got into two altercations w/dudes. He didn't hit other woman. Or maybe you have an exclusive.

As far as the rest goes........I'm not blind and I'm not a drama queen.

There is always way more to the story and pretending to know all the answers is garbage.

You can get another shot in and that's cool because I started on your first. However, I'm done w/you on this thread.

Link of other incidents: [url=https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/sport/kareem-hunt-previous-incidents/index.html][/url] link

Originally Posted By: DeisleDawg

Quote:

Chubb TD against the Bungles was very vice grips esque and vice grip catch against the rats gave me a .... well u know ... wink...

That's right..I forgot..smh.. Now you just got me more excited and interested in how the game plan will be for these 3 great runners / catchers..

Can't wait to see this season start... your pumping me up Diam

If u want to keep your expectations from going off the charts u best quit reading me bro .. cause i’m OUT OF MY MIND EXCITED and if u thought i was optimistic last year .... U AIN’T SEEN NUTTIN YET ...

I LOVE every thing and I MEAN EVERYTHING about whats going on here ... starting with King John down to the waterboys ...

This years desination is PARADISE ISLAND brother ... ...

You’ve been put on notice ... read me at your own risk my friend ...

LETS GOOOOOOoooooooooooooo

Other incidents

link

Maybe you missed this comment and others I made just like it:

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Dude was wrong. No doubt about it.

Can you read that, bro?

And I wasn't trying to "justify" anything. Hell, half of the scenarios I painted put Hunt in a more negative light.

My point is that none of us know the entire story and to pretend we do is wrong. My other point is that people need to be careful about which situations they put themselves in. That isn't me "justifying" Hunt pushing and kicking her. Sheesh!!!

I get that people don't have the time to read things carefully and tend to skim read posts, but let me real clear.........people shouldn't talk about other posters unless they know what the hell they are talking about!!!

One more time............there is no justification for what Hunt did. He was wrong!!! Is that freaking clear enough for you and others?

Originally Posted By: DeputyDawg

Originally Posted By: CHSDawg

Originally Posted By: Milk Man

Don't let him get an apartment at The 9!

This seems almost cruel. What's the point of being rich in Cleveland if you can't live at the 9?

Dorsey is making him live in Middlefield with the Amish.

Originally the plan was just to find a place the analytic nerds couldn't find him...

Thanks mom. I already read the other incidents. I already knew they didn't involve women.

My bad bro ... i’m a human being that makes mistakes too .... sorry about that ...

Time to join Kash ... well other than continuing to slam Sashi’s Cult and the menZas that think Vice Grips is overpaid ...

LETS GOOOOOOooooooooooo ...

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Pee away dawgs ... thumbsup

Can't..dang door is locked...my owner is at the Sports Bar and my neighbor is marking my tree...What a Ruff life.Just want to bite his .......... leg !

Originally Posted By: DiamDawg

... well other than continuing to slam Sashi’s Cult and the menZas that think Vice Grips is overpaid ...

That's not my name 👏👏

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

Thanks mom. I already read the other incidents. I already knew they didn't involve women.

Jim Brown had incidents that didn't involve women too.

Still a scumbag.

I'm not going to burn KH on a cross, but I'm not gonna defend him either.

I'll cheer if he does good things for the Browns, but it would take him a lot of good things outside football to erase that one bad thing outside of football in my mind.

I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.

I think that's a different scenario altogether.

The key is not to put yourself in these type of situations.

Quote:

The key is not to put yourself in these type of situations.

Sometimes the situation just happens without putting yourself in that situation...

Browns sign Kareem Hunt.

Does this help you beat Pittsburgh?

Originally Posted By: DeisleDawg

Quote:

The key is not to put yourself in these type of situations.

Sometimes the situation just happens without putting yourself in that situation...

Maybe.

In the case of Kareem Hunt, I doubt a girl ends up in his hallway to push and kick if he doesn't go out drinking with friends and they just stay in and watch movies.

Originally Posted By: DeisleDawg

Quote:

The key is not to put yourself in these type of situations.

Sometimes the situation just happens without putting yourself in that situation...

I dont think any situation happens where any sane person can say "Yeah, that teenage girl totally deserved to be punched/kicked by the NFL Football Player".

j/c:

I thought this was the Pure Football forum, but it's become the Political forum, part two.

Device..I don't want to go into the what ifs..He could of shouldn't of..She could of shouldn't of.

As of now..and only now..He's a Browns player.. I really want to discuss what his role will be and how can he be utilized and help this team win.

I think the old days..Mack and Byner...

I am not sure about any of this, but I can see...

--Hunt getting two series and Chubb getting two series throughout the game.

--Both players being in the same backfield a few to several times a game. Misdirection plays being called where you fake the handoff to one side and then hand off to the other side. Then, follow up w/handing off to the first guy.

--Counters and traps.

--Utilizing Hunt as a receiver in a big, big way.

--I'm thinking they will be the best tandem in the entire NFL. And it won't even be close. The Chargers dudes are very good. The Rams have a very good combo. The Pats have a trio. The Broncos have a nice stable. The Falcons have good backs. So do the Lions, Seahawks, and a couple of other teams. But no one would have a better backfield than us.

I'm generalizing. No what ifs. The Hunt incident was an example.

You commented that situations can just happen without putting yourself in them. I disagree. I think it's rare for a random drunk girl to come up to you and attack. There's usually a reason. Don't put yourself in that situation.

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The Pats have a trio.

Could Duke create that trio Here ? I'm really hoping that can be put in play. Thank you for the football talk.

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As of now..and only now..He's a Browns player.. I really want to discuss what his role will be and how can he be utilized and help this team win.

Right. He's a Brown now. Some have trouble rooting for Hunt for what he did, some have trouble rooting for Baker because he was mean to Hue. This is football...it's always been like this. They are football players, not angels or model citizens. There were similar issues in the old days with drugs, alcohol and violence. Ask Jim Brown's former girlfriends or the 70's steeler's team physicians. Read one of Art Donovan's books.
I'm not going to have a hard time enjoying the Browns winning because of off the field drama.

What Hunt did was stupid. If his behavior doesn't change, he won't last long.

Why do you feel the need to lie?

Originally Posted By: DeisleDawg

Quote:

The Pats have a trio.

Could Duke create that trio Here ? I'm really hoping that can be put in play. Thank you for the football talk.

Yeah, a wishbone with Baker, Chubb, Duke, and Hunt would be pretty scary, especially with Baker's ball fakes.

Originally Posted By: DeisleDawg

Quote:

The Pats have a trio.

Could Duke create that trio Here ? I'm really hoping that can be put in play. Thank you for the football talk.

I don't know, Deisle. There are so many scenarios. Let's consider:

--Hunt gets suspended for 10 to 12 games. Do we trade Duke if that occurs?

--Hell, would we trade him early if Hunt is suspended for 8 games?

