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I can tell.

You're hilarious.

Maybe, but you're the funny one tonight. Your response to Day of the Dawg was a real knee slapper.

I get that your personal vendetta, but you might want to go back and re-read all of that. I have no problems w/him not wanting to trade Duke. But, he is the ONE who asked the question first. Not me. I just used his same technique from the polar side.

Of course, you being you, ignored what he said and decided to criticize me............w/out adding any football talk at all. It's who you are.

What a load of BS. Day of the Dawg responded to a post by Bonefish and backed it up with an opinion that differs from yours. He's said nothing to you in this thread, yet you felt a need to belittle him. It's who you are.

I was not aware of that, thanks for the info.. in that case, maybe Duke would be a little more trade ready. Again, once Hunt is with the team.

There would be strong interest in Duke.. no question about it.

.... anyway....

I don't think the whole "Duke will be traded" thing is so far off the mark. It just won't happen until it has to, though (think years, not weeks/months). Unless we get blown away by a trade offer (which isn't out of the realm of possibility... Duke's contract is easy to take on, and his talent is undeniable). Can easily see a team that's loading up for a run and could benefit greatly from a complementary back like the Duke.
But barring a team coveting him like that, Duke is here for at least another year or two before Dorsey has to do anything. I don't think there are enough touches to go around to satisfy Chubb, Hunt, and Duke... in addition to the WRs... so that's why I say that the Duke trade talk isn't all that overblown to me... just premature.

I will say one thing, though. Once Hunt is on the field, I wouldn't mind seeing that Duke Johnson WR experiment he was talking about for a little bit. I'd rather that than have his talent riding the pine.

Hunt replacing Duke in and of itself would be a huge upgrade.

Duke's contract isn't terrible. But after guaranteed money it's still over 8 mil. for three years. That's close to 3 mil per season.

I don't believe Duke will be gone unless they extend Hunts contract. But if and when they do, with both Chubb and Hunt, paying almost 3 mil a year for your third RB doesn't make sense from a salary cap standpoint.

Now if Duke can move to WR that may be a different scenario. But that remains to be seen. It's not that I don't like Duke as a player. I would just like for someone to show me an example of another NFL team who pays their third RB almost three million a season. I don't think there is one.

I don't think will "find a new position" at this point in his career either. Just throwing a few Dawgs a bone.

I would keep all three and let Duke play the slot WR like he likes to play. I could even see plays where all three are on the field at the same time creating total chaos. That is a lot of shiftiness to cover out in space.

FWIW: I think it is equally likely that Hunt is an April bargaining chip for a big trade up as it is he plays for us in August and beyond. It is exactly the sort of master stroke that this front office sees as opportunity to get better. No risk, all reward.

It's just a fact Tab. How much cap space do you think a team will tie up in this day and age at the RB position? That's the "football part" you keep ignoring. Once again, do you think in today's NFL a team is willing to pay their "3rd RB on the depth chart" almost 3 mil. per season?

Duke is certainly safe this year with the looming suspension of Hunt. But, IF Hunt is signed to a long term contract, Duke is most likely gone. Why? NFL teams don't pay the third RB on their depth chart almost 3 mil. per season.

No, your reading comprehension is just poor.

I said that Duke would be safe this year. For all of the reasons you mentioned. But if Hunt pans out, in 2020 his cap hit will be MUCH larger. That's when you don't pay your 3rd string RB almost 3 mil.

And it's funny how you avoided the question. Let's try again shall we?

Please name an NFL team that pays their 3rd string RB almost 3 mil.

Good luck with that.

I agree, Duke is safe this year. I think it depends on if Dorsey views Hunt as a long term guy, or just a guy that he can use to get more draft capital. Either way I'm fine with because I like chubb. But chubb and hunt are a formidable duo and both could carry the load if needed

to be honest i can see duke and hunt being trade options for future draft picks

I could see Duke being traded at some point .... but if Hunt stays away from trouble, why would we trade him? We would have an affordable and dangerous RB duo ... quite possibly the best in the NFL. That's not something you break up.

Yeah, well not so quick.

Hunt is cheap THIS year. By all accounts he will be suspended for a portion of this year. We only have him on a one year deal.

At the end of this season, Hunt won't be cheap anymore. That's when real decisions have to be made. But common sense dictates a choice will certainly be made at that point. If we sign Hunt to a long term deal every ounce of common sense says Duke will be gone at that point.

Dorsey drafted both Hunt and Chubb. Dorsey has no ties to Duke. With a big contract signed by Hunt, no NFL team is going to pay their third string RB almost 3mil.

I know Tab wants to keep fighting about it but the writing is obviously on the wall at that point.

don't we technically control hunt next year too since he will only be an RFA?

Depending on the length of his suspension, Hunt will be either a ERFA or an RFA. A 1st round RFA tender in 2018 was around $4 million. Very affordable for a player of Hunt's ability. If he remains an ERFA, he would get a far more modest amount.

