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Past success is not indicative of future results ...

At least thats what the stock dudes say ... *L* ...

I dunno.... we're pretty successful at firing coaches and I'd say that it's a very safe prediction that whomever we hire this month will be fired withing two years.

At this point I think many don't see Cleveland as a long term job, but more as a quick bank deposit.

This time around, I'm just not seeing that (unless we hire an utter failure, of course)...

Analytics would put the over/under between 1.5 - 1 3/4 years ... *L* ...

j/c...

hmm another former head coach

30.7 games is the average tenure.
Crennel is our longest tenured coach with 64 games.

(since The Return)

So, expecting whomever it is to be fired before the end of Season 2 is more than expectable.

I can see Kraft making a deal with McDaniels to take over for BB when he decides to hang it up. The Browns are going to put all their eggs in one basket and get stuck AGAIN. This is what you get when you have a incompetent, clueless dumbass for an owner making the decisions. The Browns will NEVER have success with Haslam owning the team. NEVER. Oh well - Go Packers!

Just to play devil's advocate, what will New England be when BB retires? They will likely be in a rebuild with a new QB, and others on the roster or a roster that was thrown together for a final run at a title. From a strictly roster stand point, the Browns have talent now that has a good chance of being better than what NE will have when Belichick retires. I believe that when Belichick decides it will be his last year. He'll go all out for a final shot - which could mean trading draft picks for players or paying high contracts, thus crippling future building of a roster. Just a theory.

I'd take phillips over everyone on that list too

He was pretty bad as a HC, but I don't think there's anyone better as a DC. Dude can whip a defense into top shape like nobody else.

j/c...

So , pit, you consider it a “fail” because you know way, way more than anyone else about who should be our coach?? Or is it just possible that he might not be the right guy for the job?? Maybe we will interview the next Sean mcvay, Matt nagy or Brian Flores. I am looking forward to the selection.

So the fact I like a "proven winner" with a SB ring, a proven winning NFL winning record and multiple playoff appearances holds less wait than "Maybe we'll interview the next Sean McVay?"

Yeah, Haslam has such a track record for doing that.

Just because I'm playing the better odds doesn't mean I'm wrong.

You go ahead and blindly support the flavor of the month. It's served us so well for the past twenty years. Some people never learn.

Why didn't King John hire McCarthy last year?

Certainly had every opportunity to. Instead he chose the Alabama Slama.

Hire him? Hell, Dorsey did not even interview McCarthy.

McCarthy was noting special, I think this board has begun to follow groupthink.

Did the Browns "hire" anybody yet?
it "is" forty after four.

No, McDaniels interviews Friday.

Actually, with the NE loss wildcard weekend, McDaniels was supposed to interview today.

Former Packers coach Mike McCarthy has signed a deal to become the Cowboys' next head coach, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero and NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

Rapoport later added that McCarthy's deal with the Cowboys is for five years.

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Friday now.

Let's put it this way, I'm not disappointed that the Cowboys hired McCarthy.

I think he's a decent enough coach though, he's 'been there done that' so to speak and the recent pieces that showed his reflection of past coaching experience and striving to better himself in the future did him well.

I think McCerthy started to look better in a lot of people's eyes once we all saw the damage that an inexperienced coach can do. I was "meh" about him myself. I'd prefer Stephanski but would be fine with Dabol or McDaniels

Since the thief took over only Hue has made it 30 games I believe ....

Not counting Shurmer .... up til now hes hired and fired 4 HCs + Williams 8 games in 7 totalseasons ... throw Williams out and to make the #’s easy we’ll say Hue had 8 games in his tenure ... that means the thiefs tenure for this exorcise has been 6 years + 8 games ...

6 x 16 = 96 + 8 = 104/4 = 26 games on average ....

Thats only 4.7 less than the total of when we came back ... that can’t be right ... oh wait ... the 30.7 includes the thiefs tenure so thats why the difference in average yer per isn’t larger ... *L* ...

Either way its less than 2 years ... and i was spot on with my 1.5 - 1.75 years as the over under ... i may not understand analytics but i can do them ... *LOL* ...

j/c
I'd have taken McCarthy.... play off runs and SB ring over an extended period of time ..... yeah, so "meh" ! Versus a 100% Gamble on a coordinator or a different NFL x-HC who doesn't have the record and credentials as McCarthy. I even see people saying Jeff Fisher who seems to spend a career going from 7-9 to 9-7 back to 7-9 eternally.

I thought I was okay with Stefanski - but looking at what he's done and been in charge of, he's a 2 year OC. No thanks.

Hoping for the best at this point - expecting the worst. At this point Urban might be the best option - and you hope he rights the ship in 2 or 3 years and then finds a successor because he never seems to stay anywhere for more than about 3 years.

Unless they go 1-31

Hiring Urban would solve my problem ....

I’m torn right now on weather I should allow the thief to continue “flicking” my heart or just cut ties with this train wreck of an owner ... hiring that POC would make it a no brainer ...

