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No actually #1 the statements that have been made are lies whether he says they are his opinion or not. If I say that the sky is purple, and I know that it's blue it then becomes a lie not opinion. He knows that he has zero chance of ever proving most of what he is has said. So opinion is fine lies are quite another. And at least granted it would at least led some honesty to it if he said it was his opinion but I am pretty sure it has crossed the line from opinion to the LIE thing.
And I did not call anybody a liar I simply agreed with him when he called himself a liar...
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Daman I'll tell you what you call it a LIE, it's just that simple. LIE! LIE! LIE!
No,,, Peen is not a liar,,, in my opinion, he's mistaken about this issue, but don't ever call Peen a liar.. he's not.. and that kinda talk could get you banned from this board man,,, so clean it up will ya.
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I get a bit carried away at times I will admit but I have seen this kind of crap for way way to long. I don't want to offend anyone, and I honest to God believe that Peen thinks he is right saying what he says but he isn't, and this subject crossed the line a long long time ago with me, at least. I read a lot of posts that I know aren't truthful in any sense of the word. But this subject just strikes a nerve with me, and has for some time now. If you want to make stuff up about someone or something I take offense to it, because by my not addressing it for what it is I think somebody is trying to play me for a fool and well that gets the old blood boiling.
If I have said something to Peen that he takes offense to I am sorry, and perhaps I did take it to far, and there are many that got away with their untruths as well and that weren't dragged out to the light of day as well.
Sorry Peen, and peace to you bro, and as always Go Browns.
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Most of the guys that RAC wanted were very poor choices for starters, and he further proved that he lacked the wherewithal to make the right decisions in that regard by stubbornly standing by his choices long after it was time to make a change.
Let's ignore the fact that by the time the Superbowl was over and RAC got a chance to bring in assistant coaches the really good ones already had jobs, yet he still gets the ole "poor coaching choices" blame regardless.
Regarding MO, I think more than anything he didn't want a mid-season change. He probably knew how much that can disrupt and distract a team.He probably also knew very well that it wouldn't help. It didn't.
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My point is that there's been far too much evidence to support the belief that he's not that good of a HC. Suddenly, we're 5-3, having beaten exactly ONE good team, and now people who've said RAC is a good coach have been proven correct?
Please.
It's popular around here to say that things take time. Go with the theory that you can't judge anything because of short-term results, yet in a very brief stretch against EXTREMELY inferior teams, we now can prove that RAC is a good coach, and that all his mistakes over the past couple of years are washed away? Sorry, not happening. Can't have it both ways.
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Take a look around. Is the media talking more about RAC or more about Chud? Are the good things we're seeing because of RAC, or because of the moves that Opie has made?
So which is it?
We've "beaten exactly ONE good team" and we've played "against EXTREMELY inferior teams" which proves nothing of the strengths and abilities of RAC.
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I get a bit carried away at times I will admit but I have seen this kind of crap for way way to long.
We all get carried away at times,, me included,, but you say you have seen this crap for way too long, heck man, you have only been signed up to this board since July that's really not all that long to be honest...
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I don't want to offend anyone, and I honest to God believe that Peen thinks he is right saying what he says but he isn't, and this subject crossed the line a long long time ago with me, at least.
Now see, here's the problem, if you believe,, Honest to God, as you put it, that Peen thinks he's right,,, then why call him a liar... see what I'm getting at here....
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because by my not addressing it for what it is I think somebody is trying to play me for a fool and well that gets the old blood boiling.
I hear ya there.. it's frustrating to think that someone is basically saying things that they can't, in a million years, back up.. But to me, as long as it's just clearly thier opinion, I don't have a problem with it,, to be honest, neither should you... it's when they state things as fact that I take exception to the comments... but only then....
As for Peen... Look, there isn't a soul on this board that doesn't know that Peen doesn't care for RAC... and so when things go bad, Peen expresses his frustrations against RAC... when things are going well, he backs off of it a little but still makes little remarks that clearly show his true thinking... but that's just our Peen..... one thing I can promise you... Peen is NOT a liar....
He merely says what he thinks,,, feel free to disagree with him,,, I DO all the time,,,, 
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I was a long time poster to the Browns board and believe me I saw a ton of this crap. So yeah I haven't been on this board but this is the same crap. Peen made stuff up, that is clear and factual, you call it what you want, I do.