--Do we simply hold onto Hunt and then use him as trade bait later on? I'm not saying he won't play when available, but do we want to keep him or use him as trade bait?

--Can Hunt stay out of trouble? The world will be watching him closely and being close to home is going to make it tougher to stay clean. Friends can define you.

--Provided all goes well, I don't think all three stay together for multiple years. Hunt is just too damn good and Chubb is looking to be in the same grouping of top backs. Duke might have to be moved. I just don't see that happening right away.

--I really have no answers. Just thinking of different scenarios.

I don't trade any of them next year.

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

I don't trade any of them next year.

I'd agree with that.

I'm upset we signed Kareem Hunt. But many things happen. Injuries and so on.

Even if Hunt is suspended only 8 weeks, a lot can happen in 8 weeks.

So no sense in trading the Duke

Originally Posted By: Dave

Maybe its good news that Hunt's father is probably going to jail for selling crack cocaine in Elyria.

https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2019/01/...-in-elyria.html

Kareem Hunt Sr, 47, has been arrested 35 times, multiple times for domestic abuse. He also has 9 felony convictions for drug offenses for which he spent 9 years in jail. Link below also mentions his cousin, Rashan Hunt, who was sentenced to 23 years for voluntary manslaughter.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf...ory/2289525002/

It can only be a good thing for the younger Hunt for his father to be out of the picture during his tenure with the Browns, but its also easy to see why some people think the worst thing for Hunt is to return to Cleveland where he'll be immersed in his apparently troubled family issues every day.

One good thing about him being here is he will be around his high school coaches. They were positive role models in his life. I’m still a little conflicted about bringing him here. I happen to know his high school girlfriend’s parents. Her mom is very excited he is on the Browns. She thinks it will be good for him. I hope she is right.

Are you saying that the mom thinks Hunt is alright and not a monster?

Man, it's gotta be tough growing up having a dad like that. It explains some things.

I'm hoping for the best.

He was a good kid who has made poor decisions. Time will tell if he can get his life on track.

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

i can't see it being that long..I'd say 6-8 games and some of those retro possibly

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

i can't see it being that long..I'd say 6-8 games and some of those retro possibly

I trust Schefter more than I trust you.

If Kareem Hunt helps instead of hurts people, the Browns’ signing is a victory: Mary Kay Cabot | cleveland.com
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/02...ncart_big-photo

CLEVELAND, Ohio — If the Browns can help Kareem Hunt become an asset to his hometown instead of another member of his family behind bars, his controversial signing by John Dorsey will go down as a victory.

A devout Catholic, Dorsey believes in redemption and second chances. He believes he can look into the eyes of a player and see his soul. The many times he’s looked into Hunt’s eyes since he began to scout him in 2016 for the Chiefs, he’s seen a good man and not the one who was captured on video almost a year ago shoving and kicking a woman in a hallway at the Metropolitan at The 9 in downtown Cleveland.

Dorsey, who selected Hunt in the third round of the 2017 draft out of Toledo, believes that his willingness to save troubled players might also be his biggest flaw. But his faith won’t have it any other way.

He also knows that Hunt is a product of his rough upbringing, and that it’s a wonder he’s not a victim of the streets, a drug dealer like so many in his family, or wearing a different kind of orange uniform by now.

Just a few weeks ago, Hunt’s father, Kareem Hunt, 47, was arrested in Elyria on charges of drug trafficking, and admitted to selling crack cocaine and marijuana. It was nothing new for “Big Kareem,’’ who had already been arrested at least 35 times in northeast Ohio, including multiple times for domestic violence, according to an in-depth piece in December by USA Today Sports’ Josh Peter. The elder Hunt has been sentenced to nine years in prison over the years for nine felony convictions, mostly on drug-related offenses. He’s also been in and out of jail for lesser charges.

But his dad wasn’t the only one who set a bad example for “Little Kareem.’’ Almost everyone he looked up to — an older brother, his stepfather, uncles and cousins — are either just out of prison or still in it, mostly on drug-related offenses but one for voluntary manslaughter. Even his mother, Stephanie Riggins, was arrested in 2014 on charges of cocaine possession and pleaded guilty to driving under the influence. She opted for rehab in lieu of a jail time.

“He’s a miracle," Hunt’s cousin Lorenzo Hunt, who was sentenced to seven years in prison in 2004 for aggravated robbery, told USA Today. “For Kareem to make it, it’s not just validation for him, it’s validation for all of us who tried our hardest and failed or succumbed to bad situations and poverty.

"All we know is to fight. To see Little Kareem get out of there, we never even saw that he had so much of us in him until we saw how he fights for the other yard, how he fights for the extra inch, how he never quits no matter (if) you got 300-pound linemen holding on to you, trying to drag you down. He never stops. That’s us. That’s a Hunt.’’

Hunt’s mother, for whom he bought a house in westside suburb of Amherst after being drafted, moved him out of crime-ridden Elyria as a boy, and into a better environment in Willoughby, Ohio. Amazingly, Hunt, 23, mostly stayed out of trouble, except for one stop by police with friends who had marijuana that resulted in no charges, and a two-game suspension during his junior year at Toledo for an undisclosed violation of team rules.

Dorsey found Hunt to be “a neat kid’’ when was scouting him, and didn’t hesitate to draft him despite his family history. Toledo’s all-time leading rusher with 4,945 yards, Hunt rewarded the former Chiefs GM by leading the NFL in rushing yards as a rookie and earning Pro Bowl honors. Last season, before the video surfaced on Nov. 30 and the Chiefs waived him, Hunt was off to another torrid start, with 824 yards rushing, 378 receiving and 14 touchdowns in 11 games.

Of course, this isn’t the first time Dorsey has taken a gamble on a player who committed violence against a woman. In 2016, he drafted Oklahoma State receiver Tyreek Hill in the fifth round despite a conviction for choking and punching his then-pregnant girlfriend. Dorsey received the same backlash then, but Hill, a three-time Pro Bowler, has been as much of a model citizen off the field as a star on it.

In August, Hill’s domestic abuse conviction was dismissed and expunged after he completed terms of his three-year probation, which included anger management courses and a 52-week batterer’s intervention program. He established a foundation to help underprivileged children, and earned the NFL Players Association’s Community MVP weekly award in September for his work at a food pantry. He also became engaged in September to his son’s mother, Crystal Espinal, whom he had assaulted.

“It shows what God can do,’’ Hill told the Kansas City Star. “He can take a young man and He can transform him. He can transform him into a positive role model, a positive influence on the community. I’m just blessed to be in the position that I’m in. Chiefs obviously gave me an opportunity, so I’m going to use my platform each and every day to change lives.”

If Hunt can follow in Hill’s footsteps and not only change his own life but that of others, the signing will not have been in vain.

