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I think it starts with the offensive system. This is NOTHING like the offense we ran last year. Baker was under center like 5 times all night. You CAN'T consistently run from the shotgun. The back has to stand there with his thumb up his kooloo waiting for the ball. Every run is a draw from the shotgun. Get Baker up under center and start running the damn football. That opens the playaction up. Get Chubb going and everything will come together. Ask Baker to throw the ball almost every down and you get what we had tonight. We have Chubb why not USE him? If we aren't going to then trade him.

It is only 3 games, so it is early. There is time to get it fixed.

The combination of bad playcalling (same old deep routes when a completion and moving the sticks will work) and Baker bailing out of clean pockets makes for an inefficient offense. The maddening part is that we know what works.

Say Freddie decided to scrap this system (just saying) how long until we can get back to where we were moving the ball downfield like last year? ...because everything offensively looks bad

Totally disagree. Clean pockets? Are you blind? Replay the game and see the pockets Goff was throwing out of, those were clean. Baker didn't throw out of one of those all night.

You are parroting the poor commentary of the announcers. Did he run out of avalanching pockets before the snow hit? Yes, as well he should.

The real problem is Freddy Kitchens is completely in over his head. 1 and Goal from the 5. First play empty set, stupid! Defense response: Sell out rush, no chance for a run.

4 plays run it, gain 1.5 yards.

Fire Freddy!

i agree. the shotgun stuff is bothering me. i get that a lot of teams is running shotgun more, but we are running it almost exclusively.

Aaron Donald was on our side of the LOS, in our lineman's heads and in our QB's head all night. He was like the boogeyman, a one man wrecking machine.

Yeah, it's ALL Baker's fault. The offense is PERFECT as is. Shotgun every down, throwing the ball 50 times a game. Fine, if the offense is great as is, then trade Chubb. Not like we need him in this offense.

The Air-raid SUCKS. Period. It's a college offense.

I just hope dorsey doesn’t waste too much time waiting for kitchens to figure out when it appears he won’t. This is a desirable gig now . Well it was before mayfield turned into spergyon Wynn. So have to figure out if it’s baker or Freddy the issue. Prob a bit of both. Neither look like they should be at this leve

I think Baker is playing hurt. He was/is too good to be this bad. His accuracy is off which is one of his strongest qualities, but he left that first game with his wrist wrapped and we never heard squat about that. Been off a bit on throws since just after that first drive in that game.

Listening to the post game press conference, on the 4th and 9, it was a bad call.

you are right, but also why earlier are we running the ball on 4 and 9 around midfield?

i wouldnt run that play if my RB was jim brown.

and why not throw to our 2 best receivers on that series on the goal line AT LEAST ONCE??

To me all this goes mainly to play-calling. I like freddie, he is a good coach - but i have seen this before in the NFL, new coaches who call plays get caught up in "outsmarting" the other other Coach, rather than going with the team's strengths.

I think it was about 5 snaps under center tonight.

Tough loss. D was outstanding. Baker was better other than scrambling out of clean pockets. Play calling... that was ok at times and darn right moronic at others. Freddie needs to keep improving. Eliminate the stupid stuff ... 1st and goal and empty backfields with no extra TEs blocking. Good grief. 4th an 9 and a draw play... no challenge to offset the penalty on 2nd and 9.

Big test next week. I think we are going to win.

Defense played pretty darn well. Only thing that frustrated me were the lack of containment on all the many bootlegs Goff ran. DEs continued to follow the crowd, as opposed to holding their position.

Offensively.... Freddie, ol' dear Freddie. I'm scratching my head on a lot of calls tonight. 3 games in, and I'm officially worried. Did well in getting Chubb involved. But the 4th and 9 draw.. the must convert 3rd down and we run verts on all WRs (no one stops at the 1st down marker???).. and the empty backfield inside the 5 with 3 TO's... No designed play to OBJ? No jet sweep to catch defense off guard? #cmonson

Baker is holding the ball too long as well. He had magic feet last season. Would step up in the pocket to avoid pressure. Now he just scrambles right. Frustrating.

No one disputing the offense sucks, but it sucks even more when your qb isn’t capable of doing anything

That was Todd Haley's offense which FK modified.

This is Freddie Kitchen's Offense.

It was a horrible call, tacking on to a bad decision to go for it in the first place.
Should have punted. FK is starting to disappoint.

That was while he was dropping. What happened at the back foot of his drop? The middle gets clogged, and 56 comes around the offensive left end almost unblocked, and Matthews came off the right. 99 ( I think we know who he is) also worked back to the middle.

When your left tackle is at the 18, after the play started at the 5 ..... there's a problem.

Now are you suggesting that Baker should have run the ball? That he should have not made his drop, and instead stepped forward, not allowing his receivers time to work open?

Last week in the post game press conference Kitchens and Baker said all the right things about getting it fixed. Nothing changed.

He's plenty capable, he has shown that.

We should be running the same offense we ran last year. Instead, we are running a college offense. If the NFL allowed it, Baker would be clapping his hands to start the play.

No, he immediately took off right after this

Not this year. To the contrary. He’s been an erratic turnover machine

Baker Mayfield is by far the best QB we have had since 1999 and you say he is "hot trash" do you really know dumb that makes you sound

the offense we ran last year was Todd Haley's offense that Freddie modified. We are running Freddie's actual offense.

I would rather watch Baker draw up plays in the huddle than watch this play-calling continue.

it's terrible.

Baker is not the problem.

Because when he hit the back foot of his drop he had 56 and 52 bearing down on him, and Donald looped around to block up the middle. Maybe he could have run, but he would not have made it. There were too many men back in zone.

Baker of 2018? Yes...Baker of 2019? No

so obj and landry are not the guys to go to on 4th down...our 3rd string te is the guy to go to on 4th and 13

If they are going to stay with this offense, better to let monken call the plays. Freddie is who most thought he was. A career position coach ascending with no qualifications. It’s just too much. They aren’t disciplined and playcalling has not flow or even an identity. Monken has lived and breathed this offense for 30 years

He's not the whole problem.

Is this a byproduct of Freddie or Todd?
Either way, it HAS to STOP.

For what it's worth Chris Collingsworth did say at the end of the game we don't have good enough OT to run certain plays and that's why Baker had to run around so much. Let's face it, we knew our OT weren't that good and it shows.

Yeah I get you don’t understand. Not surprised. But this version of baker wouldn’t even make the the top 10

Honestly, if this O is what we are going to get out of Kitchens I’d pull the plug at the end of the year. We need a coach who is going to run the ball protect his QB, etc. Kitchens has no clue wth is going on out there

i was hyped about FK being our HC, but skeptical about Wilks being our DC during the offseason.

now? im completely sold on Wilks being our DC, and really wondering if FK was the right HC.

yes, its true: that was Haley's offense that Kitchens was running last season.

now? its his and Monkens. and it looks completely different. and the results are completely different, and not in a good way.

Who drew up these plays? Where are the plays and designs from last year. Those were genius, these are hot garbage.