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McKinley is a decent pick to be an impact player. I also have a feeling that Phillips is going to be much improved. He’s got great speed and seemed to get better last year after injury.

Yeah, Elliott as well

Malik McDowell.

Schwartz

Kiondre Thomas Cb Kansas State,

Curtis Weaver DE, Miami dolphins

Brian Allen, CB, out of obscurity

Robert Jackson Cb, out of improving on the 2020 season

Sheldrick Redwine, S, out of

Damion Square, Dt, out of the Chargers

Tre Harbison Rb, UDFA from Charlotte, I think will look good as a pure runner.

Connor Davis, TE, With the most to prove, I wouldn't be surprised if he overachieves.

Emmanuel Rugumba, Cb I wouldn't be surprised if he came out of nowhere.

Derrick Willies, WR, I wouldn't be surprised if his former chemistry with Baker from prior pre-seasons didn't re-kindle and he looks special again.

Romeo McKnight, DE I don't know about a guy from 1 double A, but whenever he plays 10 snaps, if he's in the Qb's face 6 times, who knows how that may go.

Elijah Lee, Linebacker?
Elijah Benton, Safety? (Guys named Elijah?, ya never know?)

D'Ernest Johnson, Can you imagine, if he improved on last year, what that would look like, can you imagine if we came out of Camp saying D'Ernest Johnson looks like he's playing so well, he may need to take some time from one of the top 2 Hunt or Chubb, and it's not that Hunt or Chubb fell off in any way;
Oh man that would be a surprise, what would that look like, ( 5 or 6 breakaway 80 yard runs for Td's in pre-season? Whoa that would be a surprise.

Camp Surprise?
Cody Parkey makes all of his kicks between 30-39 yards.

Browns have a kicking competition.

Marvin Wilson DT, UDFA jumps ahead of Andrew Billings on the depth chart?

Malick Jackson as an Edge Rusher, ... Malick Jackson as the #1 D-Line presence out of everyone not named Myles Garrett.

Malick McDowell as making the team and being a front 4 situational starter.

Tommy Togiai, being overlooked?

I didn't think that McKnight had played 10 NFL snaps in his career.

I hope Njoku is a pleasant camp surprise

McKnight is a rookie UDFA out of, somewhere, a 1 double A school I think, I'm referring to his college snaps, and surely he didn't get a sack 6 out of 10 plays, it just seems like he did,

And that! could be fun to watch!

J/C

I'm just going to take a contrarian approach on this and select players basically because no one is talking about them.

Redwine, if the Secondary overall is improved as I expect then maybe we will see what Redwine can be, I hope for the best.

Andy Janovich, the Fullback was unspectacular last season. In Minnesota Stefanski got a lot from this position and I at least, expected more than we saw from Andy last year.

Damion Square: he just seems solid and reliable. Who knows?

Porter Gustin seems to be the forgotten man on the DL. He had some nice moments last season and was able to stay healthy. I could see him having a nice year as he actually got to focus on getting better this offseason rather than trying to get back.

I guess in the end, we could name all the 2nd year players and get one of them right.

For me, I'm looking at which of the depth guys are going to take/fill Hubbard's spot of 1st substitute and 6th lineman on KS's heavy formations. It's an overlooked but important position on our team.

At this time last year, it was Forbes that everyone was looking to fill that Right Guard vacancy. That is now completely owned by Wyatt Teller, who wasn't even realistically in the conversation this time last year, but Forbes definitely has an opportunity to create a role for himself.





This is a VERY important role... and other than Hubbard, I don't even really know who is going to be in this battle. Hopefully this is one the beat writers keep an eye on. The other five spots are pretty well locked in unless a young guy can unseat Bitonio or Tretter, but I don't expect to see that, at all.

j/c

I also look forward to seeing Michael Dunn. In a short sample size he was pretty good

Is Hubbard even going to be ready? He tore ligaments in his knee, and his kneecap was dislocated. That has to be a long term recovery, and he was injured late in December.

I could see him being ready by August, or very close to it.

Either way, he has an uphill battle and our swing tackle will almost certainly be someone new this season. I'd expect that he may be an injury settlement and release.

