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Are we talking about a lot of Polaroids, Clem? I mean, I am retired, but I only have so much time available for this. Maybe I could just do enough for a highlight reel. I would have to buy a bigger computer maybe.

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How bad could any of our 20's be? No, really?


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Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
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It's pretty much the reason behind why I'll never run for public office...


Why not? I expect your 'transgressions' were likely of a lesser sort than some of those politicians currently in office...



Suffice it to say, I'll neither confirm nor deny the validity of that observation...


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It's pretty much the reason behind why I'll never run for public office...


Why not? I expect your 'transgressions' were likely of a lesser sort than some of those politicians currently in office...



Suffice it to say, I'll neither confirm nor deny the validity of that observation...


... naughtydevil, rofl. Probably best not...


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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
Suffice it to say, I'll neither confirm nor deny the validity of that observation...


That certainly sounds like something a politician would say to me. wink


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From the Van Pelt news conference:
1. He's going to work with Baker's feet A LOT.
2. He's not encouraging Baker to seek an "off-team" QB specialist in the off-season. Van Pelt wants to be the one to give Baker off-season direction, of course not directly.

I've never understood why Baker has his left foot so radically far back when he's under center. As a former QB, it would seem to severely restrict his motion to the right.

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He's not encouraging Baker to seek an "off-team" QB specialist in the off-season.



This is going to upset A LOT of people here.

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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
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He's not encouraging Baker to seek an "off-team" QB specialist in the off-season.



This is going to upset A LOT of people here.


probably not. because of the second half of what he said


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The second part has been said, but there is a contingency here that believes Baker MUST work with an "offteam" QB specialist in the offseason.

Baker is a hard working individual, even in the offseason despite what some will lead you to believe. For some, there's still a lingering hangover from the Johnny Era that we have to endure.


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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
Baker is a hard working individual, even in the offseason despite what some will lead you to believe.


Please inform the board of what he was doing during the off season last year that validates this.


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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
there is a contingency here that believes Baker MUST work with an "offteam" QB specialist in the offseason.


Never seen a post from those folks.
I've seen plenty from people saying that it is perfectly fine to workout with a coach outside of the team. I've also seen - and made - posts regarding strength & conditioning that your "offteam" coach can be a LOT better than the one on the team. In general, the only statements I've seen are ones debunking that a player is always best served by staying with the team coaches.... and that has not changed at all.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
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Baker is a hard working individual, even in the offseason despite what some will lead you to believe.


Please inform the board of what he was doing during the off season last year that validates this.


He got married last offseason .. depending on your fiancee, that can be one helluva lot of work .. rofl


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From Van Pelt:

"3. But Van Pelt said Mayfield needed to put his best foot forward — his left foot — when he is in the shotgun. Van Pelt said Mayfield has his right foot forward right now, and that needs to change. “That allows the quarterback to play with more rhythm.”

4. Van Pelt said he’s already talked about the change with Mayfield. He stressed footwork “is extremely important to me and Kevin (Stefanski). It all starts with the feet.”

5. Something was wrong with Mayfield last season. His completion percentage dropped from 63.8 as a rookie to 59.4, the lowest of any NFL starter except Buffalo’s Josh Allen (58.8). Van Pelt said 64 percent is a goal for Mayfield.

6. Does Mayfield need to be challenged? I think so. Stefanski likes his QBs to play more under center than Mayfield did in the past. He prefers to run more play-action fakes to running backs to set up passing plays. Van Pelt said the proper footwork is especially important on those short, timing throws that will be a big part of the new offense."

Baker's numbers off play action were better than when not in play action.

When you watch Brady and Peyton in the past run play action their play action footwork is flawless. Their fakes flawless in execution.

Baker has had three head coaches and coordinators and a number of qb coaches.

It would be a good thing to have a single message.

The plan apparently is more play action. Footwork is critical.

It will be interesting to see if Baker improves under a new system with emphasis on play action and short timing throws? Also with coaching that places a premium on quarterback footwork in order to execute?

Baker in the past has always had a reputation as a hard worker.

I expect him to put in the work. I expect him to be teachable and take on this new challenge.

I am hopeful that Van Pelt and Stefanski can get the best that Baker has to offer.

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Appropriate emoji. Since I don't do them.

That actually was pretty pretty funny.

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Originally Posted By: Halfback32
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Baker is a hard working individual, even in the offseason despite what some will lead you to believe.


Please inform the board of what he was doing during the off season last year that validates this.


He got married last offseason .. depending on your fiancee, that can be one helluva lot of work .. rofl


It was rough enough he ended up in a Cheesecake Factory parking lot!

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Good post.

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4. Van Pelt said he’s already talked about the change with Mayfield. He stressed footwork “is extremely important to me and Kevin (Stefanski). It all starts with the feet.”


There was this one poster who talked quite about about how important footwork is for a QB and how Baker should work on it during the off-season. He even said that when Baker was inaccurate on some of his passes in his rookie season it was due to some issues w/his footwork.

