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Edit: Players are exposed to people outside the facility, so who's to say where they got it from. Asking for NFL numbers is therefore a rather specious argument.

common sense / deductive reasoning / logic / math / science

If 100% of the Browns players who have covid are vaccinated how do you think that spread?


baby Jesus?

Omicron more likely to reinfect than Delta, no milder -study

Dec 17 (Reuters) - The risk of reinfection with the Omicron coronavirus variant is more than five times higher and it has shown no sign of being milder than Delta, a study showed, as cases soar across Europe and threaten year-end festivities.

The results of the study by Imperial College London were based on UK Health Security Agency and National Health Service data on people who tested positive for COVID-19 in a PCR test in England between Nov. 29 and Dec. 11.

"We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta," the study said, although it added that data on hospitalisations remains very limited.

"Controlling for vaccine status, age, sex, ethnicity, asymptomatic status, region and specimen date, Omicron was associated with a 5.4-fold higher risk of reinfection compared with Delta," the study, which was dated Dec. 16, added.

The protection afforded by past infection against reinfection with Omicron may be as low as 19%, Imperial College (ICL) said in a statement, noting that the study had not yet been peer reviewed.

The researchers found a significantly increased risk of developing a symptomatic Omicron case compared to Delta for those who were two or more weeks past their second vaccine dose, and two or more weeks past their booster dose.

The study involved AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines.

Depending on the estimates used for vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection from the Delta variant, this translates into vaccine effectiveness of between 0% and 20% after two doses, and between 55% and 80% after a booster dose.

"This study provides further evidence of the very substantial extent to which Omicron can evade prior immunity given by both infection or vaccination," study lead Professor Neil Ferguson said in ICL's statement.

"This level of immune evasion means that Omicron poses a major, imminent threat to public health."

TOO EARLY?

But Dr Clive Dix, former Chair of the UK Vaccine Taskforce, said it was important not to overinterpret the data.

"The conclusions made are based on making assumptions about Omicron where we still don't have sufficient data," Dr Dix said. "For example, we have no data on the cellular immune response which is now probably driving effectiveness of vaccines."

"This is a crucial missing assumption in the modelling."

Some of the conclusions are different to the data emerging from South Africa, where vaccines are holding up well against severe disease and death at present, he said.

"There is a huge amount of uncertainty in these modelled estimates and we can only be confident about the impact of boosters against Omicron when we have another month of real-world data on hospitalisation ICU numbers and deaths," he said.

An earlier study by Britain's SIREN looking at reinfection risk in health workers, which was carried out before Omicron emerged, found that a first coronavirus infection offered 85% protection from a second for the following six months.

The data analysed by Imperial College was based on 333,000 cases, including 122,062 of Delta and 1,846 which were confirmed as the Omicron coronavirus variant through genome sequencing.

Imperial College's Professor Azra Ghani, who co-led the study, described it as "essential for modelling the likely future trajectory of the Omicron wave and the potential impact of vaccination and other public health interventions."

The new findings could accelerate the imposition of tighter restrictions across a number of European countries in a bid to stem the new variant's spread.

https://www.reuters.com/business/he...infect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/

There seems to be discrepancies between these studies.

I just decided to climb in the mud puddle with him.

Which is exactly the argument Super presented.


I just decided to climb in the mud puddle with him.

No, vaccinated people are not ‘just as infectious’ as unvaccinated people if they get COVID

Once infected, vaccinated people seem to transmit COVID similarly to unvaccinated people

Don’t remind me.

Mine decided she wanted to visit between Christmas and New Years. I thought about canceling my time off.

Lucky you, my 86 yr old MIL moved in with us this year.

Lucky you, my 86 yr old MIL moved in with us this year.

Lucky you, my 86 yr old MIL moved in with us this year.

There is no telling where they got the virus. In the facility, maybe stopping for gas, a family member or friend.

That is why all the testing we see seems a bit pointless. I can see if you think you have it, but testing is useless for anything past the time the testing sample was taken. You can catch it any number of ways 30 minutes after being tested.

That's not what the CDC says. Nowhere have they ever said if you have been exposed to Covid and are vaccinated not to quarantine, while if you aren't vaccinated you need to quarantine.

I stand corrected and that's pretty stupid.

That's not what the CDC says. Nowhere have they ever said if you have been exposed to Covid and are vaccinated not to quarantine, while if you aren't vaccinated you need to quarantine.

And Peen, that's what testing is for. Because if you have it, you need to quarantine so as not to spread it. At that point it has nothing to do with where you got it. Just that you don't walk around spreading it.

They also want to know who you may have exposed to the virus so they too can be tested.

Spelled out in black and white, with bold letters for NO NEED to quarantine for vaccinated.







Gold star system of healthcare.

Just to be specific, it says, “You do NOT need to quarantine unless they have symptoms”. It's completely unclear rather this text means, “they”, the person with Covid-19 that the fully vaccinated were exposed to, or the person who was exposed. Assuming it's the vaccinated person that we need to have symptoms before quarantining, do they then wait 3-5 days before getting tested? Or if it's the other person with Covid-19, how are we supposed to know if they have symptoms unless they live with us, or we know them well enough to talk about it? If it's a stranger, what do you do?

Whoever wrote this info sheet for the CDC has issues getting the point across clearly. NOT Gold star system of healthcare education.

I'm sorry that you never heard of breakthrough cases and that measures should be taken to try and prevent those too.

I think the powers that be (Administration/Big Business) have decided to just stop trying to protect people and let this variant run it's course basically unhampered. If they don't topple our healthcare system this winter, I'll be amazed. We might be better off with the vaccinated numbers growing, but I wonder how many more PREVENTABLE death's we'll see this winter? I think it's going to be bad.

Fully vaccinated people 4 times less likely to contract COVID-19, 14 times less likely to be hospitalized

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/fu...14-times-less-likely-to-be-hospitalized/

Wood County Health Department data shows vaccinated residents are four times less likely to get COVID-19

https://www.wtol.com/article/news/l...512-d2f65eb7-c9f3-4fb1-91b3-45c8c805e634

New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1029-Vaccination-Offers-Higher-Protection.html

Mmmm hmmmm....