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Which is classic "over-thinking it". Doesn't Bill Belichick say something along the lines of, "We find what we do well and do it. We find what the other team does well and take it away." ... When you do something well and avoid it because you worry the other team will be expecting it, you're playing mind-games with yourself.

j/c...

I’d like to know how many of those were Aaron Donald lol ... it seemed like he “won” his matchup and was in the backfield at least 85% of the time

I think I read or heard he had 12 pressures?

Illegal Formation was the penalty called.

You can find the call here in the link on the play-by-play listing. It's on the drive for the Browns bolded as 'Downs'.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=401128125

That’s probably true, although he certainly affected more snaps of course.

My dad had a good point last night: It seems like he consistently affects the game more than Myles does. Even though Myles has had a good start, he does disappear at times

Myles needs to work on his counter moves, but I think its easier for a stud DT to impact the game more than a DE consistently

hmm 3 of the 4 6foot and below qbs

I'll throw in my .02, in case someone cares.

For me, the part that gets me fed up is that the refs routinely call these ticky-tack holding calls, and then something like this doesn't get called. I can live with one or the other, but the level of inconsistency we've hit is out of control.

.... I'm not saying this is why we lost or trying to derail the thread. That picture just touched a nerve.... and before Diam gets in here, it's not all on the refs. They bear part of the burden, but the rules around a couple of these calls are just a mess.

whats worse is he put his hands to the head/facemask like 3 times that play..nothing called

Yep, I noticed that too. Why didn't they say that should have been a penalty? It certainly should have.

I just watched the game. Man, those fans in the stadium were amped up. Not a bad game at all considering all our injuries... Chub ran well and our D played some really good ball.

I hope eventually the play calling and offense get it together.

One positive note.....

We are in sole possession of second pace in the AFC North and only one game out of being tied for first place.

My only post game thoughts are that this team is (so far) exactly what I said I said it would be in the season prediction thread. Decent, improved perhaps, but suffering from glaring Achilles heals in the form of a weak OL and inexperience in coaching. The coaching can get better and it seems Kitchens is open to change and adjustment. Just hope he can do it effectively before his time is up. The OL on the other hand is what it is. Unless we can scheme better to get the ball out quicker and commit to the run to wear down the defense earlier I don't think we'll see much improvement possible this season on that front. As we are right now we're not at all a playoff team. We'll lose to good teams due to stupid errors and bad strategy, beat bad teams on sheer talent and muddle about the middle.

The sky isn't falling.

I am pretty surprised that we even kept it a game with all of our injuries.

Right now, scheme and play calling do not match personnel.

That's fixable.

We have weapons on offense, we just need to learn how to use them.

More quick passes, more Chubb, more play action, and more RPO.

We'll figure it out. We have more to work with now than we've had in 20 years.

Pithy insight (that's not dirty!) that I think has some truth to it IMO. Baker flushed from pocket easily, and that is almost exclusively to the right. The OL is killing us, but BM camping with the rock doesn't help either. Where are the slants and digs? We had receivers running routes, never looking back until after the sack.Their defense looked crisper IMO.

Monken and Kitchens need to see what they can do. Rolling BM might help more. So would tackles who can move. Disgusted by this loss.

That's what happens when you are in the shotgun every play and aren't even trying to establish the run. The other guys pin their ears back and come after your QB. I think Baker was under center 5 times. Total.

We will lose to the Ravens, lose to the Niners then lose to the Seahawks. That makes us 1-5. The wheels are ready to come flying off. Kitchens better scrap this air-raid crap and go back to the offense we ran last year. Run the damn ball. Put Baker up under center more than 5 times a game. Either that or he won't survive the season. Bet on that.

Kitchens on Giving Up Play Calling: "It is not going to happen"

At Baltimore
At San Francisco
Seattle
Bye
at New England
At Denver


That’s very tough honestly

j/c...

From Jason Lloyd...

...So are the penalties, which are now piling up at an alarming rate. Despite Kitchens’ insistence throughout the preseason the Browns wouldn’t practice penalties, they have now piled up 35 penalties in three games. They’ve also had 11 more declined.

That means officials have already thrown 46 flags against them in three games. They’re already about halfway to the Tennessee Titans’ total of 99 flags for all of last year.

Put another way: The Browns are on pace for 245 flags against them (counting declined penalties). The leader in total flags last year, the Chiefs, had 173. Since nflpenalties.com began tracking total flags in 2009, no team has ended a season with more than 181 flags against them. The Browns are on pace to top that by Week 12.