Of course, he must work hard to atone for what Dorsey described as his “egregious’’ actions in the hallway that night, and two other altercations the NFL is investigating, one at a Put-In-Bay resort in June and another at a Kansas City nightclub in January, 2018. Hunt is attending anger management and alcohol awareness classes, and faces a suspension that will soon be levied by the NFL.

If Hunt is truly remorseful, he can donate money to victims of domestic abuse and speak out at local schools. He might even talk to Hill about making restitution and amends. If he becomes a better man the way Dorsey believes he can, he can be a role model for children and inspire them to overcome their dire circumstances.

He’ll likely have to change his group of friends here and be wary of family members who don’t have his best interests at heart. With Dorsey establishing a zero-tolerance policy for further transgressions, he’ll have to find new role models and avoid temptations. Depending on the plan laid out for him by the NFL and the Browns, he might have to abstain from alcohol and other high-risk behaviors.

But with all the Browns’ resources available to him and with his own stated commitment to wellness, Hunt has an opportunity to go from someone who has hurt people to one who now helps them. What’s more, it can happen in his hometown, where he can change the family dynamic and become a community asset.

That would be a victory not only for the Browns, but for Hunt, for victims of violence and for everyone he helps in the future.

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

i can't see it being that long..I'd say 6-8 games and some of those retro possibly

I trust Schefter more than I trust you.

Would the games missed when on the Exempt List count toward any suspension?

Don't GUESS.

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

I am not sure about any of this, but I can see...

--Hunt getting two series and Chubb getting two series throughout the game.

--Both players being in the same backfield a few to several times a game. Misdirection plays being called where you fake the handoff to one side and then hand off to the other side. Then, follow up w/handing off to the first guy.

--Counters and traps.

--Utilizing Hunt as a receiver in a big, big way.

--I'm thinking they will be the best tandem in the entire NFL. And it won't even be close. The Chargers dudes are very good. The Rams have a very good combo. The Pats have a trio. The Broncos have a nice stable. The Falcons have good backs. So do the Lions, Seahawks, and a couple of other teams. But no one would have a better backfield than us.

If we run that 3 Back set with 2 wide outs, you're looking at 3rd and 4th Corners and a LB covering these 3 guys.

Defend THAT. LOL

It be like in Top Gun. "Where Did Whoooooo Go?"

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Kareem Hunt should have been barred from the NFL for life for what he done. Actions must have consequences. Even if you forgive, their must still be consequences.

So if a plumber had committed the same horrendous acts should he/she never be allowed to be a plumber again?

How about a waiter? Cook? Fireman? Lawyer? Nurse?

While what he did was inexcusable taking away his career is also inexcusable.

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

i can't see it being that long..I'd say 6-8 games and some of those retro possibly

Retro? I am not sure about that. He hasn't missed any games while under contract. He was released. If he is not under contract, I don't think he actually "missed" any games.

I could be wrong.

He's had to grow up in tough circumstances and he has an uphill battle to redeem himself, however he does have the opportunity to do just that.

I know this can be a very difficult proposition, but he has to remove himself from the crew that he has run with. That will seem like betrayal and it won't be easy to do, but he has to surround himself w/people that make better life choices than the ones he currently has in his life.

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Get rid of this douche. Its not like he made 1 mistake. He did this three times.

I predict he will not last a year. He will be in jail for assault by then.

And the people making excuses him kicking a woman on the ground are disgusting.

I don't see a single person excusing what he did. he should be suspended.

did you watch the video? he most definitely did not KICK the girl. He shoved her with his foot. If a RB in the NFL kicked a girl that was on the girl, she would more than likely have been taken to the hospital - and charges would have been filed.

I think you are letting your the media taint your opinion on what actually happened.

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.

And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.

Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Originally Posted By: DeisleDawg

Quote:

The key is not to put yourself in these type of situations.

Sometimes the situation just happens without putting yourself in that situation...

I dont think any situation happens where any sane person can say "Yeah, that teenage girl totally deserved to be punched/kicked by the NFL Football Player".

After seeing this, my questions was answered. You most definitely did not watch the video.

Originally Posted By: Dave

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Maybe Kareem is the victim of his upbringing?

It seems likely that he saw his father abusing his mother at some point in his life, and its possible he was abused too, I suppose.

It appears that legal and drug issues run in the family, beyond just his dad.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf...ory/2289525002/
AMHERST, Ohio — Kareem Hunt peeked through window blinds.

It was early Sunday evening when a reporter knocked on the front door of his mother’s house about 35 miles outside of Cleveland.

Stephanie Riggins, Hunt’s mother, opened the door. She closed it almost as fast when the reporter identified himself, making it clear to USA TODAY that uninvited guests were not welcome.

Watching from inside the house was her youngest son, with his signature braids and muscular 5-11, 200-pound frame. He is the star NFL running back who has kept a relatively low profile since he was placed on the commissioner's exempt list and released by the Kansas Chiefs on Nov. 30 after TMZ published a graphic video that shows Hunt shoving and kicking a 19-year-old woman.

Now not only is Kareem Hunt’s football career in jeopardy, but so is his reputation, even in a part of Ohio where he grew up being celebrated for his exploits on the field and where his father and other family members are known for something else — their extensive criminal records.

Hunt’s father, also named Kareem Hunt, has been arrested at least 35 times in northeast Ohio and multiple times on charges of domestic violence, according to records obtained by USA TODAY. Most of the felony convictions were for drug-related offenses. He was sentenced to a combined nine years in prison on nine felony convictions, but it's unclear how much time he spent in jail for dozens of misdemeanor charges.

On Friday, the senior Kareem Hunt, 47, is due in court for nonpayment of court costs, records show. The court appearance stems from a 2012 conviction for disorderly conduct and violating a protecting order, which prohibits an abuser from harassing a victim of domestic violence.

Yet until recently, the junior Kareem Hunt, 23, has avoided serious trouble and was on his way to another 1,000-yard rushing season for the surging Chiefs after he led the NFL in rushing yards as a rookie in 2017.

“I knew it was too good to be true,’’ Ava Hunt, Kareem Hunt’s great aunt, told USA TODAY. “I knew it, I knew it."

In April, Ava Hunt’s son, Rashan Hunt, was sentenced to 23 years in prison for voluntary manslaughter.

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While Kareem Hunt grew up in Willoughby, a suburb of Cleveland, and ascended from a three-star prospect at South High School, to an NFL prospect at the University of Toledo and to a third-round draft pick by the Chiefs in 2017, several members of his family faced criminal charges.

“He’s a miracle,’’ said Lorenzo Hunt, Kareem Hunt’s cousin, who was sentenced in 2004 to seven years in prison for aggravated robbery and a felony firearm offense. He added that several family members squandered their own athletic potential. “For Kareem to make it, it’s not just validation for him, it’s validation for all of us who tried our hardest and failed or succumbed to bad situations and poverty.’’

Kevin Riggins, who family members and records say is Kareem Hunt’s uncle, is serving a 10-year prison sentence for drug-trafficking and other drug-related offenses. A cousin, Gregory E. Hunt, is serving a 12-year prison sentence for drug- and gun-related offenses.

