DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum ...Depodesta inherits a 2018/19 team averaging 6.5 wins per year, the 2020 goal, THE PLAYOFFS!

Sounds about right. I am now even more confident in my prediction. Especially because 6-10 is bad but not bad enough to draft Trevor Lawrence.

I would completely be on board with tanking for Trevor. I would take 0-16 this upcoming year if that's what it took.

Lose forever for Trevor!

Become an abhorrence for Lawrence!

I would be all in on Trevor Lawrence if we didn't have a bunch of other dudes on the team that are ready to win now.

My guess is that the Dolphins try to pack it in for one more season and use their cache of picks to land Lawrence.

These are great.

I don't know which one I like better.

Dolphins trade up and get Tua this year.

Panthers tank next year and Ruhle gets Lawrence.

Exactly.

Lions or Panthers will be tanking next year for Trevor.

I don't fabricate things.

Depo, Berry, and the rest of the analytics guys were here before and it led to 1 and 31. That's not a spin. It's a fact.

There was all kinds of in-house problems where they kept information from the coaches, got rid of players the coaches praised, and people were talking to Jimmy about other folks behind their backs. Wylie's comments in the Benjamin Allbright reports were very telling of the dysfunction in Berea.

My feeling is that there were issues between Dorsey and some of the holdovers from the Sashi regime. It's my contention that it is more likely that most of the problems came from those guys rather than Dorsey.

I am fine w/you not agreeing and won't resort to making personal comments about you to "prove" my point.

Have a good one...

I don't know who was at fault. I do know that Jimmy Haslam is to blame for creating these sorts of divisions. He hired John Dorsey to do a job but then kept a bunch of the people from the previous regime. That's not how things work. Haslam wanted to have his cake (Dorsey) and eat it oo (analytics). He should have been all in on Dorsey once he gave him the keys to the team. Instead he created silos.

Hopefully (my hopes are not high) this new structure will lead to a more cohesive organization with everyone working toward the same goal using the same tools and processes.

I agree w/that post. I was thinking about things after I made my latest post. It occurred to me that the forced marriage of Dorsey, Highsmith, Wolf, etc to Depo, Berry, etc was a difficult thing for both sides. It's not hard to imagine that they might naturally be at odds w/one another.

Haslam is always the core of the problems. The Seth Wickersham article was so enlightening on many levels, but I'll just use the part that addresses your point. It was amazing that there were so many people who talked to SW about how Jimmy would always be talking to them in the facility and encouraging folks to talk to him privately. It may not have been intentional, but it sounded like he created an environment that pitted folks against one another.

If you think about, each and every group that has been in there under Haslam's ownership has had embarrassing episodes of dysfunction. I don't think it is a stretch to say that Jimmy is the common denominator.

I don't know if this is true or not, but I wonder if guys like McDaniels and Paton didn't want their respective jobs after their lengthy interviews and learned what the infrastructure was like in Berea?

From what I can gather, McDaniels wanted to gut everything from the ground up and remove Haslam from the process altogether. That wasn't going to fly because Haslam wants to be involved (as is his right).

Paton is more complicated because of his history turning down jobs. My guess is that the combination of the lack of stability along with, possibly, not being the favorite for the job spooked him.

McDaniels wanted a structure where he controlled who was involved.

No way Jimmy was having that.

Jimmy is undoubtedly the root of everything wrong with the Browns. At this point it's not even debatable.

I'll also add that McDaniels and Paton were way more experienced than Stefanski and Berry.

But hey, they're on the same page so I guess we have that going for us.

Could be. I was just wondering because I think they both had interviews that lasted over 7 hours and then were out of the running. Seemed strange to me. Your explanations make sense.

The Browns boggle my mind. The lunacy never ends.

It’s fun, isn’t it?

The Haslams buying the team is the worst thing to ever happen to the Browns and Browns fans.

I really did not like Junior and was so happy when Haslam bought the team. I remember him talking of his time w/the Steelers and the importance of giving guys time to do their jobs. LMAO!!!

He might even be worse than Junior!

At this point, who gives a [censored]?

Out of all of the major sports, in modern history, Haslam's winning % is the worst .... even worse than Ted Stepien.

Right now, counting seasons 2012 to present, (and I give him full credit for 2012, even though he didn't buy the team until October, it was in process) 33-94-1. 128 games, and Jimma has managed to win just over 25% of them. (26.2% of game won .... rounded up) I have read that his is the only team in the NFL to not have a winning record during his term of ownership.

That really gives me a ton of confidence in his decisions.

By the way, prior to Dorsey, his record was 20-76, and his winning % was 20.1%. (also rounded up)

You go do you Jimma. It's your toy, and your money. Go be the worst team owner in NFL history. Oh wait ... you already are.

He was a partial Steelers owner prior to owning the Browns. Can anyone convince me he's not trying to intentionally sabotage the Browns to help the Steelers?

