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No thank you (to the SF offensive coaches). That offense is 100% pure Shanny. No need to promote the people that bring him his coffee.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Hiring andy reids OC is like hiring BB defensive coordinator...they aren't going to be successful.. I think this time around you pass on everyone that doesn't have HC track record... you have to know what you are getting. McCarthy, Caldwell, Gruden, or even Del Rio..but get a guy you can look at experience..McCarthy is the no brainer here. Marty diciple, offensive guru, 3 losing seasons in 13 years and won 135 games...I'm not even sure why this is debatable, usually guys like this don't last long on the market. He has same winning percentage as Andy Reid and a better playoff record than Reid...how many people wouldn't mind Reid coming here? Oh and he's never lost to the browns..lol
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The problem with "proven head coaching experience" is that that's a nicer way of saying "is available because they got fired for sucking". They're available (some available for the nth time now) for a reason, and those reasons are usually good ones.
I'm not saying that we should cancel anyone that has already been a HC in the NFL, but I just get so annoyed at posts saying, "we need someone with proven experience" as if that's the magical mystery ingredient we've been missing this whole time.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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The problem with "proven head coaching experience" is that that's a nicer way of saying "is available because they got fired for sucking". They're available (some available for the nth time now) for a reason, and those reasons are usually good ones.
I'm not saying that we should cancel anyone that has already been a HC in the NFL, but I just get so annoyed at posts saying, "we need someone with proven experience" as if that's the magical mystery ingredient we've been missing this whole time. Exactly! They ALL suck at some point!
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The problem with "proven head coaching experience" is that that's a nicer way of saying "is available because they got fired for sucking". They're available (some available for the nth time now) for a reason, and those reasons are usually good ones.
I'm not saying that we should cancel anyone that has already been a HC in the NFL, but I just get so annoyed at posts saying, "we need someone with proven experience" as if that's the magical mystery ingredient we've been missing this whole time. Exactly! They ALL suck at some point! They're just as much of a crapshoot as the super-green college guys.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Hawkins is a smart guy ... I'd take him at his word. Trouble is - do you take an uber talented offensive guy and then give him the whole team to run and manage? If we went that sort of route we'd need a superb D coordinator that we just left the whol D to run.
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Well, now I feel kinda dumb for my post 1 up from this...
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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They're just as much of a crapshoot as the super-green college guys.
I disagree - not necessarily because of the talent/ability side of things - but because of the magnitude of the job, understanding the subtleties of the job, appreciating how important and how much time media commitments take. I think it's much easier to be a leader of your team when you already appreciate how big the job is. jmo
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The problem with "proven head coaching experience" is that that's a nicer way of saying "is available because they got fired for sucking". They're available (some available for the nth time now) for a reason, and those reasons are usually good ones.
I'm not saying that we should cancel anyone that has already been a HC in the NFL, but I just get so annoyed at posts saying, "we need someone with proven experience" as if that's the magical mystery ingredient we've been missing this whole time. Thats silly, sometimes coaches just need to move on..Bill was fired twice...so I guess NE shouldn't have hired him, Philly fired Reid, how many times has Parcells been fired? Hell even the great Paul Brown was fired, Coughlin, the list goes on and on...so yeah just because they got fired doesnt mean they sucked. Sometimes you can be good and not a good fit to the direction the FO wants. Thats exactly what happened to McCarthy, the FO let douchebag Rodgers push out McCarthy because McCarthy wanted douchebag to run the plays he called. Well Rodgers got his wish and the offense is worse this year.
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McDaniels is the only guy who used Tebow talents correctly. I’d be good if the Browns went with him as HC. Discipline is what’s missing imo.
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Well, now I feel kinda dumb for my post 1 up from this...
Well I would have said exactly the same thing and *assumed* SF was all Shany too.
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The problem with "proven head coaching experience" is that that's a nicer way of saying "is available because they got fired for sucking". They're available (some available for the nth time now) for a reason, and those reasons are usually good ones.
I'm not saying that we should cancel anyone that has already been a HC in the NFL, but I just get so annoyed at posts saying, "we need someone with proven experience" as if that's the magical mystery ingredient we've been missing this whole time. Counterpoint: Bill Belichik was fired and re-hired and has done pretty well. Tom Coughlin fired by Jags went on to win Super Bowl with NYG John Fox canned in Carolina and won SB with Denver Pete Carroll was fired twice (NYJ and NE) and went on to win SB with SEA Andy Reid fired in Philly and continues to put KC in position to win SB All coaches get fired at some point. Also, failing is ok and can be opportunity to grow as an individual.
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McDaniels is the only guy who used Tebow talents correctly. I’d be good if the Browns went with him as HC. Discipline is what’s missing imo. That was Mike McCoy.