Kareem Hunt’s older brother, Clarence Riggins, was sentenced to more than two years in prison after a 2014 conviction for criminal trespass, according to court records. Hunt’s mother was arrested in 2014 on charges of cocaine possession and pleaded guilty to driving under the influence, court records show. Hunt’s stepfather, Deltrin Kimbro, was sentenced in 2004 to eight years in prison for drug trafficking and related offenses, according to court records.

Four more cousins and another uncle have pleaded guilty to felony offenses, most related to drugs, according to court records.

'All we know is to fight'
Even before Kareem Hunt admitted he lied to the Chiefs prior to TMZ posting the video of his Feb. 10 altercation with a 19-year-old woman at a Cleveland hotel, there were missteps.

In 2011, when Hunt was 16, he was one of four teenage boys in a car when a police officer in Willoughby approached because of suspicious behavior and discovered .38 grams of marijuana and a marijuana grinder, according to a juvenile report obtained from the Willoughby Police Department. The report states that the car’s driver, Matthew A. Hendricks, said the marijuana and grinder were his and his friends, including Hunt, had nothing to do with it.

The matter was referred to juvenile court, according to the report.

In 2015 while he was at Toledo, Hunt was suspended for the first two games of his junior season for an undisclosed violation of team rules.

But it was the TMZ video that resulted in national media comparing Hunt to Ray Rice, whose NFL career ended after a video was released showing Rice punching his then-fiance in the face and knocking her unconscious.

“You see the tape and it just kind of breaks your heart,’’ said Louis Ayeni, who coached Hunt at Toledo and is now an assistant coach at Northwestern, referring to the security video from the Cleveland hotel. “He’s so likeable and when he knows you, he’s a really giving, caring person. But his choices and his actions put him in this situation right now.’’

Kareem Hunt did not respond to multiple requests for comment made through his agent, Dan Saffron.

Though Hunt has not been charged with a crime, the NFL is investigating three incidents in the past year in which he allegedly was involved in physical altercations — with the woman at a Cleveland hotel in February, with a man at an Ohio resort in June and with another man at a Kansas City club in January.

Lorenzo Hunt said he sees a link between Kareem Hunt’s physical altercation with the 19-year-old woman and his family’s checkered history.

“The only thing that he has now is a resonance, just a small, tiny, little seed of all that anger, all of that trial and tribulation, all of that frustration,’’ said Lorenzo Hunt, 36, who is a professional MMA fighter and also said he works in security. “It’s in him. But it’s not of him. It’s pain from us. It’s not his. He got away.

“It’s like all of us, we fought so hard, that all we know is to fight. To see Little Kareem get out of there, we never even saw that he had so much of us in him until we saw how he fights for the other yard, how he fights for the extra inch, how he never quits no matter (if) you got 300-pound linemen holding on to you, trying to drag you down. He never stops. That’s us. That’s a Hunt.’’

The elder Kareem Hunt was a football star at Collinwood High School in Cleveland and later played in adult leagues, according to family members, who said the sport bound father and son. Or Big Kareem and Little Kareem, as they are still known.

“We used to go to Big Kareem’s games, Little Kareem, I’d carry him with me,’’ said Dixie Hunt Dorsey, Little Kareem’s great-grandmother. “When Big Kareem got the ball to the goal, Little Kareem was right with him. I wish I’d had a camera.’’

Chimed in Ava Hunt, Little Kareem’s great aunt: “He ran out on the field so he could play. He’d see his Daddy playing, and that’s what inspired him to play.’’

The elder Kareem Hunt declined to comment for this story other than to say, “I love my son.’’

Wearing a Chiefs jersey bearing his son’s No. 27 in February, the Big Kareem on behalf of his son accepted a “Hometown Hero’’ award presented by the Ambassador Brothers of Lorain County. And video taken by Ava Hunt shows Big Kareem and Little Kareem joking during a Fourth of July picnic this year as the father sat in a dunking booth and stayed dry as the son threw softballs that missed the target.

“I’m the quarterback and you the running back,’’ Big Kareem can be heard saying with laughter.

But by the time the junior Kareem Hunt was born in 1995, his father had been in and out of jail and Stephanie Riggins was the primary parent for the future NFL star. A few years later she moved him out of Elyria, which has a crime rate higher than 86% of the state's cities and towns of all sizes, according to neighborhoodscout.com.

Four years later they settled in Willoughby, about 50 miles northeast of Elyria, a town notorious for drug abuse and drug trafficking, according to Capt. Christopher P. Constantino of the Elyria Police Department.

Stephanie Riggins declined comment when reached by phone. But Lorenzo Hunt praised her efforts as a mother.

“What Steph did with Little Kareem was absolutely amazing,’’ he said of Stephanie Riggins, who has worked as a home health aide, “that she was able to rise above her station and provide for her son in such a stable fashion.’’

Kareem Hunt was playing linebacker at South High School until the team's running back got hurt. Just like that, Hunt was starting at running back — permanently.

During his junior and senior seasons, he rushed for a combined 5,204 yards and 83 touchdowns. But the hometown hero’s status is complicated in parts of Willoughby.

A bartender at The Wild Goose pointed to a spot on the wall where he said a photo of Hunt was taken down after TMZ posted its video.

“He’s a good kid,’’ said the bartender, who identified himself only as John. “Seems like he’s lost his way a little bit.’’

But around the corner at Frank & Tony’s Place, a server who said she attended high school with Hunt, defended him.

“I’ve never seen him get in a fight or any argument,’’ said Mariah Wilson, 27. “I think the general feeling from everyone is people make mistakes.’’

Support at home
Unbeknownst to most in Willoughby, Kareem Hunt was in his mother’s home in Amherst last weekend, according to Hunt’s brother, Clarence Riggins. Hunt purchased the five-bedroom, split-level house in June for $325,000, according to property records. Riggins said Hunt was with his girlfriend, Julianne Oser, who was a cheerleader when they met at Toledo.

“You know, he’s still smiling,’’ Clarence Riggins said of his brother. “He hasn’t let it break him, and he said he’s not going to let this break him and define him."

In the security video published by TMZ, Hunt can be seen approaching the woman and engaging in an argument before shoving her back with his right hand. Another man tries to restrain Hunt, while the woman approaches him and swats at Hunt’s face, making contact.

Rayshawn Watkins, Hunt’s friend, told police that the accuser began calling both him and Hunt the “N-word.”

“It took a lot for him to get there,’’ Clarence Riggins said of Hunt's altercation with the woman, whom Riggins says also spit in Hunt's face. “But as a man, you don’t put your hands on a woman no matter what."

In the two weeks since Hunt’s release from the Chiefs, family and friends have rallied around him, according to his brother.

“The pastor was at the house when Kareem first came home,’’ Clarence Riggins said. “A lot of church people were there. We said a prayer for him and everything. He has a lot of support."