I don't want to hurt anyones feelings, and I honestly didn't set out to do that to Peen, he jumped into the fray by his own accord and sorry to say I jumped on him with both feet, as I said before enough is enough. I was banned from the Browns board for this very subject so it grates me the wrong way. Opinion is fine stating that it is fact or the ever present, everybody knows, or your naive to belive otherwise to the side, enough of the untruths have been told. You want to express your opinion and use fact to back it, I will agree, or just opinion I can live with, although people hide behind that one to try to make a point that is based on a lie, and that isn't cool either. Make a point use soemthing to back it, you got me but this debate as you know has gone on for quite some time, and still the lies keep coming, and I have heard them all, I think.
Again Peen sorry dude you just happened to be the guy who stepped in front of the bullet, we have no history, and I KNOW you are a great Browns fan, again peace Bro..
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I don't want to hurt anyones feelings, and I honestly didn't set out to do that to Peen, he jumped into the fray by his own accord and sorry to say I jumped on him with both feet,
Trust me.....my feelings weren't hurt and if that was with both feet, then you must be pretty light.
You can think what you want. It doesn't matter to me if you want to know the score or not.
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Even if I could name every single one, do you honestly believe we could determine if it was the coordinator or not?
Not asking U to go back to the future  The point is it's been specified that Rac is a Bellyache clone..meaning he lets his coordinators run the plays ...while he may imput on certain calls they run the stuff... Now where I have a issue is if they aren't getting it done, then he does either need to tell them what he wants done or step in and run it.. He himself wasn't going to can Mo midseason even if the right call was to do so..throwing those challenge flags apparantly is coming from some clown upstairs who needs to stay quiet..
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I think you and others are correct in that assessment.
The problem is Bill evolved into that and got that way once he knew the plan and was confident the plan was sound. I don't think he was that way here in Cleveland or even the early years in NE.
It also has to be noted that possibly not everyone is as good an assistant as RAC was. RAC strikes me as the type who is going to run things exactly as prescribed by the head coach.
My point is it is probably a little foolish for a "new coach" to coach his team like the guy who has just won multiple Super Bowls.
For me, to sum up RACs biggest flaw as I see it.....he trusts his people too much.....or maybe that could be described as is too loyal to his people.
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For me, to sum up RACs biggest flaw as I see it.....he trusts his people too much.....or maybe that could be described as is too loyal to his people.
I agree with that, but at the same time, think it helps him in the locker room. I think his players see it, know it, and love it.
RAC seems to have confidence in the people around him, and trusts them to get the job done. It can be good, it can be bad, and I think both the good and the bad can be seen under RAC's tenure.
IMO, at this point in time, the present good of having a team playing hard and together outweighs the past bad of sticking with people too long. Winning cures a lot of things, and I think RAC's leadership is a big part of the winning.
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I agree with that, but at the same time, think it helps him in the locker room. I think his players see it, know it, and love it.
I don't doubt that.
I don't have any statistic to post or anything like that....it is just a general impression......but it seems 'player" coaches in the pro's don't do as well as "totalitarians".... or whatever you want to call it...I don't care how some might want to paint Belicheck.....but he isn't a player coach....he has his thumb on everything.
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I think I'm also very close in that Rac is a old school guy who doesn't like to meddle in things...he'd rather let the guys under him run things..but is hesitant to overrule them...
How long did many think he actually was handcuffing the defense by the base and conservative schemes?
Now that it's been exposed that HE likes aggessive schemes and it's TG that is running the base stuff...
It would seem to me that people would have looked at how the NE schemes were run and then question how the Browns schemes were ..
Seems Rac drew up how he wanted his D ran and let Grantham scheme it..
Now lately they have played better although we're still getting torched by a lack of pass rush and the blitzing is just AWFUL...
No confusion..no jumping around..no blitzes up the gut..no stunts...thats not Rac..
Now have I ever said he's the right guy..nope still not sure....I'm giving the guy a chance..he's not a power hungry jerk that Botch was...
He's growing into the position and I know guys may not want growth but INSTANT results..
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AD once again you raise some good points, and they are actually pretty reasonable possiblities. RAC does appear to leave the OC and the DC to do their jobs. I will also agree that he does in fact need to become more involved when the plan being used doesn't reflect what he wants as a HC, and especially so when it comes to the defense. I think he is very invovled at this stage with the defense, and I think he will stay engaged in what is going on with that unit. If what we all saw in St Louis is a indicator anyway.
