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How about them or Chiefs/Raiders game and the great names in that awesome rivalry ...


Awwww man......loved that rivalry. I actually liked the Raiders at first when they had a RB by the name of Clem Daniels.

I grew to despise them and really liked the Chiefs. Willie Lanier, Bobby, Bell, Otis Taylor, Lenny Dawson, Ed Podalak, Jim Lynch, Fred Arbanais [dude had one eye,] Curly Culp, Buck Buchananon, Emmit Thomas, John Robinson, etc...Loved the Chiefs.

I remember one game and I bet you will, too......Lenny Dawson is scrambling down the right sideline and goes down. Big Ben Davidson for the Raiders is chasing from behind and pile drives Lenny into the dirt. Otis Taylor comes running up and absolutely slams Davidson after the latter got up. He was outweighed by a lot, but man, he drilled him. I was pumped up about that one. LOL

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That was actually one of his tamer shows there.

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That was awesome!!!! LMAO

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How about them or Chiefs/Raiders game and the great names in that awesome rivalry ...


Awwww man......loved that rivalry. I actually liked the Raiders at first when they had a RB by the name of Clem Daniels.

I grew to despise them and really liked the Chiefs. Willie Lanier, Bobby, Bell, Otis Taylor, Lenny Dawson, Ed Podalak, Jim Lynch, Fred Arbanais [dude had one eye,] Curly Culp, Buck Buchananon, Emmit Thomas, John Robinson, etc...Loved the Chiefs.

I remember one game and I bet you will, too......Lenny Dawson is scrambling down the right sideline and goes down. Big Ben Davidson for the Raiders is chasing from behind and pile drives Lenny into the dirt. Otis Taylor comes running up and absolutely slams Davidson after the latter got up. He was outweighed by a lot, but man, he drilled him. I was pumped up about that one. LOL


"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but damn near killed that horse!" -John Madden (Not that year because the Raiders swept them I think, but maybe the year after)

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LOL....................that rivalry was freaking awesome. So many great players and "characters" on both teams.

And didn't Elmo Wright, the KC WR make the first-ever end zone dance that is now a common occurrence?LOL

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Billy Johnson has an impact. Had nice white shoes


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Yep............he was one of the earlier dudes. I think Elmo Wright was the first to dance though. I think Homer Jones from the Giants was the first to "spike."

Not sure about that, though.

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Billy Johnson has an impact. Had nice white shoes


White Shoes'dance was like doing the Charleston without using your hands.

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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Billy Johnson has an impact. Had nice white shoes


That would be a cool nickname.
People should start calling him White Shoes


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I guess this question is just for those of you who have been around awhile. Sorry younger pups, but you can still participate. I don't want to exclude you.

What era--or maybe decade--do you think was the best in the NFL? I'm unsure between two eras. Maybe you guys can convince me?

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Billy Johnson has an impact. Had nice white shoes


That would be a cool nickname.
People should start calling him White Shoes



Yes!! Hopefully what I invented catches on !!


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I guess this question is just for those of you who have been around awhile. Sorry younger pups, but you can still participate. I don't want to exclude you.

What era--or maybe decade--do you think was the best in the NFL? I'm unsure between two eras. Maybe you guys can convince me?



It's kind of like picking your favorite Ice Cream flavor but the 70's got me hooked on football growing up and the 80's were when my Browns were contenders.

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I agree almost 100 percent. I was hooked in the late 60s, but the 70s was when I was of an age that I could understand the game a lot more. Great, great football during that decade. But yes, the 80s was when the Browns got good under Marty's direction and that's hard to forget.

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Coulda sworn Bobby Orr was a defenseman for the Bruins .. Ooops .. wrong sport .. rofl


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Has there ever been a duo that has been put together after being great? Most have been drafted and became great by developing together. Or one added to another.

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Did anybody say Keenan McCardell and Jimmy Smith?

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No one has mentioned Slaughter and Langhorne?


Oh... and Massaquoi and Robiskie for the facetious ones.

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I like OBJ/Hollywood over OBJ/Juice.

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Did anybody say Keenan McCardell and Jimmy Smith?
I did ... and they were fabulous for that few years together


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Has there ever been a duo that has been put together after being great? Most have been drafted and became great by developing together. Or one added to another.


That is a great question. I think there have been plenty of examples of one guy being brought in after playing w/another team, but I don't know that two guys were brought in from other teams.

The closest one I can think of is McCardell and Smith. Obviously, McCardell didn't start w/Jax, but Smith played one year in Dallas. However, he didn't have a catch there. I had to look that one up.

Not sure of any others???

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As much as we, as Browns fans, hate to mention it .. Lynn Swann and John Stallworth have to be in the discussion ...


Yep. They made Bradshaw look a LOT better than he actually was.


Bradshaw was plenty good.. (sorry to say)


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Originally Posted By: mulliganvi
Has there ever been a duo that has been put together after being great? Most have been drafted and became great by developing together. Or one added to another.


Tim Brown and Jerry Rice on the Raiders.

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Who was the qb of that team? ... was rice not a shadow of his old self by then, i honestly can’t remember ...

Lots of good stuff on this thread ... i’ll be back later or tomorrow to address of it .. thumbsup




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Brown was a raider for life i believe ... no? ... if not, who else did he play for before the faiders ... dang my memory may be going ... not good ... thumbsdown




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Tim Brown played for Tampa in his final season. Other than that, he player for the Raiders ..... LA and Oakland.