Always looking for the bright side ... *L* ....

J/c

Hearing thru some different avenues that Jim Caldwell is an intriguing option ...

Why is that? Because the GM is so solid? Oh, that's right, we don't have one. We don't have a front office. We are starting from scratch. So I see no reason to believe Haslam wouldn't fire a HC even if he was doing a good job. He GOT it right when he hired Dorsey and within two years he fired the best GM the Browns have had in DECADES! I can easily see a head coach coming in, doing a great job and being fired in two years. Less than a year ago a LOT of people were saying the Browns were easily a playoff team. Why? Dorsey's loading the team with talent. Yes, he made some mistakes along the way, ALL GM's do. Ozzy wasn't perfect either. He had a hard time finding the Ravens a QB over the years. Missed on some of his draft picks... That happens. Dorsey was the best thing to happen to this team and Haslam couldn't wait to get rid of him.

I see only ONE way forward that doesn't end in a dumpster fire in Berea. Haslam shouldn't hire a HC first, he should hire Ozzy Newsome as the Team President and let Ozzy hire a GM and then the two of them hire a HC. Ozzy is still a hero to many in this area and would get a long leash with the fans and media. It would take Haslam completely out of the equation and THAT would give me a tiny ray of hope. Of course, that would never happen because Haslam loves being in the middle of a crap storm every other year. As long as Haslam is doing the hiring and firing this team will always be a joke. Most of the time he picks the exact worst candidate. We now see that even when he does get it right and hires someone that knows what he's doing he can't wait to fire the guy. So even if a miracle occurs and Haslam hires a great HC he will probably screw it up and fire the guy in 6 months.

Of course! NO ONE is going to WANT to come to the team where careers DIE. It's Haslams job to entice the unwilling with a HUGE paycheck. There is no cap on staff salary. If JJ offered 7 million per Haslam should have countered with 12 million per and a five-year deal. If Haslam were smart he would hire Cowher. Now, you will say Cowher doesn't want to coach and wouldn't come here. I'd be willing to bet if Haslam offered 15 million a year for 10 years Cowher would be on the first plane to Cleveland. Perhaps even sweeten the deal with a small percentage of the team... 150 million is nothing to Haslam and it's a LOT less than a QB makes. But that would mean Haslam couldn't pull the plug in a year or two and reboot yet again. Something he loves to do because he is the one in front of the cameras and doing the talking.

People keep asking .. why did you like McCarthy.. Aaron Rogers didn't .. perhaps this story will explain ...



Jerry Jones is betting Mike McCarthy's second act will give Cowboys their own version of Bill Belichick, Andy Reid

Yahoo Sports Charles Robinson

Late Sunday night, after the Dallas Cowboys had wrapped up head coaching interviews with Mike McCarthy and Marvin Lewis, the silence of Jerry Jones was delivering an answer nobody expected.

Top-level college coaches were chewing on nothing but questions when it came to the Dallas opening. Do I have a shot? What’s going on there? Who is on their list? Meanwhile, the cream of the crop in NFL coordinators — guys who would be at the top of interview agendas — had nothing to relay but a collective shrug.

For all intents and purposes, the Cowboys’ search felt like a process that was ending almost as quickly as it was beginning. And from the camps of the only two men who sat down for Jones emerged a clear message. He wanted seasoned experience and a track record of success; he wanted an open mind when it came to retaining some of the current offensive coaching staff; and he wanted someone who came in ready to teach about leading a franchise from the front, rather than learning how to do it.

This is how Mike McCarthy ended up being the choice of the Dallas Cowboys. Because he fit the mold of the experienced offensive mind Jones was looking for — and had the résumé to suggest he could be one of league’s elite “second act” coaches.

Jones certainly knows that group of aging-like-fine-wine retreads because he has spent his 24-year Super Bowl void pulling his hair out and watching the second-act fraternity shape the success of his league. Consider: There have been 23 Super Bowl champions since Dallas last won a title, and 15 have been led by coaches who were on their second head coaching shot. Guys like Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy and Gary Kubiak did it. Tom Coughlin and Mike Shanahan both won a pair of Super Bowls with their second teams. Pete Carroll? He finally reached the mountaintop in his third NFL head coaching stop. Dick Vermeil? He did it late in his coaching life, while Jon Gruden did it early in his.

That’s a lot of success in the second act of some considerably impressive coaching careers. So why not McCarthy?

That’s the funny thing about this coaching hire. Even with McCarthy having won a Super Bowl, he’s not the sexy hire by any means. Not in an era when everyone continues to look for the hot offensive candidates who will further propel the league’s statistical slot machine era. Instead, McCarthy is looked at more as a product of how his tenure fizzled out in Green Bay rather than for an overarching record that was very good.

That’s how it works with retreads. Even if they’re good, the initial response to them is usually lukewarm at best. Belichick? His hiring in New England was a virtual car crash of negative media. Dungy? He was the guy who couldn’t finish the job in Tampa Bay. Carroll? He was an elite college coach who had been only a solid performer in the NFL. Coughlin was an obstinate jerk. Vermeil? Wasn’t he like 100 years old? And as for Kubiak, well, that was something along the lines of, Gary Kubiak? Really?