I also think that Eotab made a good point about RAC wanting a more agressive defense (we all do) but that TG, has a more conservative approach. And perhaps thats where the trouble begins. Last season we basicly ran the defense we have had in the 2nd half of both of our last 2 games. And while I like to call it slow death, it does put a stop to the over the top stuff, and has to this point given up large yardages, but no TD's. The point that Eotab made though was perhaps TG wasn't effective at teaching this kind of defense because of his conservative nature and belief. Thats said I think RAC does need to get involved I think it's important, and i actually think that RAC is a top of the heep defensive guy, so you just can't believe that inspite of his desire to have TG run the D that he will stand by and watch this team get eatin alive becuase of the poor play of the defense. To me RAC if he wasn't is fully involved at this point, and he is the guy that I am counting on to get the very best from the limited talent we have on the defense. We do have talent issues on that side of the ball, I think we can all agree to that. And perhaps there really isn't much that can be doen to right that unit given the limitations of the talent we have.
I actually agreed with the idea that SS was playing out of position he needs to be moved to the nose, he is clearly our best option at that position, you IMHO were spot on here. As for the balance of the squad I would hope that we do whatever it is we can do best thru the rest of the season, and hope for better talent to come in the off season. We all knew that the defense wasn't likely to improve much, so while I am disappointed on the one hand on the other I think we all knew it wasn't likley to be good enough, and hell it isn't. I just hope that RAC can help with some of the preasure packages, and that we don't give up more TD's then we can score.
At the end of the day that may be the best we can hope for!!!
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Why do people need to read it again? I read it once, and that was good enough, this is a different thread if I wanted to respond to the other one I would have. I'm not letting Grantham to be held unaccountable for the D this season, but I already addressed this earlier. We could keeep rehashing our comments over and over, but I don't see the point. The fact is we'll know more come the end of the year, this is all speculation, and it's wild how far some of you are willing to go with this issue. It will play out and we'll know if RAC is the guy or not, I doubt he'll be the one to take us to the Super Bowl, I hope I'm wrong, but the odds are against him.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d803f84ea&template=with-video&confirm=trueWhat to watch for in the season's second half By Pat Kirwan | NFL.com There is now enough information to ... 1. Extend the contract of Romeo Crennel. The Browns are headed in the right direction and they don't need to get this wrong. Sure, Crennel has time left on his deal, but he also entered the preseason as the odds-on favorite to not be there in 2008. The players play hard for him and they respect him; it's time to make a statement in Cleveland.
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Attack, I read your post about Grantham and how he is part of the problem... I do agree with it but I think where RAC is at fault with this situation is IF he continues to have TG run the defense and stand idly by while the offense tries to bail us out every game... I saw him SPECIFICALLY call the defensive stand in the last game on the 4th down stop during OT... If we have a lame duck DC, then it is RAC's job to cut his loss and get the right guy in there... it is obvious he sees it but is not stepping in and fixing the main problem really helping the team?
Guaranteed the QA inspector at the Ford Plant won't watch a man screw up the bumpers on the 2007 F-150's week after week and say to himself, "ya know, this guy does a crappy job but I don't want to fire him until the 2008 model's role off the line."
There are a BUNCH of things RAC is doing right this year and there are things that he still needs to work on... I am not convinced yet that he is the one but I do see hints that give me optimism...
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Purp,, I think you know which side of the RAC thing I come down on, But I don't agree with Kirwan on this one.. He has, I believe 2 more years on his deal. I LOVE what he's done with what Phil has given him to work with.. But I wanna see what happens when some of the success gets into thier heads..
If RAC can control the tempeture of the team on the way up and keep them focused as it appears he's been doing, then yeah,, next season,, I'd extend his contract..without a doubt,, but this time next year, all the answers will be in..
When you think about it, that's good for RAC and it's good for the Browns.. Good for the Browns because we can actually wait and see if it really works out before commiting to him longer and it's good for RAC also because if it goes to Mid Season next year and the thought is to extend him, he's gonna get bigger bucks..and he'll have earned it..
So for all parties concerned,, leave it alone till this time next year... But that's JMO!