Of course, that poster was ridiculed [not by you] and was told he had an "agenda."

You are a sports guy. I know you understand just how important your footwork is in every sport.

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In coaching baseball, I always watched for stride length and hip rotation. A long stride usually tended to increase velocity, but limited hip rotation. If the rotation was limited too much, the ball would tend to sail (depending on other mechanics ). If the stride was too short, velocity would go down. You had to find the right stride, and hip rotation for the pitcher. Once you found that, it is a matter of repetition and muscle memory ( also depending on other mechanics ).


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Good post.

Hip rotation is huge for increasing power, whether it be throwing a ball, hitting a baseball or golf ball, kicking soccer style, etc.

You also mentioned muscle memory. I've always found that to be huge. It's hard to learn to undo bad mechanics/habits, especially in the heat of competition. That is why it is so important to work out on your own on the improving the little things.

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Sounds like you're trying to change your story. I recall you insisting he needed to work with a QB Guru in the offseason. You were not ridiculed for saying he needed to work on things in the offseason, you were ridiculed for making crap up about Baker not working on his craft in the previous offseason, and acting like he did nothing to better himself when you had no idea.

I don't recall anyone saying he didn't need to work on things in the offseason. That's more made up BS.

If you're going to attempt to belittle posters and make yourself look good, at least get your facts right and stop misleading people in typical fashion.

Thanks much.

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Originally Posted By: Halfback32

In coaching baseball, I always watched for stride length and hip rotation. A long stride usually tended to increase velocity, but limited hip rotation. If the rotation was limited too much, the ball would tend to sail (depending on other mechanics ). If the stride was too short, velocity would go down. You had to find the right stride, and hip rotation for the pitcher. Once you found that, it is a matter of repetition and muscle memory ( also depending on other mechanics ).



Hip ( core) rotation is imperative if you want to increase velocity, the faster the spin of the core the faster the arm can move through the throwing motion and the increase in velocity. A longer stride can in fact limit velocity if the twitchig muscles are limited in their motion and overwhelmed by the larger back and hip muscle groups. That's said, without that explosion started with the twitch velocity will not increase no matter the stride length.

It seemed to me that BM's stance was too wide when he planted his back foot at the end of his drops, that in itself will limit the turn of the core and create more difficulty in trying to gain power ( velocity) from the arm only, this is what will put excessive strain on the shoulder and elbow on a pitcher and while the motions are a little different the general physiology still applies. If a pitcher opens up when landing the result are pitches high and usually to the ball side ( right side on a RH). JMO


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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
Sounds like you're trying to change your story. I recall you insisting he needed to work with a QB Guru in the offseason. You were not ridiculed for saying he needed to work on things in the offseason, you were ridiculed for making crap up about Baker not working on his craft in the previous offseason, and acting like he did nothing to better himself when you had no idea.

I don't recall anyone saying he didn't need to work on things in the offseason. That's more made up BS.

If you're going to attempt to belittle posters and make yourself look good, at least get your facts right and stop misleading people in typical fashion.

Thanks much.


And yet, Baker pretty much admitted that he didn't work hard enough/take it seriously enough heading into last season. Also, dude got married last offseason. Common sense says he had other things going on that took up significant time that didn't directly improve him as a QB.

I'm a Baker fan, but that doesn't override what I see/hear. When you hear "I didn't think it would be this hard" from the horse's mouth, that should be pretty clear message.


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You may have a point if that's what was in question.

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If what was in question is the slap-fight going on, then yes. I ignored that.


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He had workouts set up with teammates during the offseason but I do think two things did come into effect.

HE GOT MARRIED that took up a lot of the offseason time for him and that transition.

He got mega TV Ad deals which had to be a distraction.

He will get back on track also remember this what leadership do we have on the team??? A rookie, A 2nd year QB in a new system and now a 3rd year QB in another NEW SYSTEM and coach. Remember we just don't have any stability for a young QB to learn this is how we do things here.

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Bro ,,, bake himself said during the year ,,,,

I DIDN’T THINK IT WOULD BE THIS HARD ,,,

Thats not a statement someone who worked hard would say ,,,

I think he will work his arse off this season cause he EMBARRASSED HIMSELF last year ... Possibly the BIGGEST piece of humble pie ever ,,,,

Here’s to next year ,,, thumbsup




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I certainly agree with you about the stability factor. Hopefully this time around the coaching staff and FO will be successful enough to be here for a while. It could only help Baker establish some continuity and repetition which would help any young QB.

And I would say his demand for endorsements has probably diminished some since the 2019 season is complete. wink


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You can work hard and still say, "I didn't think it would be this hard.

It would have been easier with better coaching as well.


Carry on.

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If what was in question is the slap-fight going on, then yes. I ignored that.


