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Thank you.

Let me ask you a question. What do you think the main key and/or 3 main keys are for the Browns this season?

Don't beat yourself up over it...I had him as the most NFL ready QB that draft class, obviously wrong lol...

As odd as it may sound, in no specific order and off the top of my head.

I think its key that we finally field a healthy and rather strong rotation (most notably upfront on the Dline) For many years, it always seems apparent to me we over-use our own players....to the point they are washed out in games. I never have figured out why this was never assembled prior. Perhaps it was in the works, but I'm sure the changing of coaches and FO tears everything down. As you know I'm not just a Browns homer, and tend to watch other games just as much. I'll just pick the Eagles as an example...The past several years they are like 4 deep at DE and ditto for DT...They can rotate in and out so easy, and always seem to have guys fresh or fresher through the game...A reason why their front can bring pressure all by themselves. Heck there was many times last year I noted Myles Garrett sucking air in the 2nd quarter...Obviously you aren't nearly effective when your winded or worn down. Obviously it wasn't just him, but Sheldon/Ogi were the same at many points. I truly believe this was a lot of issues regarding literally no ability to rush the passer, or preserving block and or gap assignments...Talent and understanding plays a role as well.


I think on paper our LB core is god awful. They will have to at least play at a rate of good-very good for us to have success. I have little faith in this group, and hoping they prove me wrong. If we are to do anything this year, a lot hinges on this group proving themselves as NFL starters...And I don't mean the Cleveland Browns norm (starters, because that's all we have there to play...I want legit NFL starters)

Obviously I can't go on any further without the mention of our QB and how instrumental that he must play much better this year. No more running backwards to clear space to see, thus throwing himself right into where our OT's push their defenders right to...which always resulted into something horrible happening. I for one, always wandered why that continued nearly all year. Baker has to improve greatly for us to have any chance. He has to do a much better job reading the field, and taking what the defense gives him. Obviously we all want quicker more accurate throws. If he doesn't improve greatly from the disaster he was last year, then we are bound for troubled future(s).

I will throw something else out there...OBJ. When we traded for OBJ, I have never EVER seen this board so happy. Everyone was on cloud nine, and there was nothing but happiness here. I was really disappointed by him, heck I had Kareem Hunt as our 2nd best receiver on our team behind Jarvis. OBJ is finally healthy, he better be rather improved in all areas as well...


So I would say our Dline needs to stay fresh and rotated to keep the opposing running O limited...Hinges on that LB core playing beyond what I sadly expect.

On O, Baker has to take big strides this year with one of his weapons (OBJ) taking strides as well. Obviously there's more than that...But those are the main things I want to see rectified this year. I think we have a great running game, with a nice Oline in place. Was hoping to see Delpit in that young secondary...but I hope they will be ok back there, FS is a concern once again.

Thanks dawg.

I’d take Rosen and his potential over Garrett Gilbert everyday.

Gilbert looked awful today.

He’s a journeyman who was in the UFL a year ago. Josh Rosen is only 23 (younger than Joe Burrow) and has been in two of the worst situations possible.

J/c

I’m surprised they couldnt get anything for Rosen. At the end of the day, he’s still a gifted passer and a top 10 type pick. I mean, I’d take him over Trubisky if I were the Bears

j/c...

Rosen didn't look very good in his three starts last year, but I still expected much more of a test drive for a team that seemed to be tanking. He still has a higher ceiling than many QBs in this league.

I expect that he'll get another shot somewhere. I don't think he (mostly his situation) fits on a team trying to groom a rookie. There is nothing he's going to do (or may be willing to do) to help... and many young players who feel they haven't really been given a fair shake seem to be too condescending to that end.

Man, it seems like the Packers are purposely trying to antagonize Rodgers.

j/c...

I read a quote from Flores just yesterday I think on Rosen. Said he had the best arm of the three QBs, but wasn't as good as processing information. It was brutally honest and I was surprised to read it.