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If one were to take everything assumed in the situation at face value, we still don't have enough to truly form a usable opinion. For all we know RAC indeed sees the problem, but is trying to coach up and teach Grantham befor etossing him aside. It could well be that Grantham does enough of all the other things well enough to make him valuable, but this is an area where he really needs help and work. It could be as simple as them seeing enough there that it is well worth the time to try to work with the guy... which also means that it isn't as simple as looking at it and declaring him a lame duck DC that needs to be tossed aside. It is what good management and leadership does. You only give up on a person when it is proven there is no point in continuing with them, unless you have someone else ready to plug in that is known & proven to be a better solution. As always, we can only sit on the side and guess at what is really happening, but even then we are guessing with only being able to see half of the picture. Well know more in early February after we win the (highest scoring by both teams, ever) Super Bowl 
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Not hard to see..is Grantham Rac's guy as U imply? Or was abother DC (Mangini) wanted here but given a new deal to keep him in the Jets fold????
Now TG was brought in because of his familarity of the 34...
No, RAC just decides to stick with a guy and then turns around and does a 180 degree turn mid season right?
(remember Mo?)
If you guys won't admit who's really calling the shots at this juncture, have at it. The writing is on the wall. Mo gets the boot, Chud takes over with Steinbach and a rookie at LT and BAM we're scoring 27 points a game. Yep, it's all RAC!
Thank God we have one of the brightest young GM's in the NFL. You guys wanna play denial. have at it.
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So which is it?
We've "beaten exactly ONE good team" and we've played "against EXTREMELY inferior teams" which proves nothing of the strengths and abilities of RAC.
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Are there really "good things we're seeing" that can be attributed to Chud and/or Opie?
"Can't have it both ways."
Sorry 'Dub, but I missed that one completely.
Dumb it down for a dummy like me and try again
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I am the type of guy that doesn't have the patience to give someone a "wait and see" approach for 3 seasons... I look at it this way, surely IF TG is responsible for all of the things Willie McG says he is (and I am not disputing his comments as he knows far more about it all than I) why would a HC HOPE that the guy gets it and give him so much time? Maybe it comes down to RAC finally feeling that we have just enough talent to show a slight improvement with?
The answer lies somewhere in between I know... I don't blame RAC for the sucky defense but I do blame him if he stands idlely by and HOPES for the light to come on with Todd all the while we continue to struggle on that side of the ball...
RAC is not an offensive coach and that is fine but with his background in defense, he needs to assert himself more often...
Until that happens, we will look lik ethe 2006 NY Jets and NONE of us want that to happen!
I HATE to say this but Pitt is going to SHRED this defense and the only PRAYER we have in this next game is for us to score more than we give up... We have ZERO pass rush and we cannot man up against avg. O-Lines much less an elite one like Pitt. has...
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Phil also brought in Derek Anderson...
Stupid Ravens...what were they thinking? 
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And 'Dub, I remember that we didn't get our first choice in coordinators, so we ended up with Mo. Many teams don't get their 1st choice in most positions.
That's how we ended up with RAC in the first place
I'd find it hard to believe that Ben Coates, being the disruptive force that he was, ended up as a guy who was our 2nd or 3rd choice.
My point in this regard is that you rarely get the exact person you want, whether that's a GM (we wanted Pioli instead of Opie, right? ) or a player (like Ryans instead of Jackson). I don't like that as an excuse. It doesn't change the fact that decisions made surrounding any given individual were wrong. As Attack alluded to, Mo was a mistake. Did firing Mo help? No, it didn't, at least not on the field. That doesn't change the fact that firing Mo was the right thing to do, and that waiting as long as we did wasn't the right thing to do. What it DID do was promote Davidson. So did he help the offense? No. Did it give us the ability to evaluate him and determine that he wasn't the right guy for the job? Absolutely. So instead of having him here now, we have Chud
So.....are you confused yet bro? *L* I know I sure am, hehehe.
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So you are basically saying that you wish we had Mo right now instead of Chud?? 
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I saw it before AD, some of it I agree with and some I do not. To the point about the corrections to be made in terms of where to line up and the tackling issue I think we have in fact made progress in this area given the numbers from the past 2 games that is. I trust my eyes as well and the tackling IMHO is way better then it was earlier, and in fact is pretty solid based again on the past 2 games. I am satisfied that the coaches have indeed worked the problem and it either has been solved or is well on it's way to being solved.
RAC's no dummy and he can pretty much look things over and tell what and where we need to improve. I think he has gottin more involved but at this point what has worked for this defense has been the same defense we basicly ran last year, rush 3 sometimes 4 and drop everyone into coverage. We yeaild quite a bit of yardage with this D but not many points, so if that is the best we can do with what we have then I am Ok with it.