Hunt, who earned his degree from Toledo in criminal justice, has started counseling and anger management classes and has been in contact with the NFL, according to Riggins. He has cleared waivers and is a free agent, but while he's on the commissioner's exempt list he's barred from playing if another team signs him.

Among those who have taken a special interest in the situation is Duane Whitely, police chief in Elyria, where the elder Kareem Hunt has a long history with law enforcement. Whitely said he grew familiar with Hunt during his series of arrests.

Whitely has followed the younger Kareem Hunt’s progress from afar and praised Stephanie Riggins.

“It was a smart move for her, to get him out of here,’’ Whitely said of Elyria, “and move him to a different environment.’’

He said he was disappointed when he saw the video of Hunt but has not given up on the son of the father who was arrested as recently as August on charges of drug possession.

“My hope is that Kareem can turn this around, learn from it, not do it again," Whitely said. “If he can learn and grow, everybody deserves a second chance.’’

I am having a huge issue with how the media is portraying this incident and the signing. First, why is domestic abuse being thrown around in this case? She wasn't a girlfriend. She wasn't a wife...Hunt didn't even know her. Secondly, why is it that no one in the media mentions the girl in the incident throwing out racial epithets or hitting and striking him? Why does she get the free pass? Thirdly, why are they portraying this incident as if he took a knife and slit her throat. Like he lined up for an NFL record field goal and kicked her in the head. Or that he did an MMA Spinning heel kick to her jaw and knocked her across the room. Why is the media only telling part of the story? (I guess I shouldn't be surprised....they always do this)

Lets get something straight...NO ONE is saying what Hunt did was ok. But some ARE putting a level of atrocity far above the offense. However others are trying to ascertain how bad was the incident by gathering more information. By mentioning the acts of the girl (who was asked to leave due to being under age. After which she proceeded to go bat-[censored] crazy). It adds a layer of understanding....It does NOT make the actions any more OK. It does NOT justify their actions...wrong is wrong. But it CAN lessen or worsen the severity of how bad it actually was. For instance...using extreme examples to make a point...which is worse...the guy who shoplifted a couple of candy bars or the serial killer? Are either actions OK? Are either actions acceptable? Absolutely not. But one is far more severe than the other. One is far more "BAD" than the other...

Hitting people is NOT acceptable...The problem I have is that I don't see those trying to crucify Hunt, also trying to crucify the girl? After all aren't we supposed to treat people equally???

I think it was mentioned that sometimes things just happen and then argued that there is ALWAYS a reason...Yeah that is right...but sometimes that reason is simply because you look like some other guy...Is it still your fault??? I mean come on people...lets use our brains...stop letting your emotions pull you around by the nose. Stop dealing in extremes.

What Kareem Hunt did is bad. Punishment is warranted. But it is not as bad as Ray Rice. It is not as bad as Tyreke Hill (He actually married the girl he choked, after treatment and counselling). Let's stop portraying it and treating it as if it was worse...And lets start focusing on how to make the situation better. All the Hate and Angst does nothing to help Kareem, help the Girl, or help anyone...And you can't help either if you dismiss information because it doesn't fit your narrative and agenda.

She instigated, he retaliated...BOTH WERE IN THE WRONG!!!!! By not acknowledging her actions you are saying his offense was AS SEVERE as those idiots playing the knockout game(Google it). And it isn't as bad because of the provocation. Still not OK...still not acceptable...but less severe. And BOTH PARTIES are responsible for the situation...Not just Kareem.

The kid should be punished...the kid needs counselling...the kid needs a better support system...and he needs to make better decisions. But he shouldn't be propped up as the poster child against domestic violence. It doesn't do justice to those abused and there are far more deserving to be used for that purpose.

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.

And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

FYI, I watched the Hunt Video,,,I gotta tell you, the kid made a dumb move, but it's in no way a Ray Rice Moment.. No way, no how. Dumb yes, enough to kick him out of the league, I don't think it rises to that level at all..

I'm feeling better and better..

Oh, and I'm not offended... Sometimes when questions are asked as you did, it can come across poorly, I don't think you meant it that way, but I was making sure you knew, I was just asking. Not promoting Kap, Just askin

No worries!

Its a touchy subject. Political, football, PR wise, anyway you cut it - with Kap there are a lot of angles people take on him. I am one of the few that I could care less if a player kneels, but I truly believe with 1000% of my heart and head, if he could play at a high level, he would be on a squad.

Glad you watched the video of Hunt. I will admit, there is a thread on here when it happened, I had the same comments. "throw him out! hes a POS!" "no excuse"

Now, I still believe there is not excuse for what he did. he shouldn't have done it, but in no way shape or form did he HIT that girl. He shoved her. He didn't HIT her. he should not have shoved her, at all! 4 games I think is fair punishment.

anything over that, and I think they are just trying to use him as an example. Because Rice and Mixon flat out leveled a girl and basically nothing.

Ahhh, how nice is it to agree LOL

Yeah you might wan to save this for a xmas card or something lol.

Ha

Actually Vers, I watched the video for the first time yesterday.. and those "guys" he was running with, actually tried to break it up.. At least, it appeared that way to me.

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Actually Vers, I watched the video for the first time yesterday.. and those "guys" he was running with, actually tried to break it up.. At least, it appeared that way to me.

Yeah, that's the kicker! I think the kid and his buddies are getting stereotyped a bit.

Everyone is saying Domestic Abuse - he didn't even know her, it wouldn't be DA, it would be assault.

Eveyone keeps saying his buddies and he needs to cut ties. He pushed the buddy into the girl if I remember correctly. Because the BUDDY was trying to keep him away from her. It seems for all purposes, that they had his best interest in the scenario.

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Actually Vers, I watched the video for the first time yesterday.. and those "guys" he was running with, actually tried to break it up.. At least, it appeared that way to me.

Yes, they were trying to break it up. I'm not even saying they are bad people.

I want to play detective for a moment.

What time of day/night do you think it was?

Why were Hunt and his crew w/young women they didn't know?

Where do you think Hunt's crew and the women met?

Do you think alcohol was involved?

Again, I don't know how familiar you--or others--are w/the bar scene, but I was into it big back in the day. Bad things can happen when you are drinking in a bar late at night and then meet up w/strangers and continue the "party" at another location. And that is especially true if that location is a hotel.

Tie it all together. It's not so hard to figure out.

Originally Posted By: GMdawg

Quote:

Kareem Hunt should have been barred from the NFL for life for what he done. Actions must have consequences. Even if you forgive, their must still be consequences.

So if a plumber had committed the same horrendous acts should he/she never be allowed to be a plumber again?

How about a waiter? Cook? Fireman? Lawyer? Nurse?

While what he did was inexcusable taking away his career is also inexcusable.