The point here is that second-chance hires are rarely seen as answers. Instead, they are viewed through the prisms of what earned them a pink slip at their previous NFL stops. The vantage is always tinted with some kind of failure or personality clash, because those are the kinds of things that usually lead to firings in this league. And the accompanying narratives are extremely hard to shake.

Look no further than Andy Reid, who went to a Super Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles and now has the Kansas City Chiefs primed for the opening of their championship window. Despite that reality, Reid still gets skewered as the guy who hasn’t gotten it done in his career when it has mattered most.

McCarthy will get plenty of that, too — especially after the ugly ending in Green Bay, which featured an Aaron Rodgers who had clearly become frustrated. But rather than talk about McCarthy’s respectable record (which is second behind Belichick in playoff wins among active coaches), we’ll talk about the offensive imbalance of some of his Packers teams. Or how the defense was never as consistent as it should have been. We’ll say he got only one Super Bowl out of 11 years of Rodgers’ prime and didn’t innovate enough.

There is a lot of fairness in those criticisms. But it’s hard to justify allowing those gripes to characterize McCarthy as a lackluster hire, especially when it’s pressed against the assumption that some college coach or NFL coordinator could have done things better. As much as we love new and unknown commodities in this league, the Sean McVays of the world are unicorns — and as we learned this season, even those guys can lose their horns pretty quickly.

Frankly, Dallas fans should be inclined to give McCarthy a chance if only because there is some logic to what Jones is seeking. He just spent nearly 10 years with Jason Garrett talking about how his head coach was learning and banking experience and figuring out the calculus of being a Super Bowl winner. Now Jones is 77 and not willing to go through another one of those decades with a college guy, or even a coordinator. Instead, he’s staring at a roster that is primed to be steered by someone experienced right now. And given that McCarthy just spent the last year out of the game holed up in a self-created coaching laboratory — rather than on television, like most guys — speaks to how much he wanted to get back into the mix.

That latter fact sounds familiar to those who know Reid. Much like McCarthy in 2018, when Reid’s first NFL head coaching job was coming to an unmerciful end, he was told by some to relax. Take a year off, do some television, recharge the batteries. Instead, he took the Chiefs job less than a week after he’d been fired by the Eagles. Not because he needed to, but because he wasn’t anywhere near being burned out on coaching. The end in Philadelphia wasn’t his choice, so why on earth would he let someone else make his next choice, too?

McCarthy was a lot like that coming out of Green Bay. Even with family considerations, it was still clear he wanted to coach in the NFL and might have taken the right opportunity last year. But the pieces never fell into place, so he put together his coaching bunker at home and prepared for an opportunity he was sure would come along.

What nobody expected at the time was that the opportunity would be the most visible team in the NFL, with the most visible owner — and a roster that almost every candidate in the system recognized as the most ready to win in 2020. Dallas wasn’t just an opportunity. It was a gift from the heavens. Complete with enough talent fitting McCarthy’s skills that he should factor into the postseason picture in Year 1.

It didn’t come without caveats, of course. And that’s part of what started leaking out on Sunday, following the Cowboys’ interviews with McCarthy and Lewis. Clearly, Jones wanted the next coach to have an open mind about continuity where it concerned the offense and Dak Prescott. And that was going to mean very likely keeping offensive coordinator Kellen Moore, quarterbacks coach Jon Kitna, offensive line coach Marc Colombo and possibly running backs coach Gary Brown. That’s a hell of an ask by a team owner, but apparently one that McCarthy was willing to at least consider as he begins the process of shaping his staff. It doesn’t mean all of those coaches will stay, but I’d bet the balance of them do.

Maybe that’s the fair tradeoff here for Jones. He’s willing to roll the dice on McCarthy with a job that was very attractive to a wide array of candidates, in exchange for some staff concessions and a mandate to win immediately. And in the process, Jones gets the experienced candidate he wants who has the track record to demand respect from the start. Someone who can hold players accountable and instill some discipline and maybe even a sense of urgency.

Dallas could use a healthy dose of that. Time will tell if McCarthy can actually provide it. Because this is where the measurement begins — figuring out if McCarthy is what this franchise needed, even if he’s not what most of us expected.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jerry-jones...-195912696.html

What is this garbage? You feel better about yourself trying to belittle a fellow dawg? Ytown wanted to stay the course. You waxed eloquent earlier in the season about how everybody should just wait for things to turn around. Props to Ytown for taking it in stride. Boo to you.

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You're that confident that we'll actually get someone hired by the end of the month?

I thought it was just a joke.

A big day in the coaching search landscape:
— The #Giants interview #Baylor coach Matt Rhule, a top choice for them.
— The #Panthers interview #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels, a top choice for them.
Both organizations could move to hire their candidates today if they so desire.

It seems like I’ve heard more momentum for McDaniels to Carolina