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I would've preferred he got suspended indefinitely for being terrible at his job.

I love what Grossi said about Mayfield. He shouldn't apologize for it either. He is absolutely right. Mayfield IS a midget by NFL QB Standards. Furthermore, so what? who would be offended by midget?

I have never liked Mayfield, as Triple H would say "He is guy who is over-rated and buys a bit too much into his own hype"

He is a one hit wonder, he will never have a season anywhere close to what he did as a rookie. NFL DC have figured Mayfield out, He is a short guy with limited athletic ability and an above average arm...NFL has had a lot of those kinda guys over the years...some of them not as short as Mayfield, but Mayfield checks all the boxes for an average NFL QB...He is a poor man's Case Keenum at best.

Browns fans of course will cling to this bum for years, if Berry had any brains at all he would try and sign Teddy Bridgewater, and if he can then he trades Mayfield while he still has value. If we go into the season with Mayfield again he is going to tank his value completely and we will be lucky to get a sandwich for him.

You don't play as god awful as he did last year if your any good in this league. Last year wasn't a "sophomore slump" You have sophomore slumps, and then you got a whole other level of suckage that Mayfield showed last year. Mayfield didn't have a sophomore slump last year, he completely bombed! That was some of the worst QB play in the NFL in the last 20 years. He mechanics were awful, inability to throw guys open, inability to throw deep despite having time, and he was flat out scared back there.

He talks a big game, but in reality he is just a decent college QB and a sucky NFL QB who can't shut up and refuses to humble himself.

I pray that Stephanski gets ****** at his refusal to put in the extra work needed, and sours on him in the next month or two and ships is arrogant *** the **** out of here so we can move on.

There are many viable NFL starter quality Qb out there this year that would be UPGRADES over Mayfield that are FA such as:

Teddy Bridgewater
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Dak Prescott
Case Keenum
Ryan Tannenhill
Phillip Rivers

Yeah some of those guys are a pipe dream(Brady & Brees) but ya know...i'd take Phillip Rivers over Mayfield in 2020 any day...old or not, im tired of losing...I want to win and Mayfield isn't it. Rivers makes us a 12 win team with OBJ, Beckham, Hunt and Landry.

I'd also like Keenum he already knows Stephanski system, and had a pretty good year with the Vikes with Stephanski, and by all acounts is a good hard working guy that has had some success. Last year in 8 games with Washington he had a 64.5% 11 TD to only 5 INTS thats not bad considering Washington was a mess last year with no OL

We have enough talent on this team that we CAN barter the future by bringing in a guy like Rivers. We could very likely win a Super Bowl next year with a guy like Rivers, guys rally around the dude. He isn't done. I'd even go so far as if we could get Brady sign him, even if its only 1 year, who cares about Mayfield, sit down and shut up, we need to win before Landry, Hunt, OBJ, and Chubb are gone, the Window is closing fast and we don't have time to waste it with a bum like Mayfield.

An important focus for the #Browns heading into 2020: QB Baker Mayfield’s fitness and body makeup. From what I understand, he put on some weight last year to bulk up and lost some quickness. His plan is to be slimmer & faster this year, with an emphasis on being in better shape.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1232654295146913794

To little people, midget is their 'N' word. And that is the reason for his suspension, the F bomb was just a side penalty.

I think we all noticed it, but he needs to trim some of that weight. He looks like he aged 15 years on 1 year .... and when you start messing with body comp too much it can throw you off

Quoting Triple H?

Nice.

You're Tony Grossi!

From Summer School to the Super Bowl for Brady, Ryan

Matt Ryan and Tom Brady didn’t get to Houston by accident. Here’s the story of how offseason work with a couple baseball pitchers benefited both QBs. Plus items on Dan Quinn, the Indy mess and six draft storylines

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/26/matt-ryan-tom-brady-super-bowl-51-nfl-notes

Good read on how much these guys have worked with and helped some great QB's. Then there are those that are so good they simply don't need them.

Re OBJ:

I think Odell's injury affected his speed about the least of his physical abilities. It was more his ability to change direction, bend, stretch, and twist that were severely hampered.

OBJ hit the 11th fastest top speed in the league last year at 21.7 mph. That was faster than Tyreek Hill hit all season.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/top-plays/fastest-ball-carriers

Baker is not the kind of player that takes failure and ridicule lightly. I think he will go back to working hard to be successful. He now has a coach that will be right there with him and knows what he is doing. I have a feeling he will be much better this year. JMO

Jc

As the resident baker mayfield fence rider on this board, we have a new FO, new coaching staff, and hopefully better O line.

I’m moving on from bakers past comments. I liked what I saw from the interviews he did during SB week, and I have no reason to believe he won’t take this off season seriously.

People need to let it go.

On this board? People still have agenda and personal rifts from 10 years ago that infiltrate every topic.

We still talk about Sashi, like he's in the building for Pete's sake.

Bro it’s just that I was looking at the Vikings offense and....I mean hopefully all of us are in agreement that baker is better than Kirk cousins.

So I gotta think that stefanski might have the easiest transition out of any new HC.

He’s going from cousins to mayfield.