8 penalties per game the last 2 games is on par with the league average. The first game was an aberration, in my opinion.

J/C .....

We have 3 starters on offense (Njoku, Higgins, and Hubbard) and 5 starters on defense out. (Kirksey and the entire secondary) That's a lot for any team to deal with. It really was a miracle that we were in the game at all.

That's how I'm choosing to look at it as well. We probably should have got destroyed, but we didn't give up. Sometimes the 2-min offense works, sometimes it doesn't. And it's not like we failed to cross the 50. Some better playcalling and we probably tie the game (and maybe go for two).

We saw what worked and what didn't. We'll carry that forward. We need to be prepared to hit Baltimore in the mouth. Knock them off their run game and keep our offense dynamic after establishing the run.

If we beat the Ravens, we're in the drivers seat.

As I watched that last play, I kept thinking to myself, "That's a play Higgins makes", and also thought of the fact that we missed Njoku as a red zone target. Ratley might become a good WR, but he missed almost all of training camp, and he's still trying to catch up.

People want to deny it and make excuses, but Baker is not playing well. It's infuriating how he bails out of a clean pocket and invites pressure.

A lot of mobile/running qbs get sacked more because they abandon the pocket too early, but Baker doesn't even run the ball. I'll never forget how Charlie Frye would do that and most folks blamed the OL. DA came in and all of a sudden our OL was good.

Baker is hurting the team right now. He is not the only problem. The scheme needs tweaked. The play calling is an issue. The lack of discipline is a problem. But, make no mistake about this........right now Baker is part of the problem. He is not playing well. And I wonder how long strong personality guys like OBJ and Landry are going to remain quiet about it?

dunno. if but i can see an explosion of those personalities if we only have 1 win going into the bye week.

and as much as it will suck......OBJ and Landry are running wide open on a consistent basis. so its not like they wouldnt have a point if they start going off.

And IF we had punched it in from the 5 at the end with a two point conversion for the win, we'd still be grousing about as much about all the team's deficiencies. How things change.

If they had punched it in, it might be a different discussion, but they didn't. And if they had, the discussions that the O looked like $#!% all night would still be valid. If they had punched it in, we could all say, "Hey, they got one right!" But they didn't. No, instead, they butchered a golden opportunity. Again.

Indeed. I posted a screen of the play he immediately rolled out. He could have walked in. Last year he would take off and pick up yards with his legs and it helped. He’s petrified to step up or take off. Atleast if you run you can give yourself up. He’s going to take bigger hits running into sacks. And he always bails out to the right..always.. you can use that for a huge advantage as a defense

If you think he could have "walked in" you are sadly mistaken...

Nope still see the same lane. At MINIMUM, there’s room to step up and keep his eyes up

Not to mention he has 5 yards to move or run up till the line of scrimmage so one of those doubling obj would have to break off and defend giving obj both single coverage and inside position

The same play being mentioned (when Baker scrambled backwards)

When I watched the Cardinals game earlier, QB Kyler Murray kept doing the same (I think he was sacked 9 times)...and they noted a rookie mistake is to run backwards, and it's too easy on the defense (they just chase)...and pins your OT's into looking bad (as thats where they drive their opponent to) Looks like Baker didn't get the memo as well.

He could and should have stepped up in the pocket. But there's no way he could have "walked" into the endzone. Very very slim chance he'd make it running, either. It just wasn't there.

walked is just hyperbole for the fact it was an easy play but I think If he steps up, or tries to run it the chance to score there goes up exponentially. And with a well timed pump who knows it could get in

Can't blame him. Control your own destiny. He witnessed first hand how it went bad when his predecessor let someone else call the offense.

I blame him. Part of leading a team is putting the right people in place to delegate responsibility to. If he doesnt trust Monken to call the plays then Monken needs to be replaced with someone he does trust.

Yeah, the offense was GREAT when Hue was calling the plays... lmao Kitchens wants to call the plays and run the air-raid? Great. When we are 1-5 at the bye and looking at the Patriots the next game I wonder if he will survive? Because I can see the Haslams wanting to pull the plug. You think we will beat any of the upcoming teams playing like this? We could very easily be 1-6 before we play Denver and that's IN Denver so who knows what could happen... This season is about to get REALLY ugly if our HC doesn't get his stuff together. I don't care what he does, but he better do SOMETHING and FAST! Or it's his ass.