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Sticking with the process. Imagine that. I like it. In the end it may not work, but it can't be said we didn't try and hire the first schmuck down the driveway.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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j/c
Suddenly MKC is a reliable source? I guess she is when she says what you want her to say.
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Reliable in so much as what is happening. Not so reliable in her interpretation or evaluation of it...LMAO!!!!
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
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I like when people are selective.
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Reliable in so much as what is happening. Not so reliable in her interpretation or evaluation of it Sometimes that is difficult for people to comprehend.
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Ah, you just can't resist a jab even when it's a weak one can you?
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At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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I like when people are selective. You mean inconsistent ... I know it is very telling.
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If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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...which candidate has been best at drafting OTs?
If he gets that right, we can always replace him later and OL last pretty long.
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Hoping that if Berry is hired as GM he can repair relationships w/ some of the players from past regime that Dorsey had clearly given up on like Schobert/Higgins/Njoku. Those are types that have been let go from CLE in past & we watch make plays for other teams every Sunday. https://twitter.com/BrendanLeister/status/1216416985975750657
You know my love will Not Fade Away.........
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Hearing that Andrew Berry will be leaving #Eagles after being hired as #Browns GM
You know my love will Not Fade Away.........
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Hearing that Andrew Berry will be leaving #Eagles after being hired as #Browns GM I thought that might happen quickly after the HC announcement.
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I was never that impressed with Berry
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
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I was never that impressed with Berry Apparently they say that he is an excellent dancer.
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Hearing that Andrew Berry will be leaving #Eagles after being hired as #Browns GM
After being hired as #Browns GM, he would have to leave the #Eagles, no?
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Hearing that Andrew Berry will be leaving #Eagles after being hired as #Browns GM
After being hired as #Browns GM, he would have to leave the #Eagles, no? Perhaps his office in Philly is much more plush?
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It very well may be Berry, but I am not putting a lot of stock in a guy that writes for SI Maven, which is damn near a fan blog (The Maven side of Sports Illustrated that is).
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It very well may be Berry, but I am not putting a lot of stock in a guy that writes for SI Maven, which is damn near a fan blog (The Maven side of Sports Illustrated that is). In my best Somali pirate voice from Captain Phillips.... "You are all the journalists now!"
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Nobody would have been a consensus pick at head coach or GM.
Neither Stefanski nor Berry have held the position before being hired.
Both guys have resumes that would qualify them as potential candidates. Bear in mind Joe Judge and Matt Rhule were hired.
At best Haslam hired guys based upon "potential" as opposed to actual direct experience as a GM or head coach.
How this experiment turns out is anyone's guess?
All we can do is hope it works because that is all we have.
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Good luck to whoever the new GM is. He will be walking into the middle of one big mess. Paul DePodesta will have to approve any move the GM wants to make.
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Confirming @TomPelissero report that #Colts Asst GM Ed Dodds has declined the #Browns' GM interview request. He was more the Saleh fit from their #Seahawks days https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1216728715142553600I think this further shows that the final two choices might have been Stefanski and Saleh.
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Confirming @TomPelissero report that #Colts Asst GM Ed Dodds has declined the #Browns' GM interview request. He was more the Saleh fit from their #Seahawks days https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1216728715142553600I think this further shows that the final two choices might have been Stefanski and Saleh. I think this further shows that we picked the wrong guy. Ed Dodds is a great talent evaluator. I also think it has more to do with the guy would want to have say in who he is drafting, and not have to get approval from Depo. I am all for analytics, and incorporating that. But I think itll be hard to get a guy that has to report to someone or get approval from someone who is working part time.
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Good luck to whoever the new GM is. He will be walking into the middle of one big mess. Paul DePodesta will have to approve any move the GM wants to make. Hasn't this been proven as false time and time again?
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Confirming @TomPelissero report that #Colts Asst GM Ed Dodds has declined the #Browns' GM interview request. He was more the Saleh fit from their #Seahawks days https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1216728715142553600I think this further shows that the final two choices might have been Stefanski and Saleh. Welcome back Andrew Berry.
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Confirming @TomPelissero report that #Colts Asst GM Ed Dodds has declined the #Browns' GM interview request. He was more the Saleh fit from their #Seahawks days https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1216728715142553600I think this further shows that the final two choices might have been Stefanski and Saleh. Welcome back Andrew Berry. That does look like where it is headed, but you never know, as much as the Haslams liked Berry we don't really know if the feeling was the same. If I had to put money on it, I'd say 'yes' he is the next GM. Has anyone else (outside of Dobbs) been connected to the position? I thought the Asst. GM of the Vikings, Patton, was mentioned but I wasn't sure.
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Joe Schoen was said to be a possible candidate, but that was when it was speculated Daboll was still in the running.
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So we will be continuing the ineptitude of the past. Brilliant plan ... not!
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The Jimmy Haslam Effect...
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Is he weary or wary?
If the former, we can build him a nap room. I completely understand the latter, however, and couldn't really blame him.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Since the coaching candidates were told to choose people for their possible GM .maybe Paton is Stefanskis guy and Berry the " I could live with him" pick.
Kinda funny if Berry tells Jimmy to stuff it...
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I know nothing of Paton, but I'm comfortable/content with Berry being the guy. Kinda funny if Berry tells Jimmy to stuff it...
It wouldn't be shocking, at all, that much is certain. It was earned, afterall.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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But I think itll be hard to get a guy that has to report to someone or get approval from someone who is working part time. When was it said that the GM would have to get approval from anyone other than Haslam? Working remotely is not the same thing as working part time.
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But I think itll be hard to get a guy that has to report to someone or get approval from someone who is working part time. When was it said that the GM would have to get approval from anyone other than Haslam? Working remotely is not the same thing as working part time. If the guy hiring you is depo, hes your boss. This isn't an IT company, some positions need to be in the building. Football is LARGELY based and run on emotions, on and off the field. I am all for analytics. I welcome them as a great tool and we should be incorporating it more than we have n the past. But the guy making decisions that are going to determine the outcome of your franchise for YEARS to come, should at least know the people hes making those decisions for.
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But I think itll be hard to get a guy that has to report to someone or get approval from someone who is working part time. When was it said that the GM would have to get approval from anyone other than Haslam? Working remotely is not the same thing as working part time. If the guy hiring you is depo, hes your boss. Haslam is the owner. He is the one who hired him. This isn't an IT company, some positions need to be in the building. Some positions. Correct. Head coach, general manager, offensive coordinator, quarterback. Chief strategist? No. Baseball and basketball teams have people working remotely constantly, it's not a big deal. Football is LARGELY based and run on emotions, on and off the field. Part of systems thinking, what Paul DePodesta is an expert at, is removing emotion from the decision making process. Emotion corrupts process. Emotion is how you get Johnny Manziel instead of Teddy Bridgewater. But the guy making decisions that are going to determine the outcome of your franchise for YEARS to come, should at least know the people hes making those decisions for. I wouldn't put anything past Jimmy Haslam but my guess is that Stefanski and the GM will know who is in charge.
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Emotion is how you get Mike Junkin...
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