But let me ask you a question, are you saying that our problem isn't talent related? Because I think it is, more so then just well it's the coach. I agree however I don't think it's 100% talent and SJ would be a strong example with BR he was great without him he is underachieving given his talent. I don't believe its because the coaches aren't working with him on it, but at some point the player has to apply himself and DO HIS JOB. Be where he is suppose to be, and take care of his responsiblity, I sense that RAC is frustrated with that aspect of the defense. So is it TG, is it the players or is it lack of talent, most likely it is a bit of all 3. I don't want to point a finger at anyone, and won't thats for other to do but I think RAC is pointing the finger at the players, not the coach.
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So you are basically saying that you wish we had Mo right now instead of Chud??
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So which is it?
We've "beaten exactly ONE good team" and we've played "against EXTREMELY inferior teams" which proves nothing of the strengths and abilities of RAC.
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Are there really "good things we're seeing" that can be attributed to Chud and/or Opie?
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Sorry 'Dub, but I missed that one completely.
Dumb it down for a dummy like me and try again .
Ok.
The first quotes make it sound like we haven't done squat so because of that RAC deserves no credit.
Then, the second quotes make it sound like we are seeing some really good things and that it can likely be attributed to Chud and Opie.
My point: (besides the one on the top of my head  ), is that if we haven't done squat then Chud and Opie get no accolades either, but if we have done some good things RAC deserves an equal amount of that credit as well.
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So.....are you confused yet bro? *L* I know I sure am, hehehe.
Well, that was one teriffic knot you tied there, but by the end it made some sense. 
But it doesn't fit my thinking very well.
I think RAC was in favor of stability during the season. Firing coaches mid-seaon is a distraction and I doubt he really wanted that. Also, I wonder if Davidson was ever really in the running for our OC. He may have been promoted to Assistant HC to keep him here in case the MO thing ended as it did.
As it did end, for the life of me, I can't understand why the thinking is by so many that RAC had nothing to do with, or no say in the matter of MO's departure. Is it because it didn't happen sooner? That just because it didn't happen sooner that RAC did not have the desire or couldn't pull the trigger so it had to be pulled for him? Who is to say that it wasn't a case of RAC f putting up with it as long as he could and finally did the firing himself and covered for MO by calling it a resignation?
In the one article that PDawg posted it seems to me that RAC has no fear of making his opinion known. It mentions a compromise on one issue. He stood up to the owner as he had Phil's back in the Savage/Collins fiasco. Why do so many take RAC as a pushover, a dummy, a "figure-head" HC and allow him no credit for the state of the team?
I know you are not quite saying all these things, but I have to state that I can't and won't believe that any NFL team has ever run it's organization with a total incompetent for a HC while all those around him from the GM to the OC are covering for his character defects and lack of ability to make a quality decision regarding the team.
RAC has been said to not have the ability to handle his players, BE in particular, and he lacks the balls to take charge of them as a HC should.
It has been said that he makes many game-time errors but I believe most of that is after-the-fact opinion as I rack my brains trying to think of an instance where he gave away a time-out we later desparately needed, mismanaged the clock in such a manner to have cost us a win, or any other mistake that laid a defeat on the fault of his decision to do this or not do that.
Over and over we hear from fans how RAC has no skills in managing his own coaches, (the current one being Grantham), and again, like with his players, he lacks the balls to take charge and make changes.
Right now it is being suggested that he doesn't even realize that the defense sucks and is making no moves to rectify the situation. That he is merely allowing it to go unchecked because he doen't know what to do or is afraid to communicate his idea to his DC.
His personality has been called into question many time citing that he lacks fire because he is usually calm even though the fans are in a lunitic frenzy.
His coaching is in constant question as many feel he knows absolutely nothing about offense, that Belichick covered his ass in N.E. and he can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear with the defense here in Cleveland. That he just stands by watching it all topple before his very eyes and hasn't a clue what to do with it.
He still takes a ton of crap for starting Charlie Frye over DA while all through training camp the media, (who confided to us that the organization wanted DA to win the job), told us over and over that DA was just not getting it done and we saw for ourselves, with our own eyes that he was not getting it done. Who among us saw DA in the preseason and come to the conclusion that he would explode into the gun slinger he has currently become? Yet, RAC is called an idiot for naming Frye the starter "for that game". RAC said it was only for one game at a time when he did it. Did no one pick up on that?