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The problem with "proven head coaching experience" is that that's a nicer way of saying "is available because they got fired for sucking". They're available (some available for the nth time now) for a reason, and those reasons are usually good ones.
I'm not saying that we should cancel anyone that has already been a HC in the NFL, but I just get so annoyed at posts saying, "we need someone with proven experience" as if that's the magical mystery ingredient we've been missing this whole time. Thats silly, sometimes coaches just need to move on..Bill was fired twice...so I guess NE shouldn't have hired him, Philly fired Reid, how many times has Parcells been fired? Hell even the great Paul Brown was fired, Coughlin, the list goes on and on...so yeah just because they got fired doesnt mean they sucked. Sometimes you can be good and not a good fit to the direction the FO wants. Thats exactly what happened to McCarthy, the FO let douchebag Rodgers push out McCarthy because McCarthy wanted douchebag to run the plays he called. Well Rodgers got his wish and the offense is worse this year. Exactly. McCarthy "sucked" his way to a career .618 record, 10 playoff wins and a Super Bowl. Definitely don't need THAT level of sucktitude around here. Let's hire someone who's a good Coordinator and hope the Peter Principle doesn't come back to bite us yet again.
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McDaniels is the only guy who used Tebow talents correctly. I’d be good if the Browns went with him as HC. Discipline is what’s missing imo. If the Browns were fortunate enough to land Josh McDaniels, ownership should help him set the franchise up the way he wants...if that means McD wants to bring in his own GM, ownership should make it happen...
...then ownership should get out of the way and allow the man and his team to develop.
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God I don't understand the Mcdaniels love...dude has failed every single position that wasn't at NE
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... Haslams like shinny , bright , glittery , new Toys , ie Josh McDaniels !
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The problem with "proven head coaching experience" is that that's a nicer way of saying "is available because they got fired for sucking". They're available (some available for the nth time now) for a reason, and those reasons are usually good ones.
I'm not saying that we should cancel anyone that has already been a HC in the NFL, but I just get so annoyed at posts saying, "we need someone with proven experience" as if that's the magical mystery ingredient we've been missing this whole time. Exactly! They ALL suck at some point! your wrong. You see, when you have a team ready to win NOW, with talent - you want a coach that has been there before. When you ZERO culture - you want a coach that can BRING culture, and a CULTURE of winning. WE don't have anyone that knows how to win, knows how to practice to win, or knows what it takes to do things to win. THATS WHY we need a HC with experience. If you have a team of Vets guys, that have been there done that, you can get away with a young guy that doesn't have experience. We don't have that.
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This net the Browns are casting is so Browns.
The Browns need a leader and delegator with connections who will assemble a good staff. Identify that guy (McCarthy), throw in a few token interviews, and let's get the show on the road.
The Browns are so Browns. They'll screw this up.
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McCarthy would come here and have a very familar staff with Dorsey, Wolf, Hightower(hopefully), campen and blasko. It literally is a perfect scenario to get this on the right track... So I firmly believe Haslam will once again make the wrong decision and we will be back doing this again in a year or two
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This net the Browns are casting is so Browns.
The Browns need a leader and delegator with connections who will assemble a good staff. Identify that guy (McCarthy), throw in a few token interviews, and let's get the show on the road.
The Browns are so Browns. They'll screw this up. the fact that McCarthy built a staff a year ago and they've been working M-F for a year developing means he's literally ready to turn on the lights and get to work now.
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This net the Browns are casting is so Browns.
The Browns need a leader and delegator with connections who will assemble a good staff. Identify that guy (McCarthy), throw in a few token interviews, and let's get the show on the road.
The Browns are so Browns. They'll screw this up. I'm getting that feeling too. McCarthy is the perfect guy for this job. He's got the experience and track record to really command the locker-room and give the team the head-coach thye need. He's worked his butt off this past year, even when unemployed to become a better coach. I hope he could pass down that type of dedication to Baker, et al. And he's got previous ties with most of the Front Office, so he could likely slide into the current structure without much upheaval. But no. Just like last year, we'll probably try to catch lightning in a bottle, when the solid choice is right there for the taking.
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God I don't understand the Mcdaniels love...dude has failed every single position that wasn't at NE All 1 of them ... *LOL* ...
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This net the Browns are casting is so Browns.
The Browns need a leader and delegator with connections who will assemble a good staff. Identify that guy (McCarthy), throw in a few token interviews, and let's get the show on the road.
The Browns are so Browns. They'll screw this up. I'm getting that feeling too. McCarthy is the perfect guy for this job. He's got the experience and track record to really command the locker-room and give the team the head-coach thye need. He's worked his butt off this past year, even when unemployed to become a better coach. I hope he could pass down that type of dedication to Baker, et al. And he's got previous ties with most of the Front Office, so he could likely slide into the current structure without much upheaval. But no. Just like last year, we'll probably try to catch lightning in a bottle, when the solid choice is right there for the taking. One of the blurbs about McCarthy above mentioned how he was interested in analytics and believed they needed to be taken more seriously. Sounds like he’s a great fit philosophically, but I don’t think Dorsey is exactly of the same mind? I wonder how that would work out?
