DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Depodesta needs to GO...

Do u watch the games on Sunday? ... *L* ...

I think its arrogant that U think Depo in 4 years knows as much as guys that been doing it for 20 - 30 years ... actually I’d call that stupid .... experience count for nothing? ...

I wonder what analytics says about that ... *L*

Yeah as really think that it is about Scouting. As well as having experience. That as in NFL experience. Knowing what you do and been there and done that. Yeah Depodesta may had made some mistakes. But just let him do his job for the time being.

He's just chapped because his football guy couldn't get the big decisions right. Dorsey could have been good had he learned from his KC mistakes. He wouldn't listen to anybody.

Depo wasn't working behind the scenes, Dorsey was. His comment about those guys didn't bring in football players....well Depo was the butt of that comment. Dorsey didn't like the fact Haslam values Depos opinion. Dorsey couldn't have another voice in the room. It's why he hired Freddie. He could control him.

Dorsey got fired from KC because he couldn't get along with another football guy...the coach.

The truth is surfacing...and in the truth, Depo remains and Dorsey is gone.

I think Dorsey made good decisions. I also think he was a tool.

As far as DePodesta:

I agree with all of that. Dorsey was a good scout. I don't want Depo doing much more than what he does.

I am not advocating that Depo become the new commander-in-chief.

He is a process guy. Let him run the process. I am not looking for him to be the next GM or super scout making the draft selections.

I just think his voice is important and needs to be valued. Dorsey didn't value his opinion at all.

Look at who is still here and who is gone. A smart person who see's the owner values Depos opinion would try to at least act like he valued the opinion rather than demean the guy.

That is office politics 101. You can't be a manager if you can't manage your way around the office, let alone the building of a billion+ dollar business.

You have to have some skills above and beyond being able to scout a guard prospect.

Dorsey was fired from two straight jobs were he did a pretty good job at accumulating talent. That tells us something about Dorsey the person.

Dorsey is best suited in a scout type role and not as a manager (and not just b/c of his people skills or lack thereof), clearly.

Dorsey brought in some nice talented pieces, no doubt. He has no idea how to put it all together.

Perhaps Dorsey has character flaws, but when you aimlessly acquire players and go rogue and draft players the organization doesn't agree on, that's a problem. That's Dorsey.

So is his scouting "machinery" still in place for us? He did a good job of looking under the rocks overall.

Browns have had problems in the front office since 99.. It's not Depo.

Oh high and mighty one - - - please show me where I said or even insinuated that..... Oh, that's right, you can't.

Yes. I know there are reports about Hightower being gone or him taking over at Miami U as director of football or some such title.

As far as the scouting department, most scouts work on one year deals that run through the next years draft. Those guys are still out scouting and writing their evaluations.

The cross checkers...the Sr. scouts and scouting directors might be on longer deals, so all of that remains at this point.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see why you think he's gotta go. Remember, he didn't want Freddie...

What are these GM powers that Depodesta have ?





Mac... Who else is going to hire the HC ?





Not seeing any reward..Only thing I can make out of it..
Is Jimmy has decided to listen to Depodestos ideas a bit more. Nothing wrong with listening to your Strategy officer. He might have a good input or maybe not. Nothing wrong with listening better.

The ironic thing is that we are having these internal issues because we are NOT listening to Depodesta, not because we are listening to him.

You do realize we were 1-31 because we DIDN'T listen to Depodesta, right?

What are you trying to say? That you're willing to blame anyone for the 1-31 record except for person(s) who actually caused it?

The only thing missing from that post is "poor clowns, poor clowns indeed".

I gave you some props when we found out that Depo was leading the coaching search, but holy jebus.

No Mac. Depo is leading the process. Haslam is back to making the final decision.

I keep trying to help you here but you keep saying silly stuff.

Depo isn't the GM. He doesn't have GM power.

Mac, I'll give you one thing, you certainly have scorching hot takes. However,....

Note, how Haslam states DePo will be leading the proceess and not hiring the HC.





*I can't believe I'm bothering with this nonsense. DePo would tell me this is an inefficient use of my time.

Isn't, hasn't, wasn't, never will be. But for some reason he has become the focus of a lot of angst. I don't get it.

Are you talking about Mayfield again?

Just making more BS up?

Nobody, and I mean nobody has even hinted that Depo is in charge of the next HC hire. The only thing he has been put in charge of is the search.

Interesting.

I think the one thing that is blatantly obvious here is that Jimmy is NOT a cheap-ass.

One other thing... "moneyball" isn't about saving money and being cheap.


You're striking out all over the place...

I think it's time for mac to call Depo's lawyer and get to the bottom of this.

At the rate you're going, if they don't now they soon will.

We don't have to answer. The candidates themselves will do that for us. The only one who turned down the Browns is Matt Rhule and also turned down other teams.

I think Jimmy and Dee are fine and get a bad rap. Its clear they want to build a winner and they are trying to. I think they would love nothing more than to just sit back and watch the team be successful. But when you have billions on the line you don't just sit back and let it be bad, no owner would. His problem is he hasn't made the good hire. He thought he did with Dorsey and Haslam sat back and let Dorsey run the show and it blew up, so now he has to step in and do it again. Try to find something that works. As far as Depo, hell yes..dude is razor sharp and a process guru. He's a pioneer and one of the best at something the whole league is moving to rapidly.

I must say that I would rather have Depodesta picking our next coach than the Haslams or Dorsey.
The Haslams chose Hue against the advice of Depodesta who wanted Sean McDermott.
Dorsey chose Kitchens while Depo wanted Stafansky.
At least if Depo makes this hire the coach has a good chance of getting along with the analytics staff which seems to be the power in the Browns organization.
More than being a baseball guy Depodesta is a numbers guy who factors in all data to make the most logical decision.
Myself being a Browns fan for 60 years I prefer old school football guys to coach and run the Browns but I realize most if not all teams rely on analytics to some extent.
After all as Browns fans we have no choice.

They will now.

In fairness, the Niners "regressed" because Garoppolo started only 3 games in his 2nd season in San Francisco.