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Some don't care about the Browns roster moves, I DO! That day was a bad day for the Browns roster moves, unpopular opinion or not.
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Didn't Lee make it back to the practice squad? So we didn't lose him.
Davion Davis was the preseason darling, but the WR room being what it is means we didn't have room for him.
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Yeah Lee will most likely be back and forth all year IMO
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Some don't care about the Browns roster moves, I DO! That day was a bad day for the Browns roster moves, unpopular opinion or not. Name which WR on our roster that Davis is better than. Also, name which LB we should have cut to keep Lee, who we didn't even lose.
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Some don't care about the Browns roster moves, I DO! That day was a bad day for the Browns roster moves, unpopular opinion or not. Name which WR on our roster that Davis is better than. Also, name which LB we should have cut to keep Lee, who we didn't even lose. Spot on! I like Lee and Davis. Davis won't displace any WR on the 53. I like Lee better than M Wilson...BUT...I don't think Wilson would make it back to our PS. Not because he's 'so good' or 'better'...just a recognizable name and a former 'surprise fall' draft pick. It's a good problem to have...one I can't recollect ever having...at least STR.
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In years past, our GM's would continually churn the bottom of our 53 and names would just come and go. They'd barely be worth noting.
Today, every last name on the 53 contributes and is valuable. It's a strange place to be, and definitely more than a little weird to be so worried about perhaps losing Player 53, lol
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I think the bottom-roster churn is still going to happen, but to a much less degree. The FO still needs to find guys (ex. Lee) that can jump in when needed. That is a never-ending task.
I think before, the churn was also to possibly find guys that could displace starters.
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I think the bottom-roster churn is still going to happen, but to a much less degree. The FO still needs to find guys (ex. Lee) that can jump in when needed. That is a never-ending task.
I think before, the churn was also to possibly find guys that could displace starters. To add to your and Purp's comments: We even have guys on the PRACTICE SQUAD that could be called up on Sundays and actually be active. Twilight Zone Browns-style...but in a good way...finally.
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I see the Texans have signed Davion Davies off our practice squad. Sorry if this has already been noted.
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Just a question: Earlier in the season we talked about how teams can protect a few practice squad players.
Just how does that work?
I am not saying Davies should have, or have not been a protected player, receiver is a fairly well stocked position and the waiver wires are usually full of decent enough receivers to replace Davies.
Just wondering how that works and when, if ever we might invoke that option?
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The NFL also added a new wrinkle to the practice squad that provides teams with some limited protections for keeping practice squad players. Teams can designate four players every week that are protected from being signed by other teams. This protection starts on Tuesday each week, so every practice squad player is still available to be signed to the regular roster of another team after their team’s game that week until the deadline on Tuesday. https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/8/31/2264...salary-and-more
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So, Davies was nabbed in between. Also, I have little doubt that his agent gave us a heads up to give us an opportunity to sign him, but there just isn't room on the 53 for him right now, so we lose him.
We have more good players than roster spots.
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Hard to believe how good we seem to be drafting now. Wow.
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Hard to believe how good we seem to be drafting now. Wow. Mostly. I am not totally sold our evaluation of linemen on either side of the ball are the best. That is college scouting. We seem to do will with the free agent veteran type players. It's still early so my comments aren't in stone by any means.
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I think we hit our eval of Wills out of the park, and were going against some engrained philosophies when we did it.
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I think we hit our eval of Wills out of the park, and were going against some engrained philosophies when we did it. Ok...a first rounder, and I don't know if it is out of the park or not. I am not going to even try to compare Wills to Thomas. That said, I would be surprised if Wills is select to 2-3 pro-bowls. To me Wills is a solid player, and I am good with that, but I don't think he is a top of the league LT.
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While I do agree with you, Joe Thomas was a generational player at the LT position. So IMO you could say almost the same thing about nearly every LT drafted since Thomas.
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I think we hit our eval of Wills out of the park, and were going against some engrained philosophies when we did it. Ok...a first rounder, and I don't know if it is out of the park or not. I am not going to even try to compare Wills to Thomas. That said, I would be surprised if Wills is select to 2-3 pro-bowls. To me Wills is a solid player, and I am good with that, but I don't think he is a top of the league LT. Do you mean Joe Thomas or Andrew Thomas (the "NFL-ready" tackle in Wills' class)? Comparing to the latter makes WAY more sense than the former. IIRC, early returns has our Wills as best of his class. But more on topic was our eval pegging him as a legit LT despite all the RT vs LT discussion going on. I'm not saying the guy is a finished product or anything, but to view a rookie (1st rounder or not) LT come in and start and play well right away as anything other than a win is not right.