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God I don't understand the Mcdaniels love...dude has failed every single position that wasn't at NE All 1 of them ... *LOL* ... hahah. My picks 1. McCarthy 2. McDaniels
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I think at this point mine are
1. McCarthy 2. Riverboat Ron
3. I don't know anything about any of the unproven HC's to speak intelligently about them.
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I think at this point mine are
1. McCarthy 2. Riverboat Ron
3. I don't know anything about any of the unproven HC's to speak intelligently about them. Ron is done deal in Washington.
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I think at this point mine are
1. McCarthy 2. Riverboat Ron
3. I don't know anything about any of the unproven HC's to speak intelligently about them. Ron is done deal in Washington. well... looks like we only have 1 option
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God I don't understand the Mcdaniels love...dude has failed every single position that wasn't at NE All 1 of them ... *LOL* ... McDaniels was also the OC of the St. Louis Rams after his HC stint in Denver.
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God I don't understand the Mcdaniels love...dude has failed every single position that wasn't at NE All 1 of them ... *LOL* ... *LOL* 2... Denver and St. louis..but please don't let facts get in the way of your laughter...like I do when you call Dorsey king..
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I think at this point mine are
1. McCarthy 2. Riverboat Ron
3. I don't know anything about any of the unproven HC's to speak intelligently about them. Ron is done deal in Washington. well... looks like we only have 1 option Wasn't it tweeted earlier that the NYG were tracking hard after him? Im highly doubting we're on HIS radar.
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I think the hope and expectation is that they can learn from their past experiences. I think the interview process has to be for assessing that. What would they do differently? Have they ever thought it out with any detail, are they even the type to review and revise? Lots of men, especially in sports, are the type to sink their heels and just push harder down the course they’re on. They take pride in not looking back and just plowing forward
Also, with some firings it’ can be because there’s a whole bunch of other mitigating circumstances. For instance I’ve read that having a coaching flame-out in Cleveland is usually pretty significantly discounted because there’s so much existing dysfunction. It takes some of the risk out of coming here, because everyone fails here. Point being you have to look at the whole picture, interview other people with perspective on the situation, due diligence etc. All that said, I’d still be very hesitant with Josh McDanials, lol.
Having past HC experience is not magic but it takes a certain kind of risk out of the decision. The kind of risk we got severely punished for this season. There’s a whole host of things operational and leadership-wise that I just deeply suspect you can’t learn without having gone through it. Cleveland simply doesn’t have the time for years of seasoning. Cleveland needs stability and strong even handed leadership, organization and discipline. I would contend much more so than most other teams. Going totally green was a colossally stupid move last year. That’s really what makes me question the decision making of this FO in general. Like, what the hell were they thinking going with Kitchens last year with a rookie QB, the 2nd youngest team in the league and.... its Cleveland, the recent history, the expectations etc. We need very VERY sure footedness this time around. I wouldn’t make NFL head coaching experience mandatory but if they don’t have it I’d need a lot of assurance that this was the guy. It would be a very long and detailed interview for anyone without it. And would include lots of outside due diligence.
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God I don't understand the Mcdaniels love...dude has failed every single position that wasn't at NE All 1 of them ... *LOL* ... hahah. My picks 1. McCarthy 2. McDaniels McDonalds
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If by some dumb set of circumstances we pick McDaniels, I sure hope we don't give him full control.
He hasn't proven he can coach a team much less control the team.
We need structure, we need someone the player will have immediate respect for, we need someone who understands what it takes and what they are getting themselves into.
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If by some dumb set of circumstances we pick McDaniels, I sure hope we don't give him full control.
He hasn't proven he can coach a team much less control the team.
We need structure, we need someone the player will have immediate respect for, we need someone who understands what it takes and what they are getting themselves into. The rumor is that he wants to bring in his own GM and structure. That's kind of why I don't want him. I'd rather not blow up another Front Office.
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If by some dumb set of circumstances we pick McDaniels, I sure hope we don't give him full control.
He hasn't proven he can coach a team much less control the team.
We need structure, we need someone the player will have immediate respect for, we need someone who understands what it takes and what they are getting themselves into. The rumor is that he wants to bring in his own GM and structure. That's kind of why I don't want him. I'd rather not blow up another Front Office. yeah, and that would be why I wouldn't want him, if we brought him in to just coach, I could get on board and back him, but if we bring him in and give him the whole ship, I will just shake my head in disbelief.
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