From diggs and theilen to Landry and OBJ

Rudolph to Njoku

And cook to Chubb and hunt.

Upgrade the o line, and we actually have a decent chance this year to be the team we’re supposed to have been last year.

Hopefully baker learned his lesson and looks at the Vikings O and gets excited and motivated.

2018 Baker was better than Kirk Cousins. 2019 Baker wasn't. We'll just have to see what we get with 2020 Baker.

I think that is a stretch. Baker might turn out to be the better qb, but I don't think you can say that at this point.

Cousins stats were far superior and PFF had him ranked 12 spots ahead of Baker.

Yet folks use to make fun of me for saying (give them three years)before you start passing judgement.

We thought you were saying "give it three beers!"

Oh come on that's only 15 min.

General reply to the "Baker vs Cousins" sub-conversation...

I do think Cousins was better than Baker this past year. I also think that Baker's ceiling is MUCH higher than Cousins. I would be really disappointed if I went forward in time and found out that Baker only got to be as good as Cousins.

Lastly, I don't think having Cousins in the Browns offense would've made a significant difference. Yes, Baker played poorly, but the problem was much MUCH bigger than 1 player.

I agree w/that. I think it is fine to talk about what the player is doing at the current time and to make observations, but it's smarter to wait until about half-way through a dude's third season.

I thought folks were off their rockers [or trying to win an argument] when they were talking about the HOF, multiple Super Bowls, and the best qb in the game. I tried to point out that a lot of QBs regress in year 2. Of course, that was ridiculed.

I also don't agree w/those who say that Baker is a bust. There is talk that Dorsey failed because he is linked to Baker.

I think Baker has a chance to be good. I think it is dumb to proclaim him a bust or a franchise qb at this point in his career. I will say that I believe this is a huge year for him.

In some ways, I am glad last season played out like it did. One can only hope it was a learning experience from expectations, attitude, maturity, self-control, etc.

Great article. Thanks for passing it along.

I wish there were more clips justifying the takes, but it is what it is.

I disagree with some points he makes, but overall I think he's fair. He's clearly in Mayfield's corner, and doesn't hide it.

I think he accurately communicated what was going on with a portion of those interceptions (bounced off/ripped out of the receivers hands), but I think it's a bit misleading to highlight that and not mention the plenty of passes that should've been picked but weren't. Also, he glosses over passes that were caught but should've been more accurate.

Agree...

I've said this numerous times, not only here but to my friends outside of here...




For those insistent that coaching wasn't a factor...




And I love and agree with this.

I'm actually with you on this. Overall, I think it was a good, overall fair, and accurate article. I also like that he doesn't attempt to hide his being in Mayfield's corner. I agree with the article as a whole even though I want to argue specific points.

Are you referencing the team, the fan base, or both?

There is no underestimating how bad the Kitchen/Monken marriage was. Reports out of camp is it wasn't going smoothly.


They were right.


I feel bad for John. He has to be kicking himself for those hiring decisions.

Coaches are hired and fired all the time. Hiring one bad coach does not usually equate to losing one's job as a GM.

Compounding the problem, Dorsey took a trash roster and turned it into one of the most talented in the league in just two years. Yes, he had ammo to work with, but he also made a lot of other great moves. Firing Dorsey was ignorant and unfair.

Bro, my point is that it shouldn't have cost him his job. Was Kiem fired after he fired Wilks in AZ after one year? Was Gettleman fired in NY after firing a couple of coaches? I could go on and on and on and on...

The problem is that Haslam never got rid of the rest of Sashi's crew and they knocked heads w/Dorsey and his guys. I don't blame them. They had a plan. I also don't blame Dorsey and his guys because why would they want to listen to a bunch of guys who made so many poor roster decisions?

Bro, it was a manufactured [not intentionally] disaster waiting to happen. As soon as the Browns started to struggle, you can bet your bottom dollar that Depo was on the phone from SD w/Haslam about what a mistake it was to give Dorsey so much power. Haslam took a back seat when Freddie was hired and you can guarantee that he did not like it. He sided w/Depo and company and forced Dorsey and company out.

We are now stuck w/the dumb guys yet again and the guys who improved our roster by leaps and bounds are gone.

I believe there's more to it than just a poor coaching hire and a few losses.

I get it. I wasn't arguing w/you. Just venting at how wrong I think the Browns were again. Firing Dorsey and losing the guys that came w/him is the single most confounding decision the Browns have made since their rebirth.

John Dorsey wasn't fired for hiring Kitchens. He wasn't even fired for the team's record. He wasn't fired/forced out at all. They asked
him to accept a change in role because his job title was General Manager and not just Top Talent Evaluator. They wanted him to stay top talent evaluator, but he had shown that he was terrible at managing people through both seasons.

It would have been great to keep him as head scout. He wasn't down for that. If someone is great at 1/4 of their job, but bad at the other 3/4 a company isn't going to leave them in that position if they want to be competitive. They're going to try to put him in a position where he can focus on the things he's great at.

We actually have smart guys now. Calling them dumb seems poorly aimed. Questioning Haslam is fine, but implying that Berry is dumb is beneath you.

Calling someone like Berry with his CV “dumb” is dumb.