That would be my guess, too. He may not be back with us

I agree and hope to see a somewhat increased role for him this year. I like the guy. Maybe the second year in this offense will allow for a little bit of that. But, it could be the way we're going to use TEs will affect that.

I think a good chunk of this is no fault of Janovich or Stefanski, really, but more just a factor of seeing how this offense - with these players - runs best. Is it best with Janovich lead blocking, or do our RB's do best in sets with TEs to give the constant threat of a pass to the TE? The answer may literally vary from week to week depending on who we are playing and what personnel we expect them to line up with.

Another less organized teams roster had 6 quarterbacks on it.(Jax)

The Browns, have built a roster of 90 with pretty much could be divided into two parts, that could win 7 games a piece.
I did,

Tell me which group would win more games independently and which one has the biggest position weakness.

I will go with DPJ. I like what I saw last year and receivers can take a little time to put it together.

So I split the Roster in two, first thing was to opposite side Baker and Myles because things like this simply must be done top to bottom to ensure equal strength to the two sides.

left side

The Right side.

The left side O-Line + Left side Front 7/5 DL.


The Right Side OL plus Right side front 7/5 DL


The Left Sides Linebackers and Secondary


The right Side Linebackers and Secodary


Browns Roster, split into two, both sides pretty equal, and could win 7 Games imo, No real train wreck positions I think.

He will be, but as a team who can win this year, I think we will keep Hubbard and not trust a rookie or unproven guy in that role.

For that reason I could see us keeping at least 1 more offensive line player on the final roster then might be expected.

I know I have picked on fullbacks over the years, so I might as well be consistent here; I would rather keep Hubbard AND whoever else it might be we might decide to fill the role over Janovich.

Janovich probably isn't going to win you any games or lose you any games. Not keeping Hubbard or whoever else might not win you any games, but it COULD lose you games.

I don't care what coach says about liking a fullback, but a fullback doesn't have much impact on our O. The O line does.

Lots of good stuff happening. Lots of new talent/returning talent to keep our eyes on, but I'm going with Delpit. Sounds like his rehab has been going well, and seems to be on track for a full return during camp. Excited to see him out there. Our secondary could be elite.

Early reports have him moving well, running fast, and cutting without issue. Hoping that means he's well on the road to 100%.

(JOK is my X-factor pick on D)

With the nature of his injury, I'm going to treat any contribution from Delpit as gravy. He'd be the exception to a pretty well-established rule (regarding how long it takes to come back from an Achilles rupture), and so any sort of expectation on him at this point is overdoing it, IMO.

edit: wrong thread, moving to X-factor thread

Would any of these be a surprise?

Jordan Elliott does not make the roster.

The Browns place 2 young players with slight injuries on IR at seasons start.

3. There is a Receiver that will suit up game 1 against the Chiefs that is not yet on the Browns roster.

Not really in my opinion,
Only about as surprising as if the Browns would decide to trade up a short amount in a draft round to get ahead of some rivals for a player that is falling,
and also as surprising as the Browns would chose to trade down in a draft round to acquire a mid round pick the following year.

I think the surprising thing would be if everyone on Opening Day against KC is already on the team.

(Predictability will be the downfall, eventually, of the competitiveness of the analytics.)

IMO, not a chance.

He really brings so little to the table imo but I've been blind before.

I suppose the only chance (walking back my "not a chance" comment) is if he gets a significant injury and the Browns waive him with an injury designation. If healthy, I think he makes the squad easily.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/..._16748_35122817

Three Surprising roster cuts the Browns could make in 2021.

1. Mack Wilson
2. D'Ernest Johnson
3. Rashard Higgins

also mentions the shake out of Curtis Weaver vs. Porter Gustin vs. Joe Jackson
also mentions the battle of JoJo Natson and Jamarcus Bradley vs. Anthony Schwartz and Demetric Felton.

Key article point. Khaderal Hodge is (allegedly) better at contested catches than Rashard,, Hollywood Higgins?
Ahem!
What the heck are they watching!

Well I can see fans losing it if they cut Higgins. He's become a fan favorite the last few years because he has shown up on game day a handful of times. It will be similar to trading Duke.