I think that if he gets through this year without issue, the Browns could try and work out a long term deal with him after this season, and if they don't come to an agreement, then he's an RFA. No big deal.

I don't really see how any of that changes anything I posted.

Yep we'd be able to keep all 3 next year and 3 more just like them for less than somebody is going to pay Leveon Bell this year.

It would be stupid to get rid of a weapon like Duke in the next two years unless we got something equally valuable in return for him.

I don't really care if a homer doesn't respect my football. Those who I respect on this board do respect my football breakdowns. You are not among those.

It's very simple. If Hunt is re-singed he will make in the neighborhood of four million dollars. He and Chubb will be the feature backs, not Duke. That will make Duke third on the depth chart. Nobody pays the RB that's third on the depth chart almost 3 mil. It's just not done in the NFL.

Dorsey has zero ties to Duke and didn't draft him. Unless Duke is moved to WR, which I find very doubtful as he's been in the league for four years and will be entering his 5th NFL season, he will be expendable.

I'm sorry you can't do the math on this one. The feelings we have for each other is mutual so you can quit trying to pat yourself on the back. Of course if anyone is going to do it, it will have to be you.

Please, both of you, cease and desist with the bickering. It adds nothing to the thread...

I'm not making the silly argument that an NFL team will pay the RB that's 3rd on the depth chart almost 3 mil.

I mean even John Dosey wouldn't commit to Duke long term. Here's what he said.....

John Dorsey: Duke Johnson not expendable “yet”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/02/11/john-dorsey-says-duke-johnson-not-expendable-yet/

What a glowing endorsement.

When the Browns have been at their best, They have had 2 powerful running backs. Brown/Green .. Kelly/Green .. Byner/Mack. I'm not ignoring Bernie, or Frank Ryan, but none of those duos had a QB who could do the things Mayfield can. And none of those duos had a number 3 behind them like Duke. I know that Kelly played as the #3 behind Brown/Green in his rookie year, but Duke is more proven now than Kelly was at that time. I am happy with what the running back position brings to the table.

You forgot Pruitt and Pruitt

Kitchens: Hunt can do 'most good' in Cleveland

4:08 PM ET
Pat McManamon
ESPN Staff Writer

Kareem Hunt may be able to do "the most good" returning to the field in his hometown, Cleveland Browns coach Freddie Kitchens said at the NFL combine on Wednesday.

The Browns signed Hunt a few months after a video from February 2018 was released that showed him shoving and kicking a woman during an early-morning altercation outside his downtown Cleveland residence.

The video, and the fact that Hunt had lied about it, prompted the Kansas City Chiefs to release the running back.

"Kareem has to be willing, has to show remorse and be willing to make a change," Kitchens told the media at the combine in Indianapolis. "And he's shown us that. It could be in Kansas City, Cleveland, that doesn't matter.

"In a lot of ways, you know, it's more important for Kareem to make those advances and to evolve into a better person in his hometown. That's where he's going to do the most good.

"There's some good that can come out of this. We never justify anything that's happened. But there's some good that can come out of this if he keeps evolving and keeps doing the things he's supposed to do to become a better person. And we'll worry about the football stuff later. But right now we're in the Kareem Hunt business of making him a better person."

Hunt, who grew up in Willoughby, outside Cleveland, signed a one-year contract with the Browns on Feb. 12.

He faces a significant suspension from the NFL for violating its personal conduct policy. He remains on the commissioner's exempt list.

Hunt's family in the Cleveland area has had its share of legal issues. His father was arrested in January and charged with selling crack cocaine, according to Cleveland.com. USA Today reported in December that Hunt's father has been arrested at least 35 times and has been sentenced to prison terms for drug-related offenses.

He also has been arrested on charges of domestic violence, and Hunt's mother, brother and stepfather have also been arrested and convicted for various offenses, including cocaine possession and drug trafficking, USA Today reported.

The Browns said Hunt sought counseling before they signed him, and he has committed to continue with counseling in the future. Kitchens said over and over that Hunt has told him he's "remorseful" about what happened.

"Now it's our job to move forward and support him and get him to a place as an individual and as a person to give him the opportunity, a second chance, per se," Kitchen said. "The second chance is not now. He's got a lot of work to do between now and that time the second chance comes. We'll see how that goes. Right now we're day to day and just trying ... to offer him support where he needs to become a better person to get him eventually on the field."

Kitchens said that Nick Chubb is the Browns' primary running back. He also acknowledged that the decision to sign Hunt might not be "accepted in a positive nature" by everyone.

"But in saying that, it's those issues that you can have the biggest growth too," Kitchens said. "Let's don't forget that this is a people business and we're in the people-building business and then we'll get to the football later. But our foremost thing right now for Kareem Hunt is to offer him support to be the man that he wants to be, and that's where we're at."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26094824/kitchens-hunt-do-most-good-cleveland

Has Goodell even removed Hunt from the Commissioner's Exempt List?

I would imagine that it would be in July.

I thought I had seen something around the time we signed him that there was a hope/expectation that we would have something from the Commish before Free Agency opens.