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Although running the football in this era of yesteryear there has been some great combos not statistically but if you watched the games pretty amazing.

1. Warfield and Collins
2. Swann and Stallworth
3. Irvin and Harper
4. Clayton and Duper
5. Joiner and Winslow Chargers
6. Lofton and Sterling Scharpe, maybe the best duo

Just some of the oldies that you young ones never had the pleasure of watching.

Lance Alsworth was a duo in hiself...man was he good!


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Brown was a raider for life i believe ... no? ... if not, who else did he play for before the faiders ... dang my memory may be going ... not good ... thumbsdown


He only played for the Raiders.

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Who was the qb of that team? ... was rice not a shadow of his old self by then, i honestly can’t remember ...

Lots of good stuff on this thread ... i’ll be back later or tomorrow to address of it .. thumbsup


Rich Gannon. He won the MVP one year.

Rice was pretty good (he had over 1000 yards his first two years with the Raiders).

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The early 80's Chargers not only had Charley Joiner and Kellen Winslow, they also had John Jefferson, followed by Wes Chandler. Throw in the era's best trigger-man (IMO), Dan Fouts, along with RBs Chuck Muncie and James Brooks and you had every D-Coordinator's nightmare. They were pretty much unstoppable, and my favorite team to watch other than the Browns. If not for that wretched Red Right 88 loss to the Raiders, the 1980 Browns - an offensive juggernaut in their own right - would have played Fouts, Joiner, Winslow, et al, in the AFC Championship game. IIRC, that game would have been played in San Diego, and it would have been one of the most anticipated matchups in a very long time. Might have been one for the ages ...

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Numbers matter but just from pure ability hard to argue with Cris Carter and Randy Moss.

Those two guys are HOF players.

Unreal hands, ball in the air they are coming down with that ball.

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Probably don't qualify but I hated Vance Johnson and Mark Jackson.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
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How about them or Chiefs/Raiders game and the great names in that awesome rivalry ...


Awwww man......loved that rivalry. I actually liked the Raiders at first when they had a RB by the name of Clem Daniels.

I grew to despise them and really liked the Chiefs. Willie Lanier, Bobby, Bell, Otis Taylor, Lenny Dawson, Ed Podalak, Jim Lynch, Fred Arbanais [dude had one eye,] Curly Culp, Buck Buchananon, Emmit Thomas, John Robinson, etc...Loved the Chiefs.

I remember one game and I bet you will, too......Lenny Dawson is scrambling down the right sideline and goes down. Big Ben Davidson for the Raiders is chasing from behind and pile drives Lenny into the dirt. Otis Taylor comes running up and absolutely slams Davidson after the latter got up. He was outweighed by a lot, but man, he drilled him. I was pumped up about that one. LOL



I loved the Raiders, ( I didn't hate the Chiefs, liked them too) I really liked Ben Davidson. That was a smart play by Ben. Dawson had the first down and the Chiefs could have run out the clock. Otis took the bait and got in to a fight with Ben....off setting penalties. Replay the down, the Chiefs don't make it and have to punt.

Blanda kicks a 48 yard field goal to tie the game, the Raiders end up winning the game.

Back in the day, the NBC AFL 4PM game was almost always a game involving the Raiders, Chiefs, Jets, or Bills. I liked watching the AFL games, especially the Raiders...Lamonica, Banazak, Dixson, Biletknikoff, Otto, Upshaw, Davidson,Lassiter, Oates,Brown, Grayson....That was good stuff.


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If people are going to consider Paul Warfield and Gary Collins .. why not mention Carrol Dale and Boyd Dowler .. Super Bowl Champions for 2 consecutive years, then toss in Marv Flemming at TE, way back when the NFL was a running league.


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I was going to mention those two, but I thought people would say "Who?" LOL

But, you are right. They were very good.

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j/c...

The obvious:

Jerry Rice and John Taylor
Chris Carter and Randy Moss
Jerry Rice and T.O.
Marvin Harrisson and Reggie Wayne
Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt
Mark Duper and Mark Clayton

The others:

Henry Ellard and Willie "Flipper" Anderson
Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey
Herman Moore and Brett Perriman
Donald Driver and Greg Jennings
Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I was going to mention those two, but I thought people would say "Who?" LOL

But, you are right. They were very good.




I wouldn't.

The point is there have been many great duos.


Football was played before we were born, and played before most of the posters on the board. Many of them barely remember the move let alone football in the 50's and 60's like us.

All too soon we will be dead and they will talk about the great players in the 20's and 30's....the 2020's and 30's , but still remember talking to us old guys talking about players like Jim Brown and Otto Graham. Then one day they will be old guys and gal's.

Father Time never stops. We get our time, then it ends.


It's that way for everybody.


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Football was played before we were born, and played before most of the posters on the board. Many of them barely remember the move let alone football in the 50's and 60's like us.

All too soon we will be dead and they will talk about the great players in the 20's and 30's....the 2020's and 30's , but still remember talking to us old guys talking about players like Jim Brown and Otto Graham. Then one day they will be old guys and gal's.

Father Time never stops. We get our time, then it ends.


It's that way for everybody.


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Carter and Moss were fun to watch as well ... along with Jake Reed

I also loved Herman Moore from the mid 90s for Detroit


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Carter and Moss


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Yeah, I got the last names mixed up. I think the other dude's name was Henry Carr. He was really fast, Orr was the polished receiver.

Do you remember when Mike Curtis [yes, his # was 32] laid that fan out who tried to steal the football between snaps? LMAO..........that was great.







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