As I said, I don't believe for one minute that any NFL team in the history of the league has ever had a HC who was as incompetent as many claim RAC to be and simply covered for him in every aspect of the organization. How in the hell can a team even be a team with a complete idiot at the controls? And how in the hell can an organization take all the controls away from a HC and still keep him on? Because the players like him? That's crap. The players would not like him if he were such an idiot. Who thinks the players could not see through that if it were truely the case? They've all played for good HC's. Anyone as incompetent as RAC is declaired to be would stand out like a sore thumb as a bumbling fool. I find it hard pressed to believe that players would like, play hard and follow a coach like that.
I'm not saying RAC does not make mistakes. But absolutely no one on the planet Earth makes that abundance of mistakes, lacks the ability to make a good decision, has no guts to stand up for himself, no idea of what to do with his authority and basically bumbles through the day allowing everyone else to cover for his defects and keeps his job. Especially on an NFL team.
And as I watch him in his press conferences and see his calm and confident demeanor I have to think that if what so many say is going on is really happening, then he is far, far less a man even than anyone paints him to be. For any man who could allow himself to be played for such a patsy, a weakling, a boob and a doormat and still face his public directly without batting an eyelash is no man at all in any sense or definition of the meaning. He would be the laughing stock of the entire NFL community as something so outrageously glaring as that could not be kept behind closed doors this long.
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Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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My point: (besides the one on the top of my head ), is that if we haven't done squat then Chud and Opie get no accolades either, but if we have done some good things RAC deserves an equal amount of that credit as well.
He deserves some credit......no problem there.....but not equal.
Savage and Chud are the ones mostly responsible for the turnaround on O outside any of the players.
I honestly don't think RAC has much to do with the O at all.
And lets face it...the turn around this season is because of the offense. It has nothing to do with the D or some overall brilliant scheme the head coach devised.
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I honestly don't think RAC has much to do with the O at all.
So RAC doesn't evaluate the opposition's defense and help Chud see it's strengths and weaknesses, as well as the possible mismatches, to aid in the game plan that Chud draws up for that opponent?
No, RAC just stands back sheepishly with his head down poking at the ground with his toe and says, "Duh, I'm sorry, I don't know very much about offense so I can't help you much today. I'm gonna go get a donut. You want one?"
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No, RAC just stands back sheepishly with his head down poking at the ground with his toe and says, "Duh, I'm sorry, I don't know very much about offense so I can't help you much today. I'm gonna go get a donut. You want one?"
If you say so....I didn't think the problem was that deep.
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But sometimes, I think you and some others try to portray it as that deep. I'd also like to point out that not only does RAC not help his OC, neither does he watch film on the opposing offense, (after all, what does he know about offense?), to help his DC regarding whom to game plan for and how best to stop their attack and their playmakers. He does none of that. And even though he was a special teams coach himself, he does nothing to help his special teams coach prepare for the opposition. I'm tellin' ya. The guy is worthless. All he does is give press conferences which don't really tell anyone anything. On a side note of interest, Phil Savage ties his shoes for him because he's never mastered the art of shoelace knots. The last time he tried it on his own he got his finger stuck in the knot and couldn't get out of his chair for three hours. Honestly, that's how some of you make him out to be. He just stands there on the sidelins too ignorant to see that he has nothing to do with any of it.
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So why is that after week 1 it was ALL RAC's fault when we did bad? Now that we see improvement RAC has NOTHING to do with it?
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And Pit didn't show up until he found a device to explain away why RAC has no part in the team's improvement. Namely, that everyone else bails out RAC and his incompetence.
For some reason the FO keeps RAC on as a head coach even though they have to jump through hoops to make up for his deficiencies. We've got everyone in the organization covering his ass but still, for some odd reason, they keep him here as the head coach.
Many teams in the NFL do this. The head coach is not necessary in todays NFL. His job is nothing more than a figure on the sideline that may soon be replaced by a bobble-headed manikin. The more expensive models will have "action arms" that will signal "TD" for a score and throw down a clipboard when something goes wrong. (Of course, throwing the switch for either of these movements will be handled by one of the coordinators since they have so much free time on their hands).
That is why having a horribly incompetent head coach can still result in improvement. That and all the other coaches are so much better than all the other coaches that they can do thier own job and still have some time left over to handle situational head coaching duties.
Life is good for RAC. He eats, he sleeps, he gets to watch the game from the sidelines.
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