Crazy what the NFL will do to a player. Before the draft Rosen was considered the least physically talented of the five first round QBs but the most mentally strong.

The two reasons I liked Rosen in college were:

1. His accuracy
2. Most importantly, he was the only one I saw who quickly read coverages while also making pre-snap reads.

I had concerns about his frame [injury history/risk] and how he sometimes trusted his arm too much and forced some throws.

I know.

I think this really speaks to the situation you are drafted into.

Inability to handle adversity.

j/c:

Arizona completely destroyed this kid from the start.

Keim surrounded him with worst OL in the league, one of the worst offensive coordinators (who was fired very early into the '18 season IIRC), and was put into an offensive system that wasn't what was advertised before the season.

Being out west, I never read anything about his attitude other than that he was a good locker room guy and didn't complain.

All this and the way the front office treated him with the Murray thing (imo) sealed his mindset going into Miami.

Anyone got the pass rush grade for Shaquem Griffin (who the Seahawks cut)?

Does poorly when things breakdown/he's under pressure. Kind of has a tendency to spazz out and chuck it. Lacks mobility to run away from people as well.

When it happens like it's drawn up, he's pretty good. Unfortunately, things don't always go as drawn up in football.

He looks good for most of this game, but there are a few illustrations of what I'm talking about here:

I watched that video. I don't think he looked all that bad, considering.

His line and receivers started going to crap before he did. He looked great until his receivers started dropping balls and the rush started getting to him. He started looking really bad late in the game down 20, with those 2 questionable decisions on throws early. Other than that, there were quite a few easy throws.

I'm not saying it was a good game, but if that's an example of one of his worst games, considering what was going on in Miami, I don't think it's all that bad.

I think what one has to consider, and as was discussed on this very board is what Rosen is. He is a pocket passer type QB. He isn't mobile. The very definition of system QB. That system would be to have a very strong OL and setting him up with max protection.

Neither of the teams he played with has anything that resembles close to that type of a system. I can't say with certainty that's all of his problems because I haven't followed the situation that closely. But what I can say is when he went to both Arizona and Miami I knew they were not set up in a manner conducive to Rosen's success.

Jadeveon Clowney is expected to sign with the Tennessee Titans sources tell ESPN. He rejoins Mike Vrabel who was on the Texans defensive staff for Clowney’s first 3 years in the league in Houston. The Saints, the other main suitor, made a very strong case. This was a close one.

https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1302377303268352002

At least it’s not baltimore

I’m tired of Clowney lol. I mean, just make a decision ... or don’t ... or at least media stop talking about it

Not really sure. I don't buy the processing thing. That was a strength.

I do think he tried to force some throws and he threw some dumb picks as a result. I also didn't see him making many big plays. I agree w/the AZ that he was in a horrible situation w/the Cardinals. I really didn't watch him last year very much. But, Fitz played better than he did. I wonder if he has leadership issues. No proof, but it might make sense.

2019
Pass Rush grade = 64.1
Total Pass Rush snaps = 80

2018
Pass Rush grade = 55.0
Total Pass Rush snaps = 3

he's nowhere near good enough to be causing this kind of drama..he's also not worth anywhere near what he wants.

Your worth is whatever you can convince someone to pay for your services.

Could someone compare those numbers to someone we’ve had?

And, you do not need to persuade and convince everyone; just the one right person will do.

It does seem that there's more than enough lather around this individual's soap opera. I thought I read that he fired his agent, might have been yesterday? Sorry, dawgs; I have trouble reading the small print crawl on the fly anymore on TV. Just sign something already. No longer al that, bruh.

The Lions are signing RB Adrian Peterson. Be interesting to see how the backfield work is split

Lions backfield for now:
Kerryon Johnson
D'Andre Swift
Adrian Peterson
Ty Johnson
Bo Scarborough

Swift and Scarborough have been banged up of late, with Detroit now leaning further into a committee approach.
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1302583824669380608