I agree with you 100% GM.. people say that playing in the NFL is a privilege.. playing in the NFL is a JOB. It just happens to be better paying and more high profile than your average job... but in the end, it's a job. If you have the skill set and are not prohibited by law, there should be no reason to prohibit you from doing the job you are good at as long as a team is willing to hire you.

Originally Posted By: kwhip

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

i can't see it being that long..I'd say 6-8 games and some of those retro possibly

I trust Schefter more than I trust you.

Would the games missed when on the Exempt List count toward any suspension?

Don't GUESS.

Was he on the exempt list? He was cut.

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Actually Vers, I watched the video for the first time yesterday.. and those "guys" he was running with, actually tried to break it up.. At least, it appeared that way to me.

Yeah, that's the kicker! I think the kid and his buddies are getting stereotyped a bit.

Everyone is saying Domestic Abuse - he didn't even know her, it wouldn't be DA, it would be assault.

Eveyone keeps saying his buddies and he needs to cut ties. He pushed the buddy into the girl if I remember correctly. Because the BUDDY was trying to keep him away from her. It seems for all purposes, that they had his best interest in the scenario.

That's how it appears to me as well.

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Originally Posted By: kwhip

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

Originally Posted By: leadtheway

Originally Posted By: cfrs15

i can't see it being that long..I'd say 6-8 games and some of those retro possibly

I trust Schefter more than I trust you.

Would the games missed when on the Exempt List count toward any suspension?

Don't GUESS.

Was he on the exempt list? He was cut.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ner-exempt-list
Published: Nov. 30, 2018 at 08:25 p.m. Updated: Dec. 2, 2018 at 11:41 a.m.

Kareem Hunt was placed on the Reserve/Commissioner Exempt List by the NFL and released by the Kansas City Chiefs after newly released video showed the running back pushing and kicking a woman during an altercation that occurred at a Cleveland hotel in February. The video first surfaced Friday on the website TMZ.

The surveillance video shows Hunt getting into a confrontation with a woman while being restrained by others. After exchanging words with her, he shoves her before she strikes him in the face. Hunt then shoves another man into the woman, pushing her to the floor. Hunt eventually makes his way over to her and kicks her in the leg while she is on the floor.

Cleveland Police confirmed to NFL.com that no arrests were made in the incident and Hunt has not been charged.

"I want to apologize for my actions," Hunt said in a statement obtained by NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport. "I deeply regret what I did. I hope to move on from this."

The NFL released the following statement:

"The NFL has placed Kareem Hunt of the Kansas City Chiefs on the Commissioner Exempt list, and as a result, he may not practice, play or attend games. The NFL's investigation, which began immediately following the incident in February, will include a review of the new information that was made public today."

The Chiefs released Hunt a short time after he was placed on the Commissioner Exempt List.

Hunt was sent home early from the Chiefs' practice facility shortly after the video was published, a source told Rapoport.

It remains to be seen if Hunt will join a team while on the Commissioner Exempt List. Pursuant to the NFL's personal-conduct policy, a player placed on Commissioner Exempt List may, with his club's permission, be present at the club's facility on a reasonable basis for meetings, individual workouts, therapy and rehabilitation and other permitted non-football activities.

Neither the NFL nor the Chiefs had seen the video before it was released Friday, a source informed of the situation told Rapoport. The NFL made several attempts to obtain it. The hotel said it was corporate policy to only turn over surveillance video to law enforcement. Cleveland Police Dept. public information officer Jennifer Ciaccia confirmed to NFL.com the police did not release the video.

While no charges were filed, the NFL continued its investigation, which included contacting the alleged victims, sources told Rapoport. However, they did not respond to multiple messages from the league, per Rapoport.

According to a police report obtained by NFL.com, witnesses gave conflicting reports to officers about what led to the altercation. Hunt said he found two women with a man he knew when he returned to his room at The Metropolitan in Cleveland early on the morning of Feb. 10. He said he told the women to leave after learning they were 19 years old. One of the women said she was told to leave after she refused to be with one of the men in the room with Hunt.

Witnesses told police that one of the women involved yelled in the hallway and banged on the door of the room after being escorted out. One of the men with Hunt told police that the woman called Hunt names and used racial slurs before Hunt confronted her.

Speaking to reporters in August, Kareem Hunt referred to the incident: "I've learned from it and I'm focused on football."

Chiefs owner Clark Hunt also spoke in August about the incidents involving Hunt.

"I'm sure he learned some lessons this offseason and hopefully won't be in those kind of situations in the future," Clark Hunt said.

Hunt has rushed for 824 yards and seven touchdowns in 11 games for the Chiefs this season. He led the league in rushing as a rookie last year with 1,327 yards and eight touchdowns.

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.

And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.

so you'd let some crazy woman pound on 'ya and just smile at her, maybe buy her flowers? I know I wouldn't.

Well then you'd be eating the pavement pilgrim.

Originally Posted By: THROW LONG

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

I think this potentially signals the end of Duke Johnson in CLE.

These are the kinds of posts I least like to read on Dawgtalkers.

It happens every time the team gets somebody who potentially would be good.

Why the "heck" wouldn't the team be best to have both players on the team?

But somebody always assumes the team can't improve but must cut somebody because they signed somebody.

Duke wasn't even the worst RB on the team last year, the Rb on the team, who was there the vast majority of the Reg season, and provided the least impact was Hilliard.

But somebody, (not always any one in particular) always wants to post about kicking a contributor off the Browns, and makes the post prematurely.

Stop cutting veteran players. And why would anyone wish for it?

Actually he will eventually be replacing HILLIARD not DUKE on our roster.

As Dorsey stated
1. he is going to have to EARN his opportunities.
2. I think if Duke gets pushed somewhere it will be to the WR room not out the door.
3. I was actually surprised to read in looking at individual specs...they are around the same 40 times...and going by best time (Pro day or Combine)

jmho

Page 9 and no highlight vids?

Doesn't seem right.

VERY strong runner. Great balance and low center of gravity. Sees holes quicker than most yet is patient when he needs to be. No doubt - next level "moves".

See what separates him from mere mortals at 1:10 and 3:00. See why you'd definitely rather see him in your backfield than the opposition's at 4:35... I was at the Chiefs game this year in Cleveland, talk about taking the wind out of our sails!

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.

And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.

so you'd let some crazy woman pound on 'ya and just smile at her, maybe buy her flowers? I know I wouldn't.

I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.

I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place

Originally Posted By: devicedawg

I think that's a different scenario altogether.

The key is not to put yourself in these type of situations.

So says anybody, who isn't a 23 yard old with loads of cash.

When I was 22-23, I liked to be around pretty girls and party some, and I didn't have much cash back then.

When people know you have money, you attract a lot of people, and some of them aren't good people. Some of them see you as a easy target for a easy payday.

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.

And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.

so you'd let some crazy woman pound on 'ya and just smile at her, maybe buy her flowers? I know I wouldn't.

I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.