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Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans. The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore. This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players. Chris Hubbard will undergo season-ending surgery to repair his triceps injury, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport first reported it.
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Potentially, and situationally, any Wr. except Higgins and Landry; but nobody would agree and it's old news now.
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Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans. The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore. This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players. Chris Hubbard will undergo season-ending surgery to repair his triceps injury, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport first reported it. Just a hunch but Hubbard might have played his last snap with the Browns.
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Probably so. The long odds he was signed again just got longer.
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j/c... Zac Jackson @AkronJackson Browns Saturday moves LB Anthony Walker from IR to active roster, as expected DE Joe Jackson signed to PS after being cut Thursday Standard game elevations for Jackson and S Jovante Moffatt https://twitter.com/AkronJackson/status/1446863238788878341
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Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans. The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore. This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players. Chris Hubbard will undergo season-ending surgery to repair his triceps injury, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport first reported it. Just a hunch but Hubbard might have played his last snap with the Browns. That's what everyone said last year,, yet, here he is again. But, depending on what they find in the off season to replace him, yeah,, he could be gone
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Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans. The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore. This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players. Chris Hubbard will undergo season-ending surgery to repair his triceps injury, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport first reported it. Just a hunch but Hubbard might have played his last snap with the Browns. That's what everyone said last year,, yet, here he is again. But, depending on what they find in the off season to replace him, yeah,, he could be gone Because he took a massive pay cut( about $15M, as one of the many dumb Dorsey contracts) to remain employed by the Browns. I suppose he could take another one.
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I think he is well worth what he is being paid. He can fill in at either tackle positions or G. I agree that if we can find a suitable replacement at a better value we will move on. But I think we could say that about most of our roster.
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Yes, his contract value now is better than what it was when he first signed. The unfortunate thing is he was generally bad when he started for us, so it's not like the performance ceiling is now higher just because he makes less money.
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re: Hubbard
His biggest value apparently is the unquantifiable "team leader" price tag, which doesn't mean as much to me as it does others.
See: Jarvis Landry and his $15M/year.
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Yeah, good point. I was a disappointed when I saw he would be having surgery. He is a valuable guy to have on the team, and no doubt Callahan made him a better player.
He also seems like a good person, from articles I have read.
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Lol, had to share this: Ricardo Louis is still playing pro football. He just caught a TD for the Saskatchewan Roughriders, if anyone cares. This is a good CFL game, a barn burner on the Prairies against Calgary.
Gotta give him props for hanging in.
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I've felt discomfort hearing the local Cleveland media proclaim all summer long the Browns as Super Bowl caliber and with the enthusiasm that it is a given. The Browns are not even a playoff team if the wheels fall off, and with everyone else keeping pace, one of the 3-1 teams will have to miss the playoffs this year. One of the strengths that propelled the 2020 Browns to a better record than the 2019 Browns was improvements to the O-Line as a group and 2 keys to that group were the usages of Kendall Lamm, and Chris Hubbard, in 2020 vs. previously. Subsequently, Kendall Lamm left the Browns to join the Titans, and now Chris Hubbard, though not in use yet, has become unavailable for the entire 2021 season. I don't think, the Browns are talent level Super Bowl favorites with an offensive line that keeps taking talent level hits. Plus, I stand by saying where Chris Hubbard goes, the good offense goes, meaning the passing game. So losing Hubbard for a year impacting the Browns abilities in the passing game, would be a hit to the Browns success.
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Lol, had to share this: Ricardo Louis is still playing pro football. He just caught a TD for the Saskatchewan Roughriders, if anyone cares. This is a good CFL game, a barn burner on the Prairies against Calgary.
Gotta give him props for hanging in. I like the CFL. I wish it was like days of old when ESPN aired a few CFL games a week. It's a solid, entertaining brand of football imo.
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I just want to say Baker is our quarterback, I remember the good plays he had last week, and in the Giants game, to overcome those 10 yard penalties in one snap, like usual, and we all take for Granted. And Mayfield is our Quarterback and we all support him.
and as Leslie Neilson would say. "I just want to say good luck! we're all counting on you." Nothing like a 41 year old movie reference.
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Interesting that two career back-up players would determine the season for the Browns????
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Yet how odd it is that he would be the best, by far, replacement to take over with Wills injury.
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Uh oh. MLB News Network @newsnetworkmlb Paul DePodesta is seen as the lead candidate for the #Mets GM vacancy. MLB News Network @newsnetworkmlb DePodesta is also seen as a candidate for the #Mets president of baseball operation opening. John Daniels is another candidate for that vacancy. https://twitter.com/newsnetworkmlb/status/1447206747542786050
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