I am not part of that fight. I ignore him and a few others. I have asked them if it would be okay if we didn't speak anymore because it ruins threads when we bicker. I just want that to be clear.


More on Baker: Hey Diam: I think Baker actually said something like "We thought it would be easy." There were also the things about "taking time away from football." There were quotes about not working w/a guy who was sweeping a broom at his feet by the ocean or something like that.

I do think he should have worked on his mechanics last year and I think he should this year, as well. I don't care if that chaps someone's butt. My opinion on that won't change. And I don't like the term "QB guru." I like the term "QB coach."

The greatest golfers in the world have swing coaches. There are private hitting coaches. Shooting coaches. Speed coaches. Most of the greatest players in all of sports hire private coaches to help them improve and fine-tune their game. I'm not going to feel bad for thinking Baker should do the same, no matter what anyone says w/their personal comments.

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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
You can work hard and still say, "I didn't think it would be this hard.

It would have been easier with better coaching as well.


Carry on.



Ya, I’m sure that was the case here Mr. Mayfield ... rolleyes

U sure it wasn’t the overpaid ones fault .... rofl ...

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Naaa ...then I’d be a dolt ... wink ...




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I want to clarify something from my last post about Baker working out in the off-season. I was not angry about him not working w/a coach and his fundamentals last year. I just think it was a mistake not to. I think it will be a mistake if he doesn't do it this year, either. I'm not angry about it.

I'm just saying that is how you get better. I don't know how many of you have played competitive sports, but it's far more for most folks than just showing up and working w/your coaches. You learn from your coaches in practice. You also learn to understand what they expect from a positional aspect and from yourself. You talk to older guys and try to glean information as to how to get better at what you do. If you have the money, you hire a private coach whose freaking livelihood is centered around building a rep for improving players. That is how House got so big. Jordan Palmer's stock as a private coach has rapidly escalated the past several years. Players talk. They stuff like "this guy is good." Or, "man, this dude made a difference." Did you know that D. Watson travels w/his personal QB coach. It's not just about drills. It's about all kinds of things. Nutrition. Mindset. Film study. Nuances of the position.

It's all about gaining a competitive advantage and that is what most athletes desire more than anything. If you have not heard about this, y'all should research the relationship that Tom "Freaking" Brady has w/some of his support guys. He has had multiple guys helping him over the years and a ton of them have worked w/him AFTER he won multiple Super Bowls.

So no, I am not angry about Baker choosing to not work w/a personal coach, but I will express my opinion in regards to I think it would be a wise decision for his career while benefiting the Browns, as well.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

More on Baker: Hey Diam: I think Baker actually said something like "We thought it would be easy." There were also the things about "taking time away from football."


I've seen a lot of posts about truth and accuracy and being critical when an opinion is posted as fact etc. A lot of attention to things people assume or repeat without validity .... So I'm curious on this point. If Baker EVER said he thought anything about the NFL was going to be easy, then he'd go down several notches in my opinion .... That would be a moronic thing for Baker to say or to suggest. So the question is - is there any truth to this ? Or is this one of the speculation? Any link or quotes available ?

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Baker's various statements to the media last year isn't exactly a master course in how you conduct yourself with a camera/mic in your face.


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More on Baker: Hey Diam: I think Baker actually said something like "We thought it would be easy." There were also the things about "taking time away from football."


I've seen a lot of posts about truth and accuracy and being critical when an opinion is posted as fact etc. A lot of attention to things people assume or repeat without validity .... So I'm curious on this point. If Baker EVER said he thought anything about the NFL was going to be easy, then he'd go down several notches in my opinion .... That would be a moronic thing for Baker to say or to suggest. So the question is - is there any truth to this ? Or is this one of the speculation? Any link or quotes available ?

From September 25, 2019:

We expected to have success early on,” Mayfield said. “That is the frustrating part is we wanted it to be easy but now we really know. It is not. People are going to game-plan, they are going to have a certain strategy for us and we need to be able to adapt. Talent is not going to take us there, and we just have to do our job.”

He went on to say that the team needs to take preparation much more seriously...

We are very close. We are very close to putting together the game that our offense needs to have,” Mayfield said. “That is why we have to be even more focused on the little details. Details are what really matters.”


Sounds like an indictment of the entire operation. Justifiably so, we were 1-2 and staring at the Ravens. Four days later, we punched them in the mouth, 40-25.

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Wow. I agree and indictment on the entire organization, but man what a ridiculously stupid thing to think and a stupid thing to say. SMH. He better come back more motivated than ever.


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I guess I can see why a lot of people may feel that way. It seems to me that the reason is because it's not PC, though. Part of the list of "Things Baker shouldn't say ~ just because". I mean, he didn't say anything that wasn't true, did he? He spoke candidly, accepted his blame, and challenged his team to take a look in the mirror.

I'm fine with facts, just tired of stupid excuses. For a young man that has regularly made dumb and immature statements, I really had no problem with those ones.


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