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DEPODESTA is running this team...no one else. Stafanski and Andy Berry are nothing but yes men for Depodessta. I have a Cameo coming for you from Hue that says otherwise, Mac!
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Then I have no idea where your confusion on the point was. I see you avoided the rest of my post.
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There is a Giuliani on staff?!
I am deceased. He was with Hue Jackson, too! Always got a chuckle out of this from when Giuliani came on board during the Hue Jackson era... Guiliani is a relatively new name but he has been working diligently behind-the-scenes for Cleveland football.
“We give him projects. We give him projects, and we give him things to do. There is a lot of different information that he brings me. Some of it is really important and some of it, with my football expertise, I go a different way, but again, it is there. That is what I think is important. It is there for you to see it there and decipher through and make good decisions about the information that is given.” https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...-guru-49966800/
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Of course.
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There is a lot of different information that he brings me. Some of it is really important and some of it, with my football expertise, I go a different way, but again, it is there.
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We need to bring Hue back as our QB coach.
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it seems like the Browns FO doesn't want football guys around. I'm not feeling overly confident in this regime, I don't have a problem with Stefanski so much, but overall, getting rid of football guys and going with stat guys just doesn't seem like a good plan.
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what if the stat guys happen to know and have played football at the collegiate level?
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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what if the stat guys happen to know and have played football at the collegiate level? Nerd football!
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Update II: Assistant GM Eliot Wolf is parting ways with the @Browns despite efforts today by new regime to persuade him to stay, per league sources. https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1222621435581095936
You know my love will Not Fade Away.........
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It's official, Wolf hates the nerds, too...
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Frequent Flyer Miles. Hate to go off on a tangent her, but:
Good friend of mine WAS in the health care/paramedic training field. (training paramedics how to use a product) He'd fly, weekly, leaving Sunday afternoon or evening, sometimes Monday - come home Thursday or Friday. Flight, rental car, hotel, meals - all paid for by the company he worked for.
He's now in sales for the same company. Same deal with flights, rental, hotel, meals.
And we wonder why health care costs so much?
He even flew out to Denver to do training. Left here, via Detroit, flew to Denver. Drove to Colorado Springs to do the training.
His co worker, that lived in Col. Springs flew the same week from Denver to Detroit to do the same training for a suburb of Detroit.
And we wonder why health care and equipment is so expensive?
Okay, back to the topic at hand.
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You found a Twitter guy who agrees with you!
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I agree Hue was a garbage of a hire, but don't try to act like that regime was concerned with winning. They were not. 1-31 is exactly what they were trying to accomplish. The point was to garner as high and as many picks as they could, correct? Losing is a big part of accomplishing that.
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Sounds like Eliot Wolf felt that same way Paton did. Could see what's going on and didn't want to be here.
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Haslam/Browns spin when they do something that looks dumb. You can't believe anything that the Browns say these days.
Like every end of the year presser Jimmy has had...sorry I lied to everyone, but we are going to rip the team up again...sorry.
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Haslam is terrible because Haslam cant stick to a plan when it theres a few bumps. The problem with Haslam is he doesn't know what he wants - and is quick to change. I pretty much agree. Im gonna let you in on a secret - the Data guys were on a course, we might have actually won had we stayed on it. Agree Then, we went on another course (Dorsey), we may have won by staying on it. Disagree Now we are on another course (this new guys) and we will have to wait and see. Agree Hue and Freddie needed to go - ill give him that.
Agreed But he needed to stick either with the data guys. He didn't, he then needed to stick with Dorsey, he didn't. He now is back to the data guys - see a pattern?
What he needs is to give SOMEONE more than 5 min to build their vision. If at that time its not working - then you "blow it up".
