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I have a Cameo coming for you from Hue that says otherwise, Mac!

Then I have no idea where your confusion on the point was. I see you avoided the rest of my post.

He was with Hue Jackson, too!

Always got a chuckle out of this from when Giuliani came on board during the Hue Jackson era...

Guiliani is a relatively new name but he has been working diligently behind-the-scenes for Cleveland football.

“We give him projects. We give him projects, and we give him things to do. There is a lot of different information that he brings me. Some of it is really important and some of it, with my football expertise, I go a different way, but again, it is there. That is what I think is important. It is there for you to see it there and decipher through and make good decisions about the information that is given.”

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...-guru-49966800/

Of course.

We need to bring Hue back as our QB coach.

*whisperer

it seems like the Browns FO doesn't want football guys around. I'm not feeling overly confident in this regime, I don't have a problem with Stefanski so much, but overall, getting rid of football guys and going with stat guys just doesn't seem like a good plan.

what if the stat guys happen to know and have played football at the collegiate level?

Nerd football!

Update II: Assistant GM Eliot Wolf is parting ways with the
@Browns
despite efforts today by new regime to persuade him to stay, per league sources.

https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1222621435581095936

It's official, Wolf hates the nerds, too...

Frequent Flyer Miles. Hate to go off on a tangent her, but:

Good friend of mine WAS in the health care/paramedic training field. (training paramedics how to use a product) He'd fly, weekly, leaving Sunday afternoon or evening, sometimes Monday - come home Thursday or Friday. Flight, rental car, hotel, meals - all paid for by the company he worked for.

He's now in sales for the same company. Same deal with flights, rental, hotel, meals.

And we wonder why health care costs so much?

He even flew out to Denver to do training. Left here, via Detroit, flew to Denver. Drove to Colorado Springs to do the training.

His co worker, that lived in Col. Springs flew the same week from Denver to Detroit to do the same training for a suburb of Detroit.

And we wonder why health care and equipment is so expensive?

Okay, back to the topic at hand.

You found a Twitter guy who agrees with you!

I agree Hue was a garbage of a hire, but don't try to act like that regime was concerned with winning. They were not. 1-31 is exactly what they were trying to accomplish. The point was to garner as high and as many picks as they could, correct? Losing is a big part of accomplishing that.

Sounds like Eliot Wolf felt that same way Paton did. Could see what's going on and didn't want to be here.

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So basically he should have stuck with the "data guys" the whole time.

Unfortunately, impatient fans/football guys screamed loud enough to convince Haslam he had to change.

The "football guys" we've had have had trouble seeing the big picture. They saw themselves as the stars of the show. If they didn't instantly look good, something had to change. They made excuses. They threw people under buses. It was their way or you were ignored. Lots of lip service, little (or outright counterproductive) action. No matter the evidence to the contrary, they knew best, about everything. Especially the things they really knew nothing about, like "analytics." They didn't try to understand them or figure them out. They just ignored the data when they disagreed with it and threw it in the trash.

ultimately, what I am saying it goes before that - he should have stuck with a lot of guys.

Reminder:

Andrew Berry played football for four years at Harvard and worked as a scout for the Colts for seven years.

None of that matters once he is coined as an "analytics dude".

It is not.

So they did good!

Depodesta is the team president?

When did this happen?

Mac, great news, Berry is listed above DePo on the team website and DePo is NOT listed as team President!

Here's how it reads on the Browns official website:

Dee Haslam - Owner
Jimmy Haslam - Owner
JW Johnson - Executive Vice President, Owner
Whitney Haslam Johnson - Owner
Andrew Berry - Executive Vice President, Football Operations & General Manager
Paul DePodesta - Chief Strategy Officer

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/front-office-roster/

Jimmy is listed under Dee.... sounds like mac's angst is misdirected.

The thing is, this is the first time we've gone full "data guys."

Before they had a Hue Jackson-shaped "football guy" anchor, which they were against in the first place, dragging them down and trying to grab the wheel to take ill-advised shortcuts.

"Football guy" Dorsey got his "football guy" Freddie and it just failed spectacularly.

Unfortunately, our past football guys seem to have mainly got by on raw talent and aww shucks charm. Now we're moving into football guys who depended more on their brains and are willing to adapt. Guys who aren't intimidated by information and other perspectives.

We'll find out if we've got actual alignment, or Hue-Sashi/Kitchens-Monken alignment. I think this time there is a chance it is real. I'm waiting to see it before I swim towards "the Island," though.

More good news!

Start off with a false premise, reach a false conclusion.

Dorsey got Dorsey fired.

The Browns current front office:

Depodesta, Haslem and Berry...