I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place

I was talking about some crazed woman, a stranger to me, attacking me, not a woman who's mad at me because I was being an arse.

Btw, how DO you keep a woman from getting mad at you?

Cuz sometimes, they just get mad.

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I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.

I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place thumbsup

Have you ever seen a 200# woman having a bad time on crack, meth, k2 or bath salts? I have, and even a macho genius such as yourself ain't stopping that pizzed off locomotive.

pppssssttt just because i wear a d cup doesn't mean I am a woman ;O

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.

And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.

so you'd let some crazy woman pound on 'ya and just smile at her, maybe buy her flowers? I know I wouldn't.

I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.

I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place

Obviously you haven't been around too many women, especially drunk ones.

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: lampdogg

I just want to say that, if I'm walking down the street and some random drunken woman attacks me, she gets the first swing for free. After that, I'm taking her to the pavement.

And after that, you would be seeing the pavement if I saw it.

so you'd let some crazy woman pound on 'ya and just smile at her, maybe buy her flowers? I know I wouldn't.

I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.

I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place

I was talking about some crazed woman, a stranger to me, attacking me, not a woman who's mad at me because I was being an arse.

Btw, how DO you keep a woman from getting mad at you?

Cuz sometimes, they just get mad.

So you're making up an imaginary situation that is not at all like the KH situation.

He attacked her and continued to go after her. Not the other way around.

Why would a crazed woman randomly attack you? Do you hang around meth/crack houses? Is there are problem with zombie viruses in Canada?

but did they like to be around you, especially since you had little cash?

j/c:

I really wish the crap that goes on in the Political forum would not be such a big part of the Pure Football forum.

How about those of you who want to talk about how bad you are or how Hunt is a piece of trash or how you know how to handle a women start a thread in the Political forum and go at it hard and heavy and keep this crap out of PFF?

Like Fate said, all this talk and not one highlight reel and there is very little talk about what kind of player Hunt is.

I know I am not in good graces w/the refs......but hey guys/girls.........is it possile to clean this up a bit?

What Duke and KH can do together in an Air Raid offense will something to behold.

A Chubb/Hunt combo on running downs is going to be special too.

If we can make it work with the trio, fans will still be talking about this offense 30 years from now.

I'm imagining him and Chubb rotating carries and the stress that would put on defenses. Both can catch the ball and both run with power. No let up. It's got me drooling. I love Duke, in fact he is my favorite player, but Hunt is a way better player, and if they move Duke, I'll be a little sad, but the results will be because Hunt straightened up and is playing well.

Imagine both these guys in the backfield at the same time.

You and Steub made good posts in my opinion.

I think Duke might get moved, but it would be down the road. It's obvious that Hunt is going to be suspended, so trading Duke before the season would probably be a mistake.

Once Hunt is back on the field, I suspect that the Browns will trade either Duke or Hunt. I am not sure of that, but it makes sense to me. I don't see a trade happening earlier than that.

Man, if you look at what we are paying Hunt and cap hit...........this is one of the best deals I have ever, ever seen by a NFL FO. There is almost zero risk [financially] and the return on the investment has a good shot at being huge.

Dorsey continues to astound me.

I'd say we'd have to trade one of them, but it'll be later rather than sooner. As in, middle of next season or 2020 offseason.

Just to clear things up, Canada does not have a zombie virus.

Any guesses on when we'd learn his suspension? Probably not until march at the earliest?

The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances. The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit.

The above was from what I posted earlier in this thread about the Commish's Exempt list..

My question of this reading is: Does this mean he doesn't count against the 53 man roster? If so.. Offhand I'd venture that Duke isn't going anywhere soon.

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Does this mean he doesn't count against the 53 man roster?

I don't know for sure, but it sure appears that he wouldn't count against the 53 man roster.

Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan

Umm .... definitely a RB upgrade over anyone on our roster except for Nick Chubb. However, he also appears to be a real piece of crap as a human being.

I hope that Dorsey knows what he's doing in this case. He's definitely huge talent though. I have to admit that my mind goes crazy thinking about 3 WR along with Chubb and Hunt .........

We'll see.

Funny you should say he's a real piece of crap as a human being, I was not aware of any other issues with him other than the one we are all aware of.

Is there something else that I just haven't seen?

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

j/c:

I really wish the crap that goes on in the Political forum would not be such a big part of the Pure Football forum.

How about those of you who want to talk about how bad you are or how Hunt is a piece of trash or how you know how to handle a women start a thread in the Political forum and go at it hard and heavy and keep this crap out of PFF?

Like Fate said, all this talk and not one highlight reel and there is very little talk about what kind of player Hunt is.

I know I am not in good graces w/the refs......but hey guys/girls.........is it possile to clean this up a bit?

The thread is ' Browns sign Kareem Hunt '

All aspects of the signing are open to discussion in my opinion including the off field stuff.

Start a ' How Kareem Hunt will help the Browns on the field ' thread.....

Originally Posted By: DeputyDawg

What Duke and KH can do together in an Air Raid offense will something to behold.

A Chubb/Hunt combo on running downs is going to be special too.

If we can make it work with the trio, fans will still be talking about this offense 30 years from now.

Thanks for the hi-lite video as I forgot what kind of football player Hunt was.

He is similar but I thought a more powerful and durable runner than Duke. I too was think man-o-man both he and Duke in a spread system with one or both going in motion and set up in slots or outside. Dangerous. Or one in motion and the other remains to take advantage of 6 in the box or some light in the butt defenders out there for the run game.

But for me cannot wait to see that 3 back look with Chubb, Duke and Hunt in there. Just puts a big

on my face.

On the infraction that the TEAM invoked punishment by cutting him, nothing I don't think from the NFL.

But I remember seeing the video and the fact that the young lady in question was yelling out obscenities including the N-word. Was the clear instigator. My era we didn't think of physically involving ourselves with women. I find it interesting that we are damned if we claim women to be the weaker sex and then if treated as equal in a confrontation damned. Not approving of this reaction to females. Making some observations and at the time when I saw the video I didn't think he was the aggressor, I did not see the kick that seems to be the main offense and I did see a push that should not have been done. But this female was not an innocent. My point is not a Brown at the time I was on record on thinking he got the raw end of the stick in this encounter.

Since then I learned that like many young men and he was young. He tried to get out of it by lying to his superiors on the team which is why they Cut him (just like we did with Gordon) more the lying to Coaches/FO rather than actual deed.

Also I heard (on this board so take if for what its worth) is that the Chiefs were one of the teams looking to sign him.

All I know is I hope he learned his lesson and will stay out of situations that can turn ugly, surround himself with peers that will have fun but stay out of trouble.

Best thing for him, meet a nice young lady and get married!

This can be a dream for Kitchens having Chubb, Duke and now Hunt on the team.

jmho

Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Actually Vers, I watched the video for the first time yesterday.. and those "guys" he was running with, actually tried to break it up.. At least, it appeared that way to me.