So basically he should have stuck with the "data guys" the whole time. Unfortunately, impatient fans/football guys screamed loud enough to convince Haslam he had to change. The "football guys" we've had have had trouble seeing the big picture. They saw themselves as the stars of the show. If they didn't instantly look good, something had to change. They made excuses. They threw people under buses. It was their way or you were ignored. Lots of lip service, little (or outright counterproductive) action. No matter the evidence to the contrary, they knew best, about everything. Especially the things they really knew nothing about, like "analytics." They didn't try to understand them or figure them out. They just ignored the data when they disagreed with it and threw it in the trash.
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ultimately, what I am saying it goes before that - he should have stuck with a lot of guys.
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Reminder:
Andrew Berry played football for four years at Harvard and worked as a scout for the Colts for seven years.
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Reminder:
Andrew Berry played football for four years at Harvard and worked as a scout for the Colts for seven years. None of that matters once he is coined as an "analytics dude".
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1-31 is exactly what they were trying to accomplish. It is not.
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They were not. 1-31 is exactly what they were trying to accomplish. So they did good!
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Not a reply to you Fate.
Sorry but I don't get the guilt by association that seems to be going around.
The speculation about the role of Depo and the slander of Berry because he was here when Sashi was the GM.
Who knows what Berry's input was? I have not read a single account of Berry forcing a decision. The facts that he played college ball for four years and was a scout who moved up the ladder is relevant.
Stefanski/Berry/Depo could no doubt crash and burn.
But I don't think it is fair to assume that they will.
We have no idea how all this will translate to the product on the field.
Free agency and the draft are still yet to happen. Camp to follow.
I mean they deserve a chance to succeed or fail.
All this trash that these guys are garbage is BS.
I mean sour grapes from the past does not foretell the future.
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I mean sour grapes from the past does not foretell the future.
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Both Stefanski and Berry are more football oriented but it doesn't matter because they work for Jimma and Depodesta.
The best thing Berry could do is thank Depo for his analytics then do what he thinks is best for the Browns...
People argue that "analytics" is just a tool for the football people use to help them decide who the Browns should draft.
Just one problem with that sales pitch...Depodesta is listed just underneath Jimma and Dee as the President of the Browns.
Why would your analytics guy be listed as the team President?
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Depodesta is the team president?
When did this happen?
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Just one problem with that sales pitch...Depodesta is listed just underneath Jimma and Dee as the President of the Browns.
Why would your analytics guy be listed as the team President?
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When he got Dorsey fired!
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Just one problem with that sales pitch...Depodesta is listed just underneath Jimma and Dee as the President of the Browns.
Why would your analytics guy be listed as the team President? Mac, great news, Berry is listed above DePo on the team website and DePo is NOT listed as team President! Here's how it reads on the Browns official website: Dee Haslam - Owner Jimmy Haslam - Owner JW Johnson - Executive Vice President, Owner Whitney Haslam Johnson - Owner Andrew Berry - Executive Vice President, Football Operations & General Manager Paul DePodesta - Chief Strategy Officer https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/front-office-roster/
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Jimmy is listed under Dee.... sounds like mac's angst is misdirected.
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ultimately, what I am saying it goes before that - he should have stuck with a lot of guys. The thing is, this is the first time we've gone full "data guys." Before they had a Hue Jackson-shaped "football guy" anchor, which they were against in the first place, dragging them down and trying to grab the wheel to take ill-advised shortcuts. "Football guy" Dorsey got his "football guy" Freddie and it just failed spectacularly. Unfortunately, our past football guys seem to have mainly got by on raw talent and aww shucks charm. Now we're moving into football guys who depended more on their brains and are willing to adapt. Guys who aren't intimidated by information and other perspectives. We'll find out if we've got actual alignment, or Hue-Sashi/Kitchens-Monken alignment. I think this time there is a chance it is real. I'm waiting to see it before I swim towards "the Island," though.
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Jimmy is listed under Dee.... sounds like mac's angst is misdirected. More good news!
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When he got Dorsey fired! Start off with a false premise, reach a false conclusion. Dorsey got Dorsey fired.
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"Football guy" Dorsey got his "football guy" Freddie and it just failed spectacularly. Dorsey's worst season while in charge is still 6 X better than Depodesta's best year, in charge.
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