That’d at least bring some sense to the BS the thief does ...

Well, because at best it was an unprofessional thing to say. It establishes a level of disdain on Dorsey's part for what they have to contribute.

If someone who has already been briefed on what the Browns are working on, is brash (or arrogant) enough to make that statement right after getting hired, it's not unreasonable to think that he continued with that attitude throughout his tenure. DePo is the "Chief Strategy Officer" .. so not only is he responsible for developing the numbers, he's also in charge of the overall direction and plan for the organization.

Do you really think it wouldn't cause tension when the Chief Strategy Officer is saddled with Dorsey who immediately dismisses out of hand your contributions past and present, and makes decisions at best not in alignment and at worst in direct contradiction to the organizational strategy?

It still remains to be seen if Stefanski is the correct answer, but DePo was right back then that Freddie was the wrong answer. I'd bet that it didn't take analytics to come to that conclusion either...

I believe he wants a successful franchise, both on the field and off. I also believe he’s embarrassed by the record we’ve had since he bought the Browns, and wants to be part of an NFL team that is admired and respected.

I also believe he’s terrible at being an NFL owner and can’t organize a three-car funeral procession.

I agree with you Lamp.

U gonna tell us to breath in and out in your next post bro ... ...

Sorry lamp ... i couldn’t resist ... u just left the door to wide open ....

How does this guy know that? And the goof doesn't even know in football, they aren't called managers. If we weren't going to name Williams interim head coach' who was Dorsey wanting?

Sorry, that isn't a good article at all.

No offense, but I don't think that article is all that accurate.

Agreed. That paragraph is the only paragraph to suggest DePo had more power than anyone realizes, but admit that's based on an earlier report based on conjecture.

It's obvious Depo has a ton of power.

Follow the bouncing ball people.

He has a ton of influence.. which he should considering the position he was hired for.

But power? Those aren't the same things.

Please explain then how the hiring of Hue, but I'll just take more recently, the hiring of Freddie by Dorsey was an example of DePo's power?

What because we hired the guy he recommended? It took 2 years including Dorsey falling flat on his face with Freddie before DePo was listened to That's not power, AND if anything it should call in to question just how much influence DePo really has if it takes this long for anyone to listen to him.

Number one, I'm talking about the present.

Number two, saying influence and power aren't the same is just semantics.

Number three, may be Depo pulls this off and it all works. Maybe the Browns finally have the right mix and are successful on the field. I don't think many people will go on record saying it's an impossibility. But to even for one second think, after all that has transpired, that Depo doesn't have a ton of sway/pull/power/influence is just burying your head in the sand.

It's like the Usual Suspects line..."The greatest trick the Browns ever pulled was convincing the world that Depo doesn't exist."

Who gives a [censored] what mechanism they use? I mean, really, this argument is just dumb. Who gives a flying [censored] if they read the entrails of a goat as long as they are fielding a good team?

I wish people would stop this stupid, stupid debate.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Who's saying he isn't in an influential position? He's the Chief Strategy Officer. It's how it should be. My only beef is with these completely fabricated narratives that DePo has been wielding this weird voodoo influence over Jimmy and that DePo has had all sorts of unchecked power since he's been here, and that that the guy has no idea what he's doing

The whole “DePodesta is the Real power” debate.

It doesn’t matter at all what mechanism, or strategy, or scheme they use, or who does what in the building. None of it matters as long as the team on the field is winning.

People here are arguing about which bus is a better bus to get from point A to point B. It’s a mechanism, I don’t give a [censored] who makes the calls as long as they are good ones.

The whole debate about who is in charge is just stupid.

You're greatly exaggerating what people are saying.

And if you're thinking of mac, take it up with him. But he's just one poster.

But if you want to get into a debate about Depo's role in the organization, I'll say this...it's significant, has been significant, has grown more significant, and comes with a great deal of influence/power.

I don't understand how anyone who's been paying attention would walk away with any other conclusion.

Now also notice I didn't say it's doomed to fail.

I will agree that DePodesta has a voice in the operation, to what extent, I have no way of discerning.

They just signed the HC he wanted as far back as last year. That should speak volumes to anyone listening. They brought back Berry who was someone Depo worked with in the past. One thing anyone who isn't wearing blinders has to understand, Depo has more influence now than he's ever had before. How that plays out is anyone's guess. But we've seen a big part of this movie before.

I wonder how hard people would have hit the roof last year if we had hired someone from outside the organization, who had exactly 3 games of play calling experience?

Hopefully Hue has no power/influence/voodoo/cameos this time. He was the Jar Jar Binks of that movie. He ruined what may have otherwise been a decent film.

A movie filled with a lot of stage setting and getting things ready for the sequels, so it wouldn't have been the most exciting thing ever. But, without that awful miscast character, it might not have been the travesty it was.

You are right that we'll see how it plays out.