Yes, they were trying to break it up. I'm not even saying they are bad people.

I want to play detective for a moment.

What time of day/night do you think it was?

Why were Hunt and his crew w/young women they didn't know?

Where do you think Hunt's crew and the women met?

Do you think alcohol was involved?

Again, I don't know how familiar you--or others--are w/the bar scene, but I was into it big back in the day. Bad things can happen when you are drinking in a bar late at night and then meet up w/strangers and continue the "party" at another location. And that is especially true if that location is a hotel.

Tie it all together. It's not so hard to figure out.

Honestly don't know what time this took place, but I'd bet some Alcohol was involved..

Either way, it without a doubt doesn't rise to the level of Ray Rice! Well, at least I don't think so.

Originally Posted By: jfanent

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I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.

I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place thumbsup

Have you ever seen a 200# woman having a bad time on crack, meth, k2 or bath salts? I have, and even a macho genius such as yourself ain't stopping that pizzed off locomotive.

I think you need to re-evaluate your life and your friends, then.

There is never a scenario to hit a women. FYI, if you cant outrun a 200# women on meth and bath salts, you might want to get a #PlanetFitness membership.

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

Originally Posted By: jfanent

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I think I am man enough to be able to detain a women without punching her.

I also think I am man enough/smart enough to not get a women angry enough to do so in the first place thumbsup

Have you ever seen a 200# woman having a bad time on crack, meth, k2 or bath salts? I have, and even a macho genius such as yourself ain't stopping that pizzed off locomotive.

I think you need to re-evaluate your life and your friends, then.

There is never a scenario to hit a women. FYI, if you cant outrun a 200# women on meth and bath salts, you might want to get a #PlanetFitness membership.

Or, maybe you don't know where he works.

Originally Posted By: jaybird

Any guesses on when we'd learn his suspension? Probably not until march at the earliest?

I'm pretty sure that I saw something saying that it was expected there would be a decision prior to the start of Free Agency. That is not saying there WILL be, just that it was the rumored expectation.

If suspended, he does not count against the 53 until after he is re-activated. I do believe that he will count against all other roster caps, however. So, he will count toward the 90 and 80 man roster caps during the Spring and Summer.

As for the move itself - I'm torn on this one. I have mixed feelings and I *really* hope that better information comes out that puts me at ease with this move. A letter, likely even written by a publicist, to give the appearance of being contrite is not sufficient for me.

Admittedly, I have NOT looked deeply into the issue and I'm not even sure if I ever even fully watched the video when the incident was first reported last year. That said, I have some real reservations about bringing in a guy like this, BUT to counter it I have trust in Dorsey and the fact where his former team was in the mix to try to re-sign him. That tells me that more than a few distinct groups individually feel that the issue likely isn't what it was blown up to be in the media, and if that is the case I'm happy with the signing because of how cheaply we just acquired a MAJOR talent that will either contribute well or beget us some serious Draft capital. That is my hope, anyway. *IF* it IS what it was blown up to be in the media, then I absolutely am not in favor of this move and I really dislike what this says about our team. Talent be damned.

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Admittedly, I have NOT looked deeply into the issue and I'm not even sure if I ever even fully watched the video when the incident was first reported last year.

You need to watch the video then. It will ease some of your concerns. Its NOT what the media made it out to be.

Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater

I think this potentially signals the end of Duke Johnson in CLE.

You don't think he can be moved to a slot receiver position? Just started this thread and haven't read all the posts yet so forgive me if this has already been answered.

JMHO, I've witnessed in families a lot worst physical harm done than what Kareem did...time of day, alcohol, and disgusting name calling probably contributed to his actions. Glad he's gotten second chance with US. Good for him and Browns.
The media often paints the picture they want to insight
controversy...they make news vs report news. And women are equals, they are in military combat arms- fairer sex only applies when they want it....wrong, you can get your butt beat if you're asking for it....that's what they've demanded in our society. Live with it. Go Browns!!!

I might be in the minority thinking Duke shouldn't need to worry about packing for a while, but the Air Raid needs speed, speed and more speed. Most passing plays have 4 vertical routes. I wouldn't be showing the door to somebody with Duke's speed if I'm the coach.

I think one would have to look at his contract and evaluate what we could replace him for at the same cost to arrive at the proper decision on that.

J/C Duke is an asset not a liability.

He’s in NE, he makes hay.

Let’s see what Freddie and Todd have. Never have I heard having too many options is a bad thing.

Originally Posted By: willitevachange

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Admittedly, I have NOT looked deeply into the issue and I'm not even sure if I ever even fully watched the video when the incident was first reported last year.

You need to watch the video then. It will ease some of your concerns. Its NOT what the media made it out to be.

If this is the case, then I am happy with this move. Supreme talent for dirt cheap. Barely more than a rookie contract and we will own his RFA rights. Can't beat that.

Heck, if nothing else, perhaps we get a 1st round pick for him in April.

JC

I don't know all the facts.....what was he arrested for? Has he or when does he go to trial? If he is convicted of that, we need to get rid of the guy.

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

JC

I don't know all the facts.....what was he arrested for? Has he or when does he go to trial? If he is convicted of that, we need to get rid of the guy.

Just know what I have read. NO ARREST nor CHARGES were made against Hunt. A complaint against Hunt was filed. But I can only guess after a year with no charges made and the evidence has existed from the start. I don't think there will be any action. And the ordeal should be over because nothing has been done so far.

As for Suspensions.
He is on something called an Exempt List. And only Goodell can release him from that list. I don't know if at that time there would be a suspension made. He has had some involvement with drunken behavior in a short span from that incident. Nothing was done and I think this is the first with a Female involved.

One has to ASSume that Goodell who took a big hit from the Rice case. Is for me possibly a little too severe on the Hunt case.

But I guess we can expect him off that exempt list and a suspension given. All suspect that suspension will be for 6 games without pay but its not written in stone as no CHARGES has ever been made against him.

jmho

Gross Reporting he's hearing 10 game suspension

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

JC

I don't know all the facts.....what was he arrested for? Has he or when does he go to trial? If he is convicted of that, we need to get rid of the guy.

Who cares if he's convicted or not when there is literal video evidence of it happening.

Originally Posted By: CHSDawg

Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

JC

I don't know all the facts.....what was he arrested for? Has he or when does he go to trial? If he is convicted of that, we need to get rid of the guy.

Who cares if he's convicted or not when there is literal video evidence of it happening.

I agree... we have video evidence already... it's not like he lied and then got convicted...

Originally Posted By: jaybird

Gross Reporting he's hearing 10 game suspension

So if it is 10 games, leaving him available to play in 6 games, if he doesn't play in all six does the year count against his contract? I remember a similar situation with Josh Gordon.

Yes, 6 games would count as an accrued season, but his salary would be prorated - we wouldn't pay him (or count against the cap) the games he's suspended.